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20 Aug, 2007

Thompson has issues with BioShock advertising

360 News | Advertising in the wrong timeslot.
Jack Thompson, the controversial Miami attorney gunning for G-rated games, has set his sights on the BioShock advertising that aired in the US during WWE Smackdown. What started out as a single post on GamePolitics has turned into a complaint mailed to the Federal Trade Commission.

Thompson claims that as the advertising screened in a teen-demographic heavy timeslot, Take Two is guilty of deliberately marketing mature games to underage players. Talking of the timeslot, Thompson said, "A check of the demographics of the audience of that program reveals that teens under 17 years of age watch that program in huge numbers…"

He continued, "Remarkably, the video game industry is running ads for games like BioShock on teen-intensive television programs while at the same time its industry-captured 'watchdog,' the ESRB, is running a self-congratulatory ad campaign to assure parents that the video game ratings system is working and that the industry can be trusted not to target their kids with these Mature-rated games. It is all a lie, as the BioShock ads prove."

Drawing a link between this action and the behaviours of the tobacco industry, he then used the occurrence to show why he believes the current rating system isn't working. Explaining, he said, "This rampant fraudulent trade practice is precisely what 'Big Tobacco' did with its 'Joe Camel' and other teen-targeting ads, while at the same time lying to Congress that it was not marketing its adult product to kids."

So far, despite Thompson's blustering, it appears to be much ado about nothing. However, given the emotionally confronting violence in BioShock and the easily misinterpreted role of Little Sisters within the game, it remains to be seen whether he'll take things further, possibly trying to turn it into another Grand Theft Auto.

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44 Comments
4 years ago
If gamers are meant to kill than why is Jack Thompson still alive. Enough said really
4 years ago
Here here, Sylar.

Also, I move that PALGN and all other gaming publications hereby not post news about this douche anymore.

The only way to stop him is to ignore him.
4 years ago
Why can't we just compromise?

Why can't we just say 'Thompson has issues' and leave it at that?
4 years ago
Nick wrote
Here here, Sylar.

Also, I move that PALGN and all other gaming publications hereby not post news about this douche anymore.

The only way to stop him is to ignore him.
Exactly! Man the last time this idiot said something I said exactly the same thing!

Stop reporting on this moron and he'll go away!
4 years ago
ugh the boot wrote
Exactly! Man the last time this idiot said something I said exactly the same thing!

Stop reporting on this moron and he'll go away!
He's the Paris Hilton of the gaming world. These stories rate, so we'll keep hearing of them until someone takes a stand.
4 years ago
I can't believe this knob is actually tryin to compare the game industry with the tobacco inustry!
Someone please do us all a favour and butcher this moron.
4 years ago
I think what someone needs to do is buy a "Sniper Rifle" and i think we all know what to do with that on him icon_smile.gif haha. This would solve a lot of problems imo.
4 years ago
Well I guess since he cant go after Rockstar anymore he has decided to go after their parent company on another matter. FFS like that idiot "analyst" in the loose term that gameindustry.biz give press to, why don't people just ignore Thompson already. When he gets the press he gets what he wants, his name out there.
4 years ago
Sylar wrote
I think what someone needs to do is buy a "Sniper Rifle" and i think we all know what to do with that on him icon_smile.gif haha. This would solve a lot of problems imo.
*sigh* It's comments like yours that ensure Jack Thompson continues to feel justified in his crusade against the industry and its customers.
4 years ago
Spanca wrote
Sylar wrote
I think what someone needs to do is buy a "Sniper Rifle" and i think we all know what to do with that on him icon_smile.gif haha. This would solve a lot of problems imo.
*sigh* It's comments like yours that ensure Jack Thompson continues to feel justified in his crusade against the industry and its customers.
Well i don't think he could make comments like theses if he caught a bullet to the head haha. Take it easy hehe i am not being serious icon_wink.gif
4 years ago
So he's got a problem with computer games promoting violence to kids, but there's nothing wrong with kids watching wrestling which is just glorified violence for the sake of violence? Yer, he's definatally a candidate for the nuthouse.
4 years ago
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Thompson has issues with BioShock advertising
I have issues with Jack Thompson's FACE.
(yeah, i'm tired.)

EDIT: now that i've actually read the article, he does have a point, almost.

if the ESRB are running a campaign claiming they're doing the right thing regarding videogame advertising, but in reality are using a show with a proven demographic where the opposite is true (even if that show is a double standard in itself) then his point is valid.

however, i think he has to prove that the actual demographic of wrestling is the targeted demographic. just because teens are the main demographic, doesn't mean that it's suitable for them. i suppose the other advertising that airs during these programs would be the best indicator.

i suppose even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.
4 years ago
It was advertised during Smackdown. Am I the only one not seeing a real problem here?
4 years ago
I was thinking along the lines of obsolete, but it depends on the definition of 'teenager', and what the rating is.

EDIT: The Plus to Obs was in relation to his edit, in case anyone thinks I have a problem with Jack Thompson's face.
4 years ago
I just love how it is never good enough for these crusaders. I would like to see Mr Thompson personally sit down with every game made and play them through to the end, finding all unlockables and secret areas and making an unbiased (yeah right) finding on what each game should be rated. Concerned old farts like this would not get past the first stage of any game and any self respecting gamer that they tried to employ to do this for them, would hopefully give them two large fingers.

I was hoping no one would ever uncover the link between games and smoking, from september 1 frogger will be banned in all pubs and clubs.
4 years ago
Cerebral wrote
It was advertised during Smackdown. Am I the only one not seeing a real problem here?
Yeah, no one would have seen the ad anyways.
4 years ago
Nice one, official new transformers movie hater. I vowed to never see it.

So will they be able to advertise wrestling games during the wrestling?
Oh you mean during the wrassling.
icon_rolleyes.gif

Wrestling is not a word that you should think about for to long.
4 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
EDIT: now that i've actually read the article, he does have a point, almost.

if the ESRB are running a campaign claiming they're doing the right thing regarding videogame advertising, but in reality are using a show with a proven demographic where the opposite is true (even if that show is a double standard in itself) then his point is valid.
Y' know, I thought I was going to be the only to to say this.

The wierdo actually has a point this time around. On one hand, the industry is fighting to show it's responcible (and doing a good job, the weak link in the chain is unscupulous retailers and ignorant parents) and here's a company doing, well, exactly what he says.
4 years ago
While he may have a point that the ESRB isn't doing its job, I think it is melodramatic to draw parallels between the tobacco industry and the video gaming industry. Games don't cause cancer.

On the flipside, we've got ads for alcohol/ads with sexual connotations during programs in the early evening (alcohol ads in particular during Friday Night Football, which is on at 7.30pm..). Really, Jack Thompson just needs some more perspective.
4 years ago
But you have to ask 'who's the target audience?' for the two shows?

AFL: Well, pretty much everyone, but if a poll was taken I'm sure the majority would be men between 20 and 50.

WWE: For the most part adolescent boys.

There's some corss over, there always is, but the cost of national television advertising, especialy for such a big draw as wrestling in America, suggests that the game was being pitched at under-aged kids.

If i found out GTA IV was being advertised in TV during after school kids TV I'd be straight on the phone to advertising standards, or whoever they are.
4 years ago
You know, Jack Thompson actually has a point for a change. I think my entire world view just imploded.

I do have a question though. Were R rated movies also advertised during that time slot? That would imply a problem with advertisement in general not being targeted correctly.
4 years ago
GooberMan wrote
I do have a question though. Were R rated movies also advertised during that time slot? That would imply a problem with advertisement in general not being targeted correctly.
Good point. I recall ads for Hostel being on during prime time shows.

MIkes, the target audience is irrelevant in the process, you can't have ads of that nature on at that time, regardless. Plus, I'm sure plenty of teenagers watch the NRL on Friday nights?..
4 years ago
Passa wrote
MIkes, the target audience is irrelevant in the process
No it's not. All anyone needs to ask is 'why did you advertise at taht time, knowing the demographic of the audience, when you could have advertised at any other time?'. It's a fair question, and unless they have a blanket advertising policy where they advertise on all channels randomly through the evening, they have little leeway in their answer.

And i agree, teenagers would watch afl and nrl on an evening, i said there's always corssover, but the audeince there primerily isn't children.
4 years ago
MIkes wrote
No it's not. All anyone needs to ask is 'why did you advertise at taht time, knowing the demographic of the audience, when you could have advertised at any other time?'. It's a fair question, and unless they have a blanket advertising policy where they advertise on all channels randomly through the evening, they have little leeway in their answer.
Yes, it is irrelevant. Showing anything that might be inappropriate at that time is wrong, regardless. Thats how the restrictions work, they don't allow for any room if the program being shown at the time has a demographic exclusive to 20 year olds or higher.

Not to mention - what happens if someone is channel surfing and comes across and inappropriate ad? The fact of the matter is, you can't have ads for MA15+ media (games or movies) at a time like 7.30, even if the show is America's Next Top Model or something.. it just doesn't work that way, therefore demographics are irrelevant in the process.
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