Big Brother's Krystal to appear in new Need for Speed

Cheers, Jim Dash.

Each and everyone one of us (whether a male or female) is at one point or another totally sexist. The trick as to realise when you're being a hateful jerk and keep it under wraps.

As for being like a woman, I take it you mean I'm capable of sustaining an intelligent thought - in which case, thanks again! And besides, you wouldn't believe how much women love it

Seriously I'm going to shut up now because I thought this thread might have blossomed into an interesting discussion about gender and gaming culture but now I realise it's just turned into me harping on like a crazy left-wing Germaine-Greer-person while a bunch of neanderthals grunt 'you is girly-man', and 'me have fun saying '****'!'

No fun for anyone

Apologies for derailing.

I'm actually not traumatised at all, friend. I'm just kind of tired of people like you, who fully live up to their own gender stereotype. I actually DO tolerate your opinion - being tolerant means putting up with it, and I do. It still kinda annoys me, though.

People like you spout sexist garbage and then hide behind the 'respect other people's opinions' defence. The truth is your opinion is ignorant and disgraceful.

The issues discussed in this thread are not really that dear to my heart, but since this is a forum I thought I might be able to discuss them with right-minded individuals - but then I forgot you frequent the boards, Ugh - you never met a ridiculous insult-filled argument you didn't like. I know I'm just feeding you and fuelling your little aggro-fire, but I don't much care.


Yeah mate, that's SO funny! I got called a woman! because there's nothing more crappy and pathetic than a woman, right? 'Classic' indeed. You're a testament to the age we live in, bravo.


You know, you're probably right about that. I wouldn't know for sure, but still - the idea still kinda bothers me. I mean, why can't we be better than that? I know guys like to stuff about and talk sh*t, but does it have to be so mean-spirited? I s'pose, away from the wider-community context, why can't posters on PALGN's forums be expected to refrain from really sexist language? Call Krystal from BB untalented, uncharismatic, whatever you like, but is there any need to call this woman we don't even know a sl*t or b*tch?

Okay, okay, I understand what you're saying and perhaps I should make my position clear.

I have no problem with people disliking Krystal for whatever reason. I, for instance, have no opinion of her as a person whatsoever, as I wouldn't know her from a bar of soap.

So I think it is okay for people to express dislike of a woman, but when they do so in the language of 'sl*t' and 'b*tch', without even knowing the person, it is difficult to argue that they are being anything other than misogynistic. These words, 'Sl*t' and 'b*tch' are quite obviously sexually-charged, and carry mean-spirited connotations.

For example, if somebody said that they didn't think she was very talented, or that they don't find her particularly attractive, or whatever, I would have no issue. The fact remains that some people who responded in this thread demonstrated, through their choice of language, that their views of women are quite offensive. I think it's very hard to argue with that.

And then, having noticed these people acting in this way, I lamented GENERALLY that there is a tendency within gaming culture and the wider-community to have offensive views on women.

Nobody is suggesting that women need to be defended. What I am proposing is tht people of both genders should think about the way they talk about the opposite sex - but in the context of GAMING, I think the proportion of men who talk offensively about women is higher than women who talk badly about men. That is pretty indisputable given the unfortunately-male-oriented nature of the games industry.


Yeah, but you do realise that you just went and said that women won't be offended by the word ****, and that they would be more offended by people 'defending' them, which is basically you pigeon-hole-ing all women for the sake of your own argument. I happen to know many women very close to me who would be offended by such words - there is no right answer.


I do NOT speak FOR women, I speak for ME. I am saying that talking about people that way offends ME.

I am not a sexist who thinks women need to be constantly protected - I am someone who dislikes gender-based denigration, or sexual orientation-based denigration...and the fact is that the wider-community, and definitely gaming culture, suffer from misogyny and homophobia.

For instance, I was called a woman earlier in this thread, and this was somehow meant to be really funny - but why the heck? Apparently I was 'acting like a woman' by expressing my views - THAT is sexist, and I was insulted - that somehow by giving my opinion I was 'less' of a man, or whatever.

I know many people just say these things in jest, or casually, but it just irks me - talk like this amongst friends in private, not on public forums where someone might be offended.

I do NOT suggest a BAN on any words like that, but I am saying that I dislike people using them. What's the saying? 'I dislike what you are saying but I will defend your right to say it'. Or something like that


All due respect, but I think you're blind. I am not suggesting that the problems with gaming culture are as serious as ****! What I am saying is that in general, games are vastly male-oriented, which is not in itself a problem, but when you consider that most female gaming protagonists are paragon's of amazonian beauty, with large breasts and scant clothing, a picture does emerge that the interest of the games industry is in providing men with sexy images to look at - definitely not female empowerment. Also, on every message board for 'Assassin's Creed', there are a dozen threads about the game's producer, Jade Raymond, and how she is attractive but stupid, or some other sexist comment.

Games like World of Warcraft and The Sims are great examples where gender is treated respectfully, and I am happy about it! But the general case is that women, gays, lesbians, etc, are not only under-represented in games and the industry, but are treated with scorn or as mere sex objects.

Look, you can have your opinion on this issue but I suspect if you look at it with a more-open mind you'll see how some people might be a little disgusted with the way the industry has conducted itself. That's why I like that the DS/ Wii / WoW/ Sims have brought women into gaming - a greater involvement by women in gaming will force the industry to produce games like the above-mentioned ones which treat gender with respect. But there is still a ways to go.