Why Gears of War looks better than Resistance

360 News | Insomniac boss explains all.

Insomniac Games bod Brian Hastings has responded to critics who have complained that the company's PlayStation 3 launch title, Resistance: Fall of Man, isn't as good-looking as the Xbox 360's Gears of War. In a tirade titled "10 Reasons Why PS3 Will Win This Console Generation", Hastings was keen to explain why Gears trumped Resistance in the visuals department.

"Sometimes people ask us, 'If Resistance takes 14 gigabytes, why doesn't it look better than Gears?'" began Hastings. "Well, for one, Resistance didn't support texture streaming, so we had to make choices about where we spent our high-res textures. Resistance also had 30 single-player chapters, six multiplayer maps, uncompressed audio streaming, and high-definition mpegs. That all added up to a lot of space on the disc.

"Starting with Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction we are supporting texture streaming, which will make the worlds look even better, and will also consume even more space on disc. Gears of War is a beautiful game and shows off the highest resolution textures of anything yet released, partly because of the Unreal Engine's ability to stream textures," he continued. "This means that you can have much higher resolution textures than you could normally fit in your 512 MB of RAM. It also means that you’re going to chew up more disc space for each level.

"With streamed textures, streamed geometry and streamed audio, even with compression, you can quickly approach 1GB of data per level. That inherently limits you to a maximum of about 7 levels, and that’s without multiplayer levels or mpeg cut-scenes. There’s no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right?"

So there you go - why Gears is prettier than Resistance, straight from the horse's mouth. What do you lot think?

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51 Comments

Zarnoss

2 years ago

What I find quite amusing is that in the long run none of this mine is bigger than yours graphical this graphical that banter isn't going to mean jack except to the people that like to banter about it on internet.

Not like this stuff is on the headline news or anything.

Qbert

2 years ago

crestfallen wrote

DancesInUnderwear wrote

Wait, if everyone went and bought a Wii, even if they never played it again, wouldn't it then win the console generation anyway?

I guess, but game companies make most of their money through software sales remember.

Not when nintendo sells the Wii for $400 AUD

Joaby

2 years ago

Qbert wrote

crestfallen wrote

DancesInUnderwear wrote

Wait, if everyone went and bought a Wii, even if they never played it again, wouldn't it then win the console generation anyway?

I guess, but game companies make most of their money through software sales remember.

Not when nintendo sells the Wii for $400 AUD

It's true! They ARE screwing us over!

YAY!

BovineDeath

2 years ago

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Mar 27, 2007 : 10 Reasons Why PS3 Will Win

3. 50 GB games
If you ever hear someone say “Blu-Ray isn’t needed for this generation,” rest assured they don’t make games for a living. At Insomniac, we were filling up DVDs on the PS2, as were most of the developers in the industry. We compressed the level data, we compressed the mpeg movies, we compressed the audio, and it was still a struggle to get it to fit in 6 gigs. Now we’ve got 16 times as much system RAM, so the level data is 16 times bigger. And the average disc space of games only gets bigger over a console’s lifespan. As games get bigger, more advanced and more complex, they necessarily take up more space. If developers were filling up DVDs last generation, there are clearly going to be some sacrifices made to fit current generation games in the same amount of space.

RFoM was not compressed properly in an effort to make Blu-Ray seem necessary.

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Granted, some really great Xbox 360 games have squeezed onto a DVD9. Gears of War is a beautiful game and shows off the highest resolution textures of anything yet released, partly because of the Unreal Engine’s ability to stream textures. This means that you can have much higher resolution textures than you could normally fit in your 512 MB of RAM. It also means that you’re going to chew up more disc space for each level. With streamed textures, streamed geometry and streamed audio, even with compression, you can quickly approach 1 GB of data per level. That inherently limits you to a maximum of about 7 levels, and that’s without multiplayer levels or mpeg cutscenes.

GoW is only seven levels? And no room for multiplayer?

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There’s no question that you can always cut more levels, compress the audio more, compress the textures more, down-res the mpeg movies, and eventually get any game to fit on a DVD. But you paid for a high-def experience, right? You want the highest resolution, best audio, most cinematic experience a developer can offer, right? That’s why Blu-Ray is important for games, and why it will become more important each year of this hardware cycle.

I don't see how devs using compression affects the HD experience. It means that they're not being lazy.

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4. Casino Royale

It will win because it's a blu-ray player. Who plays games? Is this guy Ken Kutagari?

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5. HDMI
A lot has been said about Sony’s choice to ship with composite cables. I won’t say I agree with that decision, but I think too little has been said of the fact that even the cheaper PS3 SKU supports HDMI 1.3. The PS3 was the first consumer device to support it, and this is a very important future-proofing step. When you go to buy higher-end TVs, the PS3 will support the highest possible audio and video input the TV and receiver can accept. If and when high-def movies start requiring an Image Constraint Token, the PS3 will still be able play them in high definition.

Right now, HDMI seems primarily to be a selling point to the hardcore audio and videophiles of the world. But HDTVs are getting cheaper and more popular all the time, and consumer sophistication and knowledge of high definition audio and video is growing. In a couple years, HDMI devices will be the standard. Graphics and audio in games will also continue to improve, and more and more consumers will want HDMI in order to get the best results on their home theater setups. As this happens, Microsoft has a difficult choice – do they stick with “last gen” video output, or do they release a premium version of the Xbox 360 that includes HDMI but effectively forces early adopters to re-buy the system to get the best results? Sony ultimately made their console more expensive by including HDMI, but over the next couple years it’s likely to play out as the right choice.

360 Elite comes with HDMI cables.

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6. Standard HDD
When we were developing for PS2, I was jealous of Xbox’s standard hard drive. There are so many things this allowed you to consider as a developer – virtually unlimited save data, improved load times, custom music, downloadable content and user-created content just to name a few. But since hard drives, no matter what the size, never get cheaper than about $50, Microsoft lost money trying to compete with the PS2’s price. That may be the reason they left it out of the cheaper Xbox 360 SKU, thinking that Sony would again leave out the hard drive on the PS3. Instead, Sony made the hard drive standard for both SKUs. This added to the cost of the PS3, but it also let developers use the HDD in games.

The problem with including a hard drive in one version of the 360 and not in the other is that developers can’t use it for the games. Or, at least, they can’t use it for any required features. When you are guaranteed to have at least a 20 GB hard drive in the console, you can write your load caching routines around it, or use it for your application’s storage needs. To a developer, an optional hard drive is roughly equivalent to no hard drive at all.

Another advantage of the PS3 is that it will let you put in any third party hard drive you want. From a developer’s standpoint, this is good news because the market will gradually be able to support larger downloadable games over the course of the PS3’s life. As downloadable content gets larger and more sophisticated, PS3 owners can choose to buy larger hard drives at the best market price. The more this happens, the more developers will be encouraged to create better and better downloadable games.

Um, don't most of my games support the HDD? Either through DLC or patches.

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8. PS3 Has a Major CPU Advantage
The GPUs on the Xbox 360 and PS3 are roughly equivalent, with the Xbox 360 arguably having a slight edge. The difference in CPU power, however, is far greater with the PS3 enjoying the advantage. The PS3’s eight parallel CPUs (one primary “PPU” and seven Cell processors) give it potentially far more computing power than the three parallel CPUs in the Xbox 360. Just about any tech programmer will tell you that the PS3’s CPUs are significantly more powerful. The problem is that it has been challenging thus far to take advantage of the Cell’s parallel architecture.

With the PS2, Sony got away with making a fairly developer-unfriendly system, and its success allowed their hardware designers to ignore developer’s complaints as they made the PS3. People high up at Sony have realized that approach simply won’t work anymore and are trying to fix the problem. Sony is actively improving their libraries, tools and developer support in order to make PS3 development easier. They are giving first party developed techniques and code to third-party developers so that multi-platform games should start looking better on PS3.

Games developed from the ground up on PS3 are the ones that will really show off the PS3’s CPU advantage. The complexity of the distributed processing architecture means that PS3 engines won’t fully blossom until a little later in the lifecycle than the PS2. This has put the PS3 at a disadvantage early in its lifecycle, but within two years you will see games that surpass what is possible on the Xbox 360.

Then why do the devs of Assassin's Creed say the 360 has better processing power, and therefore better AI? The graphics for that game are sharper on PS3 though.

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9. PS2 still outselling 360
I know, it’s outselling the PS3 by an even larger margin. But the continued strong PS2 sales really are a good thing for Sony. Anyone buying a PS2 at this point is probably not going to buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 in the next year. And when they do choose to buy the current generation of hardware, the PS3 will be in a lot better position. The price will have come down, the game library will be broad, and the top PS3 titles will probably have the edge in both graphics and sound. Just as important, the people buying into the PS2 now will be getting into many of Sony’s exclusive franchises that they will then later want to play on the PS3.

He's waisting perfectly good bits and bytes with this. Nintendo DS outsells PS2. They are cheaper than next-gen consoles. Fruit outsells Porsche cars.

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10. Something For Everyone
One of Sony’s biggest advantages is that it has strong franchises in every genre. Whereas Microsoft’s successful titles are mostly M-rated, and Nintendo’s are mostly E-rated, Sony has a big list of hit titles across the spectrum. When a 30-something gamer (like me) goes to buy a game console, it’s a lot easier to justify the purchase when there are games he can play with his kids as well as more mature stuff.

To Microsoft’s credit, they are doing a good job of catching up. The acquisition of Rare and the development of Viva Pinata have helped to broaden their spectrum. But it takes time to build a franchise, and Sony has been building their suite of titles for over a decade. Consider the breadth, success and critical acclaim of some of their exclusive properties: The Getaway

OK, stop right there. The Getaway games are some of the cruddiest games ever to grace the PS2.

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, God of War, Gran Turismo, Hot Shots Golf, Jak and Daxter, Killzone,

AKA The poor man's Halo 2

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Ratchet & Clank, Shadow of the Colossus, Singstar, Sly Cooper, SOCOM,

AKA The poor man's Ghost Recon

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and Twisted Metal. These are all million-plus sellers worldwide that are either already announced or likely to appear on PS3. Add to this Sony’s new line up of first-party titles, including Heavenly Sword, Lair, Motorstorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, Uncharted and White Knight Story, and they have an even deeper and stronger line-up than what they had on PS2.

There are not many good PS3 games YET. It certainly doesn't cover any genre that isn't covered on 360.[quote]

ittekimasu

2 years ago

You'd think that by compressing data you'll lessen the quality its common sense, just like when you convert a bmp image into a jpeg you lose an amount of quality by stripping data from it, by having it uncompressed on a bluray you wont be sacrifing anything just to fit it on a smaller storage disc AKA HD-DVD

Sure, 360 'elite' comes with hdmi cables but that system isnt even out yet and they had to put out a second system cause they did a half assed job on the first one.

Crestfallen

2 years ago

BovineDeath wrote

He's waisting perfectly good bits and bytes with this. Nintendo DS outsells PS2. They are cheaper than next-gen consoles. Fruit outsells Porsche cars

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I think he meant that Sony are continually winning people over with the PS2 and that those people will go and get the PS3 in a couple of years.

Bovine wrote

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, God of War, Gran Turismo, Hot Shots Golf, Jak and Daxter, Killzone,

AKA The poor man's Halo 2

You did not just compare God of War to Halo 2..........

Jellyfish

2 years ago

crestfallen wrote

Bovine wrote

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, God of War, Gran Turismo, Hot Shots Golf, Jak and Daxter, Killzone,

AKA The poor man's Halo 2

You did not just compare God of War to Halo 2..........

He meant Killzone.

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Everything is compressed these days. If you don't like compression you shouldn't be using a computer...

Fact: you lose more using Blu-Ray compared to HD-DVD because HD-DVD requires Lossless compression to be used. Blu-Ray doesn't require it.

Joaby

2 years ago

Yeah, you clearly know your stuff, BovineDeath.

A couple of quick points.

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RFoM was not compressed properly in an effort to make Blu-Ray seem necessary.

Maybe the dude who made the game would know more about it than you. But i'm not sure. You might have some pretty awesome insiders that even this guy doesn't know about! :O

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GoW is only seven levels? And no room for multiplayer?

He was making a point? And you clearly can't grasp it?

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I don't see how devs using compression affects the HD experience. It means that they're not being lazy.

See point one.

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It will win because it's a blu-ray player. Who plays games? Is this guy Ken Kutagari?

Are you Major Nelson?

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360 Elite comes with HDMI cables.

OH SNAP

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Um, don't most of my games support the HDD? Either through DLC or patches.

Not in the way he's talking about. You see, if a HDD is standard, a dev can choose to cache files on said HDD, allowing for shorter loading times. He mentions this, in the sentence directly before the one that is in bold.

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Then why do the devs of Assassin's Creed say the 360 has better processing power, and therefore better AI? The graphics for that game are sharper on PS3 though.

See point 1, but to elaborate, it depends on the way it utilises the CPUs.

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He's waisting perfectly good bits and bytes with this. Nintendo DS outsells PS2. They are cheaper than next-gen consoles. Fruit outsells Porsche cars.

What he's doing is illustrating that the PS2's fanbase is still enjoying their machine, some 6 years after its release, and most of those consumers will enjoy the IPs Sony have as exclusives. He mentions this. Stop reading only what you want to read.

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OK, stop right there. The Getaway games are some of the cruddiest games ever to grace the PS2.

They could be worse. They could be Driver.

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AKA The poor man's Halo 2

You're thinking of Metroid Prime 2.

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AKA The poor man's Ghost Recon

Ghost Recon is a PC game.

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There are not many good PS3 games YET. It certainly doesn't cover any genre that isn't covered on 360.

Considering your previous two statements, and the price of the respective consoles, wouldn't any game in the same genre as a PS3 exclusive simply be "AKA The poor man's PS3 game"?

Qbert

2 years ago

Joaby wrote

Qbert wrote

crestfallen wrote

DancesInUnderwear wrote

Wait, if everyone went and bought a Wii, even if they never played it again, wouldn't it then win the console generation anyway?

I guess, but game companies make most of their money through software sales remember.

Not when nintendo sells the Wii for $400 AUD

It's true! They ARE screwing us over!

YAY!

Was that a stab at me? If so, where did I say I was glad about the price of the Wii. If not, then cool, but you just basically re-itereted my post or suck at sarcasm.

BovineDeath

2 years ago

Joaby wrote

Yeah, you clearly know your stuff, BovineDeath.

A couple of quick points.

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RFoM was not compressed properly in an effort to make Blu-Ray seem necessary.

Maybe the dude who made the game would know more about it than you. But i'm not sure. You might have some pretty awesome insiders that even this guy doesn't know about! :O

And there is no bias in his VERY pro-ps3 article. Sony have been telling us how we need blu-ray for next gen graphics, the point that everybody is making is that RTFoM doesn't NEED to be bigger than GoW when the textures are not the same quality. I'm sure GoW would also be a large game if it were not for compression.

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GoW is only seven levels? And no room for multiplayer?

He was making a point? And you clearly can't grasp it?

Again, he was trying to justify the size of Resistance, saying that it had to be THAT big to fit the content on it. GoW managed that with DVD9

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I don't see how devs using compression affects the HD experience. It means that they're not being lazy.

See point one.

It wasn't really a point.

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It will win because it's a blu-ray player. Who plays games? Is this guy Ken Kutagari?

Are you Major Nelson?

No. I'm Peter Moore. Want to kiss my third tattoo.

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360 Elite comes with HDMI cables.

OH SNAP

With the emphasis that Sony put on HDMI, you'd think that they'd bundle the cables, not charge the ridiculous prices that they do for Sony cables. I hope that everybody who brought a PS3 buys 3rd party ones. When I get my PS3, I will.

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Um, don't most of my games support the HDD? Either through DLC or patches.

He stated that an optional HDD was the equivalent of NO HDD. This is untrue, as devs do use the HDD. Blu-Ray is a little slower for access and needs the caching more than DVD.

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Then why do the devs of Assassin's Creed say the 360 has better processing power, and therefore better AI? The graphics for that game are sharper on PS3 though.

See point 1, but to elaborate, it depends on the way it utilises the CPUs.

Assassin's Creed looks a lot better than any insomniac game, so I wouln't dismiss those devs just because they aren't running around saying "OMFG!!! TEH PS3 PWNZ J00r M$ aND wee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!" like this clown.

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He's waisting perfectly good bits and bytes with this. Nintendo DS outsells PS2. They are cheaper than next-gen consoles. Fruit outsells Porsche cars.

No, he was talking about how the PS2 hardware is outselling the Xbox 360 hardware. It's like saying that Ford Festivas are outselling BMW M3's. A lot of people aren't committed enough to gaming, or in a financial situation, to drop $700-$1,000 on a console with (mostly) full price games. The PS2 is cheap, the games are cheap, and not everybody needs to be bleeding edge. That is why Nintendogs and Singstar sell so damn well.

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OK, stop right there. The Getaway games are some of the cruddiest games ever to grace the PS2.

They could be worse. They could be Driver.

That's a fair point. I wouldn't brag about having the Getaway franchise though, it's like Microsoft bragging about New Rally X on Live Arcade.

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AKA The poor man's Halo 2

You're thinking of Metroid Prime 2. I liked Killzone, but it wasn't the Halo-killer it was hyped to be. My point in criticising these games, is that the insomniac guy is implying that these games are unique, and therefore a selling point for the console. My point is, that even if you have different IP's on other consoles (and PC) you definetly have the same genres.

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AKA The poor man's Ghost Recon

Ghost Recon is a PC game.

And a PS2 game. See above.

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There are not many good PS3 games YET. It certainly doesn't cover any genre that isn't covered on 360.

Considering your previous two statements, and the price of the respective consoles, wouldn't any game in the same genre as a PS3 exclusive simply be "AKA The poor man's PS3 game"?

My point is that it would be comparable. The only 2 decent exclusives RIGHT NOW are Motorstorm and Resistance. I don't think that they will be "cloned".

Bottom line, defensive PS3 fanboy dude, is that I'm not even dissing the PS3. I want one. My point is that the writer of the article is a biased nob, who accuses the entire community, media and even gamers as being wrong in not proclaiming the PS3 as the new messiah. It's just a console, and Sony as a company, deserve the negative press. Doesn't anybody remember the dead pixels on the PSP? They were deemed a normal part of the LCD manufacturing process, and not a fault. No PSP's with dead pixels, including my own would be fixed. They even closed down all the forum topics complaining about this on playstation.com.au. I don't think that MS or Nintendo are infallible, quite the opposite. This rabid, blind fanboyism should stop. I owned a PS2, Xbox and Gamecube so that I could get the best (or only) version of a game for whichever console it came out for. It's about the games, but you really sound like you're a Sony employee, probably from PR.

Crestfallen

2 years ago

I'm just going to add this:
Ubisoft does not hold a candle to Insomniac.

You are aware that Insomniac are behind Ratchet and Clank, PS1 Spyro and Resistance??

To say Assassin's Creed (a game who hasn't even had gameplay footage released) is going to beat anything that Insomniac can put out is pretty shortsighted.

Qbert

2 years ago

^ Except for this

Spanca

2 years ago

crestfallen wrote

To say Assassin's Creed (a game who hasn't even had gameplay footage released) is going to beat anything that Insomniac can put out is pretty shortsighted.

What are you talking about? They did a realtime gameplay demo back at E3 with a Ubisoft rep playing through part of a level. That's about as far away from "not releasing gameplay footage" as you can get without releasing the whole game!

edit: I've been Qbert'd

Crestfallen

2 years ago

Oh, so thats what its like to be Qbert'd.

Being Spanca'd however is a daily occurence.

Thanks heaps for that guys, I had never seen that before.

BovineDeath

2 years ago

crestfallen wrote

The Sony PR guy was annoying me. I do love R&C, not so fussed on the other two though. Even though Ubi are corporate and evil, they do release awseome games even if only for the Tom Clancy games and Prince of Persia. Ubi are like EA, if you have a look at your collection you won't belive how many Ubi titles there are.

Joaby

2 years ago

I'm not a "Sony Fanboi" i'm just an "Anti-poor arguments Fanboi"

I don't even own a PS3 yet, only the Wii and a 360. The problem is, through all of your rebuttals you're still missing some very key points about his statements.

Just quickly (no quoting this time)
It doesn't stream textures, meaning it can't utilise the textures in the same manner, meaning compressed textures would make it run like a whore.

The HDD point is stupid, because regardless of whether or not 360 devs are capable of tacking on some extra cars in your Forza game, they can't fully utilise a HDD because not everyone will have one. And Blu-Ray needing the caching... Yeesh. That's just wrong. You could not find a single dev who would say "You know what, i PREFER it when we stream everything we have off a disc. Caching, in my opinion, is a bad thing." You will never find that man. Ever.

Unfortunately, i'm still capped, so i can't see some of your other points, but all in all, you've attacked a man who, while biased, knows a **** ton more than you do, especially about his own game, and you are not in a position to shoot down his points. Especially if you're going to ignore large facts and take things out of context.

And Qbert, it wasn't a stab, just a re-iteration. For EMPHA-sis.

BovineDeath

2 years ago

Joaby wrote

The lack of texture streaming is a programming issue. The PS3 is more than powerful enough to display Resistance whilst using compressed textures and audio without breaking a sweat, it's a powerfull machine.

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The HDD point is stupid, because regardless of whether or not 360 devs are capable of tacking on some extra cars in your Forza game,

At least Forza comes with cars

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they can't fully utilise a HDD because not everyone will have one. And Blu-Ray needing the caching... Yeesh. That's just wrong. You could not find a single dev who would say "You know what, i PREFER it when we stream everything we have off a disc. Caching, in my opinion, is a bad thing." You will never find that man. Ever.

Caching improves performance, reading from a HDD is quicker than any optical format on the market. I don't find the load times on the 360 worth complaining about (I didn't buy Sonic), so I don't really see the point. If every game caches a bucketload of uncompressed data on your HDD, it's going to fill up very quickly. Even more so with the 360's 20GB.

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Unfortunately, i'm still capped, so i can't see some of your other points, but all in all, you've attacked a man who, while biased, knows a s*** ton more than you do

Therefore you must acknowledge that because Peter Moore knows more than you, he is right.

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, especially about his own game,

To which he is not biased.

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and you are not in a position to shoot down his points. Especially if you're going to ignore large facts and take things out of context.

Nobody outside of Sony HQ wouldn't shoot this guy down. He's a biased tool and is talking absolute rubbish. The community should not be attacked because the company he has bet on to win this gen is recieving bad press.

DancesInUnderwear

2 years ago

Joaby wrote

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AKA The poor man's Halo 2

You're thinking of Metroid Prime 2.

Oh s***.

Hope you packed a flame shield for that one, because this one could get naaaaasty.

Joaby

2 years ago

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Yes. It's a programming issue. I've been saying this the entire time. Even whatever this guys name is says this.

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At least Forza comes with cars

Can someone please decipher this for me. It's a one-liner so i'm sure it's meant to be witty, but i can't see what he's rebutting. There's no argument or attack in that sentence fragment he quoted.

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Yes. You can't see any issues yet. You've clearly never played Tiger Woods 2007. Were that game able to cache the menus, it might be playable. And i don't want to have to explain to you how they cache data, but it will not fill up your HDD. PC games cache data all the time, but i still have plenty of space for my pron.

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Therefore you must acknowledge that because Peter Moore knows more than you, he is right.

Are you attempting to argue that someone with more knowledge on a subject would know less than me about a subject? Are you trying to say that if Stephen Hawking told you that Black Holes are made of candy, and he'd spent the last two years proving this, you wouldn't believe him? Because you read something different on the internet?

I don't even know if trying to point anything out to you will work. It might be a demonstration of futility.

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To which he is not biased.

Whoever deciphers the last one, i need your help again. I'm pretty sure in the sentence fragment directly before this one, i clearly stated he was biased, so if this is sarcasm, i don't get it, and if this is sincere, you are an idiot.

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Nope, they shouldn't, but they should be attacked if they have no idea what they're talking about, and yet they keep fighting their torrential battle any way. I'm talking about you, by the way.

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Oh s***.

Hope you packed a flame shield for that one, because this one could get naaaaasty.

I meant that the Gamecube was the cheapest console, therefore a poor mans Halo would be on the GC, and the GC that was most comparative to Halo 2 was Metroid Prime 2.

BovineDeath

2 years ago

Joaby, you have clearly just come here to start flame wars. I'm sure that even the people who ignored the Wii / 360 and brought a PS3 can see that the original writer is extremely biased, misleading and in some cases wrong.

EDIT: I removed a cheap shot and decided to be a little bit more mature.

Whatever it is, just chill out - I like the PS3, Wii, 360 and PC. I would show just as much disdain for a similar article written by a solely MS or Nintendo developer. This guy attacks other formats and companies in his rant and I will not accept it as gospel because you tell me to. I like these forums because there aren't full of pointless flamers such as yourself, so either get to the point or jog off.

Crestfallen

2 years ago

^Bovine, if you're that touchy on the issue you shouldn't start posting in the first place. Don't call Joaby a 12 year old just because he/she sees things differently.

I think this guy's blog had a ring of truth to it but I think that you're forgetting that it is a blog. It was an piece of persuasive prose written by a guy who is obviously tired of overly negative gaming media, so of course its going to be a little far-fetched.

BovineDeath

2 years ago

crestfallen wrote

I'm more than happy to discuss the issue with people such as yourself without getting into a childish argument. I didn't get annoyed with Joaby because he saw things differently, I got annoyed with his petty insults. He didn't like my point of view, so started trying to insult me.

Everybody is entitled to a point of view, and they will inevitably be different. I really don't see why people have the idea in their heads that one console must reign supreme, and anybody with a different console is somehow going to become a social lepper. Every console fills a niche and caters to people's personal preference. There is no right and wrong, only choice which is something that we should embrace.

Ultimately, anyone who wishes to, has the right to critique this dude's blog without fear of retribution from trolls.

ittekimasu

2 years ago

Well isnt the guy who posted the blog in the first place his point of view? and that you didnt like how he said it so started insulting him? And now your upset because people are having a go at your for having a go at him >< just sounds like a ongoing circle

Joaby

2 years ago

I didn't join these forums to flame, i joined them to trade, but i couldn't help but notice you spouting facts and ignoring context. I honestly don't care what you think of me, all i did was call you out when you were making poor arguments. You posted a 10 point, witty rebuttal to a mans blog posting, and all i did was defend the guy who wasn't present. If you want to get upset with me because you wanted your counter-rant to be un-challenged, well, i'm sorry for you.

BovineDeath

2 years ago

Then challenge the points and don't try to insult me. I accept that my opinion is not the only opinion, that does not change the fact that you started posting with insults, when counter argments would have been fine. I have not wronged anybody buy voicing my opinion and I don't get why it offended you in the first place.

It all comes down to the fact that Brian Hastings was upset with the fact that Resistance didn't live up to it's own hype, and Halo 3 and Killzone will have to be the best shooters ever to live up to their hype. It is a good game, just not as good as GoW in terms of graphics or gameplay. Insomniac just need to accept that they didn't make the better game, and improve with their future titles.

There is a huge amount of competition-bashing and viral marketing BS this generation, it really is growing old.

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