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30 May, 2006

Final Fantasy XI Review

360 Review | The four year old game makes it to the Xbox 360.
Final Fantasy XI has a long history, the game originally appeared on the PlayStation 2 in 2002 and required a hard-drive to be played. Shortly thereafter the game came out on the PC, which made it a bit more accessible (especially to PAL Gamers). For the unaware, Final Fantasy XI is a MMORPG and is the first time that the Final Fantasy series is playable only online. The Xbox 360 version includes the original game, as well as the three expansions Rise of Zilart, Chains of Promathia and The Treasures of Aht Urhgan. Is the port an addition to the Xbox 360 library or a rush job?

Before you can get anywhere into the game the first thing you will have to do is set the game up. This probably seems like a given but the initial sign up process is really exhaustive. It's essential to have a USB keyboard because it takes about three hours to sign up to everything completely. The first thing you have to do is install the PlayOnline viewer. The Playonline software contains email and buddy list features, it's ends up just adding to the long sign up process After this is done the game will install data to the hard drive and download the latest updates, which takes a decent amount of time. It's after this is done and you think your about to enter the world of Vana'diel that you'll start to get a little frustrated. You then register your content ID and it's time to create a character.

On Guard!

On Guard!
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The character creation process is actually pretty straightforward, you can choose from five races which include the Hume, Elvaan, Tarutatu, Mithra and the Galka. The main difference between the characters is really just the attributes of the character so it's not really a concern which character you choose. The positive is that no player is going to be disadvantaged by the race they choose at the beginning. After this the game just drops you into a part of Vana'diel. For the first few hours you're likely to be quite lost because the game doesn't really explain too much so you'll need to talk to other players to get to grips with things.

The game begins rather slowly though which could turn a few people off. It's normal for MMORPG's to start off slow but it seems that Final Fantasy XI stays slow for the first 15 hours or so. At the beginning you're very weak and you basically travel around defeating low level monsters in an attempt to level up. It's possible to complete quests at your city as well and these earn a bit of money. The currency in the game can be used to spend at the shops or at the auction houses. The auction houses are player run so there are often some really great items up for auction. However, When you strip the game play bare you're literally just getting richer and becoming more powerful, like most MMORPG's you're only likely to get out what you put in.

Once you've levelled up a bit and you're a little richer it is safe to leave the city. The game places a large emphasis on encouraging players to team up, which can be both a positive and a negative. If you don't team up with other players then you're likely to have a tough time down the line because everything will be far too difficult. Later on in the game you join a linkshell (like a guild) and this allows you to work as a team to survive. This makes the later parts of the game more entertaining.

The dwarves are here to attack!!

The dwarves are here to attack!!
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The Xbox 360 version is played against players who own the PlayStation 2 or the PC version of the game, so you'll be encountering a lot of different people and they could be from basically anywhere in the world. Due to this version arriving so late it is easy to feel like your a couple of years behind everyone else. The reason these people have been playing so long though is because of the lifespan. There is literally so much to do that the more time you put into this game the more you get out of it. The maximum level you can achieve is level 75, but with a variety of different jobs and sub jobs you're not likely to run out of things to do anytime soon.

Most people would be aware by now that this is the only Xbox 360 game without achievements. I've since been informed that Square Enix have stated that they're looking into how to put achievements into the game but the lack of any achievements at all is a serious disappointment. Even if Square Enix just added tasks worth a couple of hundred points they easily could have added to this later on. The achievements could have been the major reason to pick this version up but unfortunately at the time of writing this review there are no achievements at all and it doesn't look like there will be for the forseeable future.

Graphically the game is basically identical to the version we reviewed a few years ago. Back then the graphics may have been rather impressive but they're starting to look quite aged now. The game has been optimised for a high definition set up, but that's as far as the enhancements go. We didn't find the sound to be as memorable as other Final Fantasy titles, but it is all going to come down to personal preference.

Dark and stormy night

Dark and stormy night
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Final Fantasy XI is still going strong after many years. The Xbox 360 version is basically identical to the PlayStation 2 and the PC version released all those years ago. There is nothing overly wrong with the title, except the pacing is so slow and the system isn't very forgiving for new players. If you're willing to put in the time then you're likely to get a good experience out of the game, but if you were that interested in the title it's likely you played it a few years ago. When reviewing a MMORPG there are so many facets of the game that it's impossible to cover all of them, but even when your fifty hours in you're likely to experience something new and that is the appeal of MMORPG's. Final Fantasy XI may have been eclipsed by titles like World of Warcraft but it's still an enjoyable experience, just not as enjoyable as a few years ago.

Thanks to Xamerkapsy for his help with some of the factual information included in this review.
The Score
Final Fantasy's appearance on the Xbox 360 is basically pointless. Unless you're a die hard fan of the title then it's advised you look elsewhere. There's nothing overly wrong with the game - it just hasn't dated well. 6
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58 Comments
5 years ago
Oh..my..god...

I have no problem with the fact that you guys didn't like the game.

Have a look at what I said I would have given it as a score.

My "point" was not that the game gets better later in the game, I never said that once.

My point was that he had incorrect information in his review and neglected to tell anyone about major faults in this game, or even how the game is played.

I wouldn't have mentioned skillchains if I were to review it, because they are nuts and bolts, not bigger picture.

It also disappoints me that the most obvious and major fault with this game was not even mentioned, despite the fact I told Luke about it several times by PM.

-Edit

Jibbs wrote
I'm sure i'd get annoyed if i saw a review of advance wars saying the best way to take down a bomber is with a battle copter(copters can't attack high altitude aircraft) but i wouldn't explode either.I may correct the fellow in a calm way, but i would not acuse him/her of putting up a poor review full of lies and is just 'crap'.

No need for that.
Well, when the review was originally posted, I replied, calmly, kindly, pointing out the mistakes that were made. My post was deleted, I was called a fanboy and was accused of making personal attacks.

So I replied in PM, explained to Luke what mistakes he had made, and suggested correcting those before re-posting the article.

He said he would do so, and re-wrote the article, largely unchanged.

I then restated that it may need a complete re-write, and pointed out a few of the things that were still wrong, to which he pretty much ignored and posted his article again.

Then, once that was done, as you can see, I pointed out a few of the mistakes he made again - which people have still ignored or misread what I have said.

It if rather frustrating when a website you start to trust blows you off like this and waves your initial attempts at help as rabid fan-boyism.


And for the record this is my first Final Fantasy game and the only one I've ever paid for...
5 years ago
All this talk about this game is makinig me want to run out and buy it!!!! icon_biggrin.gif
5 years ago
"I'm tempted to write a whole review in reply, because this is just crap to be honest."

How does that help anyone? Xamer?
5 years ago
Big Pete wrote
"I'm tempted to write a whole review in reply, because this is just crap to be honest."

How does that help anyone? Xamer?
It helps by offering a second opinion from someone who actually has played the game for more than a second (yes, on the Xbox 360 too).
5 years ago
Xamerkapsy wrote
It helps by offering a second opinion from someone who actually has played the game for more than a second (yes, on the Xbox 360 too).
Noow im offended, don't go saying i haven't played the game, by my recollection that's libel yes?
5 years ago
Luke wrote
Xamerkapsy wrote
It helps by offering a second opinion from someone who actually has played the game for more than a second (yes, on the Xbox 360 too).
Noow im offended, don't go saying i haven't played the game, by my recollection that's libel yes?
Okay sure, go get your lawyers and ask them about libel laws icon_razz.gif
5 years ago
I think it's time for a settle down Xamerkapsy, you're just blantinly attacking the reviewer now without warrent.

You've made your point, so just let it go.
5 years ago
leonmc wrote
I think it's time for a settle down Xamerkapsy, you're just blantinly attacking the reviewer now without warrent.

You've made your point, so just let it go.
Tell me who threatened who with libel then.
5 years ago
Let it go Xamer....honestly who cares, its a game.
5 years ago
Jim Dash wrote
Let it go Xamer....honestly who cares, its a game.
I don't think you are understanding this, it's not the game that has me caught up, it's the so called journalism and the response that the author gave me that has me distressed.

I think it entirely unfair that even when we point out that the review contains false information, the only response is to edit out one bit and neglect the rest.

The review also neglects to mention things like gameplay, the poor controls, the Xbox 360 specific faults, such as the glaringly obvious screen tearing that I have mentioned now for the umpteenth time.
5 years ago
They're obviously not as worried about it or as caught up over it as you are. He's probably writing some other reviews/articles at the moment and is over it.

You've made your point.
5 years ago
Jim Dash wrote
They're obviously not as worried about it or as caught up over it as you are. He's probably writing some other reviews/articles at the moment and is over it.

You've made your point.
I've made my point, in the forums, however on the public front page, there is still misinformation and a large amount of important information lacking from the review.
5 years ago
^Do you come with an 'off' button?
5 years ago
I don't see the point of a review if it's gonna have errors in them. People use these reviews to make viable decisions whether or not to purchase games so it's not something that should be taken lightly. I think Xamer has been trying to make a valid point and people keep missing this as him being a fan boy.

Would you be happy if you read a review for a TV which said the resolution was 1280 x 1080 but after buying the tv you found out it was actually 1280 x 720? Small or big....errors aren't something you can afford to make in your profession. If you have made them....then take immediate steps to correct them. It's pretty simple really, especially if someone is just trying to help you fix those errors.

People like me, Xgamer and other people on the forum are the whole reason this site even exists....so it's not something you should just disregard.

A lot of people on here need to grow up and discuss things in a adult manner without thinking that people are having a go at them.
5 years ago
ugh the boot wrote
I don't see the point of a review if it's gonna have errors in them. People use these reviews to make viable decisions whether or not to purchase games so it's not something that should be taken lightly. I think Xamer has been trying to make a valid point and people keep missing this as him being a fan boy.

Would you be happy if you read a review for a TV which said the resolution was 1280 x 1080 but after buying the tv you found out it was actually 1280 x 720? Small or big....errors aren't something you can afford to make in your profession. If you have made them....then take immediate steps to correct them. It's pretty simple really, especially is someone is just trying to help you fix those errors.

People like me, Xgamer and other people on the forum are the whole reason this site even exists....so it's not something you should just disregard.

A lot of people on here need to grow up and discuss things in a adult manner without thinking that people are having a go at them.
Thank you! icon_smile.gif
5 years ago
So ugh the boot calling a review crap over some tiny errors is adult?
5 years ago
Xamer i didn't mention screen tearing because i didn't see it as an issue, made a mistake with the linkshell and it's fixed.

Topic is over now, the rest of the review is correct. You will find reviewing an MMORPG is difficult and in ANY review it is almost impossible to include as much info as possible. Pretty much done now and yes i have more reviews to work on.

The controls were fine for me (although i only played it on 360) screen tearing wasn't an issue (im not including things only you suggested me too because this is my contention) X360 faults i covered, like the lack of achievements and pointlessness of this conversion.

Happy? I bet not.
5 years ago
Luke wrote
Xamer i didn't mention screen tearing because i didn't see it as an issue, made a mistake with the linkshell and it's fixed.

Topic is over now, the rest of the review is correct. You will find reviewing an MMORPG is difficult and in ANY review it is almost impossible to include as much info as possible. Pretty much done now and yes i have more reviews to work on.

The controls were fine for me (although i only played it on 360) screen tearing wasn't an issue (im not including things only you suggested me too because this is my contention) X360 faults i covered, like the lack of achievements and pointlessness of this conversion.

Happy? I bet not.
Screen tearing that occurs constantly throughout the game is not an issue?
We are talking distortion across the screen that tears and retears every half to full second when the camera is moving.

The review wrote
Once you've levelled up a bit and you're a little richer it is safe to leave the city
You cannot level up inside a city. Perhaps a re-wording is required to clarify what you mean.

The review wrote
The Xbox 360 version is played against players who own the PlayStation 2 or the PC version of the game....
This line is misleading, there is very little PvP in the game, so it would be better to say that the game is played with players from other platforms, and would also be good to mention that a single account can sign in from any platform.

The review wrote
The Xbox 360 version is basically identical to the PlayStation 2 and the PC version released all those years ago...
I explained this to you in PM's.

The Xbox and PC versions are graphically equal, the PS2 version has lower graphics.

The review wrote
...but if you were that interested in the title it's likely you played it a few years ago.
What if you have an Xbox and want to see how it plays on the Xbox as a break from the PC?

What if you played it before and want to know if it's changed?

The game also only launched in PAL territories less than two years ago, so it is unlikely that a PAL gamer would have picked it up "a few years ago."

The controls, when you use the keyboard, and since this game is very heavily community based it very much wants a keyboard to be used, uses the num-pad for movement, and is generally not liked by new players.

Luke wrote
...it is almost impossible to include as much info as possible.
I'm just going to let that one hang in the air for a bit icon_smile.gif

Also, how on earth did you play this game without a keyboard? O.o

Big Pete: It's neither childish, nor adult. It was not the correct thing to say, however given the circumstances, which I already outlined in this very thread, you should surely understand why it was said.

This whole fiasco has proven how little PalGN is taking note of it's feedback.

The bottom of the review says "Got something to say?" and instead of taking on board my feedback, you've been rude and dismissed me.
5 years ago
"Also, how on earth did you play this game without a keyboard"

Well considering that the original game was a PS2 title, and based off the PS2 controls, I don't see how this would be an issue with the PC or Xbox360 versions. The PC version's controls are set-out like a controller... so... I'm not too sure where you're going with that one.

"Have you played WoW? Levels 1-10 on FFXI can be done in a couple of hours with dedication (not the in-game effect, though that helps), which I'm sure is a lot faster than Warcraft."

Completely untrue. World of Warcraft is probably the most easiest MMORPG in the history of MMORPG games, there is absolutely no skill involved in getting to level 60. The same can't be said for Final Fantasy XI (level 70, I think?). In Final Fantasy XI you get penalised for losing battles, and get stuck in a rut if you can't battle correctly. Personally, I think leveling can be a very drawn out process if you don't understand the interface.

To Luke's credit though, there are certain things reviews do or do not mention in reviews to prevent them from dragging on. This is subject to change from person to person depending on what stoodout the most for them. You're essentially asking for a full rundown of the game in every single aspect, which is difficult in such a huge game - which is why I refused to review World of Warcraft - and that's not what reviews are for. They're there to highlight the positives and negatives of a game, not a massive FAQ for a game. Whether or not Luke fulfilled this is subject to change depending on different opinions.
5 years ago
Grasping at straws here Xamer, I have not been rude i have been as polite as possible considering you're heavily criticising a piece of my work.

Nothing you've suggested above has meant anything is incorrect, just average wording according to you. It's disappointing that you would keep this going when it's clearly over.

One other thing, the publisher (who read the review) said it was fine.
5 years ago
Xamerkapsy, i think it's time you get off your high horse because your last post has completely discredited you.

It's more than reasonable to ask that reviews and other publications hold information that is true but to starting whinging about things like:

The review wrote:
The Xbox 360 version is basically identical to the PlayStation 2 and the PC version released all those years ago...

The review wrote:
...but if you were that interested in the title it's likely you played it a few years ago.

that's seriously going too far because it's only a matter of interpretation. You've made your point, it HAS been taken and now please let us get on with our lives (or virtual lives for some).
5 years ago
Mark wrote
"Also, how on earth did you play this game without a keyboard"

Well considering that the original game was a PS2 title, and based off the PS2 controls, I don't see how this would be an issue with the PC or Xbox360 versions. The PC version's controls are set-out like a controller... so... I'm not too sure where you're going with that one.
All versions of the game would need a keyboard equally. It is a heavily text based game, with a chatbox taking up a large portion of the screen for the entire time you play.

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"Have you played WoW? Levels 1-10 on FFXI can be done in a couple of hours with dedication (not the in-game effect, though that helps), which I'm sure is a lot faster than Warcraft."

Completely untrue. World of Warcraft is probably the most easiest MMORPG in the history of MMORPG games, there is absolutely no skill involved in getting to level 60. The same can't be said for Final Fantasy XI (level 70, I think?). In Final Fantasy XI you get penalised for losing battles, and get stuck in a rut if you can't battle correctly. Personally, I think leveling can be a very drawn out process if you don't understand the interface.
Yet Bronze has reached the original level cap in the game (50) just a little while after his first month ended. In fact, it's easy enough to reach level 75, the cap, within three months. And as GTPod pointed out, there were level 75 players in the new jobs around 12 days after the jobs were accessible. That includes the time it took them to discover how to gain access to the new areas and unlock the jobs.

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To Luke's credit though, there are certain things reviews do or do not mention in reviews to prevent them from dragging on. This is subject to change from person to person depending on what stoodout the most for them. You're essentially asking for a full rundown of the game in every single aspect, which is difficult in such a huge game - which is why I refused to review World of Warcraft - and that's not what reviews are for. They're there to highlight the positives and negatives of a game, not a massive FAQ for a game. Whether or not Luke fulfilled this is subject to change depending on different opinions.
I understand the difficulty involved, but this is really only good enough to be a poor preview, not a full review. It also contains false information and I've been mostly ignored and dismissed from the start.

It's good to know that the publisher read the review Luke, but I don't care. I see this as poor journalism.

And if dismissing as an "FF Fany boy" and ignoring my comments at the start when you were clearly wrong, wasn't rude, what is?

Are you honestly telling me now that you played the game without a keyboard too? You played a chat based game, with a heavy emphasis on communicating with other players and you did all this without a keyboard?
5 years ago
Is there like some type of classic threads system on here? I haven't been here for awhile but someone told me about this thread.. and I give it the two thumbs up for hilarity.

Xamerkapsy I think it's time for you to really sort your issues elsewhere. The points you raised in your last post are nothing but meaningless and pathetic nitpickings.

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You cannot level up inside a city. Perhaps a re-wording is required to clarify what you mean. ... The game also only launched in PAL territories less than two years ago, so it is unlikely that a PAL gamer would have picked it up "a few years ago."
Obviously those without half a brain cannot deduce what the review is actually talking about. Do you really think someone is not going to bother buying the game simply because they cannot fight in a city like this review suggested according to you? Or the fact that it was only released for PAL due to PC version less than two years ago really makes a difference?

That whole post just seems like you're grabbing fairy-dust and throwing it at Luke merely because you want to incite a bigger argument. Get off your god damn horse.
5 years ago
I personally am not really bothered by this review, even if it did contain incorrect information (*Gasps from the crowd*). A lot of publications and websites have made incorrect assumptions about FFXI and indeed, other MMOs, it happens.

Most FFXI players are aware about what a joke the Official Brady Guide was, and the "previews" done by 360 exclusive magazines and websites before the launch of ToAU, which slanted the graphics more than the gameplay (Both are flawed, but I still prefer FFXI's visuals to WoW's).

Those who do decide to sit down and play, even off the basis of incorrect information are usually swiftly corrected during the course of their stay, that's how community games like FFXI and WoW work.

On the lighter side of the news, latest update notes are about to put Chocobo Raising into the game, it's going to be this all over again.
5 years ago
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Xamer, you can drop this now. I was pleased to see you persuing the corrections, and I think it's great you got some important changes, but in cases like this you have to be very careful that all your points are important/nontrivial, or you undermine the rest of your post. icon_smile.gif
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