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| BigBoss wrote: | | Nice dot points Jarrod. I just hope this doesn't mark the end of Tactical Espionage Action and Kojima can produce a few more gems. This game might also make some new fans who enjoy a rich story with their hack and slash. |
The implications of switching developers is pretty damning. KojiPro has it's fans and rightly so, but the shift in developers means KojiPro spent over a year pissing away at essentially a tech demo. A tech demo they couldn't make into a game.
Kojima has wanted to take a break from MGS for awhile, and Rising was supposed to be handing off the series to whats-his-face. Obviously that didn't work, so who knows what will happen now.
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It's all documented on gaf, looks awesome and I'm certainly looking forward to it. They haven't announced who the director (it's not Kamiya) is but I'm not too worried since I consider Platinum Games a quality studio.
I'm a bit indifferent about using the Metal Gear name with this, as a fan of Metal Gear franchise there are certain expectations, but then again it is set and using characters from the MGS world, either way I'm going to get it.
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| Benza wrote: | | ... must bite... tounge.... |
Plz do, you have already stated you don't enjoy the long winded cut scenes. I'm pointing out that there may be new faces enjoying such content, which obviously indicates that some people in fact, won't.
I think I'm getting a God of War feeling about this game......
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: |
Man **** that, this is far far more exciting then anything kojima has put out. Hopefully with platnium games behind it we'll get an actual **** game not a bunch of long winded cut scenes with dollops of gameplay put throught it as an attempt to justify the fact that it's on the playstation instead of at the cinema. |
"Wants to neg SO much but won't because I accept differing opinions* 
I'd rather only watch all MGS's cutscnes than play a horrendously cheesy game like "Spayonetta"
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No, **** that. I don't play MGS to experience a **** beat em up [/i] |
While agree and I'm nowhere near as excited as some people, I'm still going to buy it.
Besides even MGS game have dabbled with this kind of stuff before.
In MGS Special Missions there were missions where you played as Ninja/Grey Fox.MGS2/MGS2S you could play as Raiden with a sword.Then there was the secret nightmare mini-game in MGS3.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'd rather only watch all MGS's cutscnes than play a horrendously cheesy game like "Spayonetta" |
Man this is one thing I don't understand, a lot of MGS fans have been slagging off Bayonetta for being cheesy, which fair call that game is ridiculously cheesy.
But how are you guys MGS fans without loving the cheese? Those games are cheesy as hell. They are like rolled in a bath of melted cheese and then drizzled with cheese sauce cheesy.
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| Benza wrote: |
But how are you guys MGS fans without loving the cheese? Those games are cheesy as hell. They are like rolled in a bath of melted cheese and then drizzled with cheese sauce cheesy. |
Either that's a different perspective kind of thing or the "cheese" is more subtle but I don't see how the MGS games are cheesy as hell
Seriously I wonder what the hell you're talking about
Besides Ray destroying the tanker, Vamp killing off the soldiers, Emma being killed. etc. are all imo DAMN good custcenes.
As far as I know it was only in the Bayonetta trailer but at least Snake doesn't look at thee screen and ask if you want to touch him
Seriously when that part happend, if I rolled my eyes any more than I did I would have been able to see inside my skull
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| Quote: | | but I don't see how the MGS games are cheesy as hell |
There's a character in the game who is covered in bees, who you fight while he shoots bees at you. Another character fights off his attack of bees by spinning his guns around really fast.
There is nothing about that series of events that isn't cheesy as hell.
There's a minute and a half long cutscene of nothing but ocelott spinning his guns really fancy for gods sake.
Also, this happened in the game
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| Benza wrote: | | There's a minute and a half long cutscene of nothing but ocelott spinning his guns |
Character Development.
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I like the part where a guy who calls himself Big Boss comes in defending a minute and a half of spinning guns in a Metal Gear game as solid character development.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: |
Also, this happened in the game
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At least she doesn't ask if we want to touch her 
Anyway scenes like the ones I mention outweigh the stuff like in that picture by like a billion
Hell a lot of MGS for me at least are more memorable than 99% of other games.
Anyway there's different kinds of "cheese."
Like how I love Austin Powers 1 and 3 but found 2 really boring.Or how some crazy people find Super Troopers funny while I find it the most retardedly unfunny comedy movie I have ever seen.
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| Quote: | | Hell a lot of MGS for me at least are more memorable than 99% of other games. |
See that's fine, when I say MGS is cheesy as hell that's not a bad thing. (The over drawn long winded pesudo intelectuall bullshit on the other hand...) good cheese is just as good as any drama.
But seriously, metal gear solid is about a bunch of genetically engineered super soliders trying to steal a giant robot that shoots nuclear bombs. If this was a movie it would be a direct to DVD b grade action flick.
The dialogue is cheesy as hell, the action scenes are typical over the top ludicrousness, even the emotional death scenes are these over blown melodramatic cheese fests.
Hell I'd actually argue that Bayonetta goes so far past the line of ridiculousness it stops being cheesy and starts just being insane (You turn into a giant hair monster that punches god into the sun for fucks sake) but MGS man, MGS is like 95% solid cheese.
Also I've gotta wonder about the comments knocking bayonetta for it's overt sexulisation, seriously did you guys play the same metal gear solid as me? Where the fact that you're fighting in the freezing snow isn't enough to convince sniper wolf to do up her damm jump suit?
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Just to emphasise the cheese point:
Metal Gear - The series where a bunch of murdering machines made of pure murder that can murder everyone without thinking twice while dancing around every bullet ever shot in the world... decide they need bigger murdering machines to take over the world.
The entire premise pays out American action movie premises, dontcha think?
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^That is why the series is fantastic. It's so awesomely over the top, though very 'anime'.
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| Benza wrote: |
even the emotional death scenes are these over blown melodramatic cheese fests. |
I found Emma's death to be the most emotional death in a game.The only comparable death for me was your gf being killed in The Darkness.
| Quote: | | (You turn into a giant hair monster that punches god into the sun for **** sake) |
That's awesome? Sounds like a load of shit to me
There's that perspective/opinion thing again.
| Quote: | | Also I've gotta wonder about the comments knocking bayonetta for it's overt sexulisation, seriously did you guys play the same metal gear solid as me? Where the fact that you're fighting in the freezing snow isn't enough to convince sniper wolf to do up her damm jump suit? |
You're comparing a bit of cleavage to stuff like a woman that becomes naked when pulling off certain moves.To quote The Mizz "Really?"
Man all those cheest dirty women oversexualising things by having their cleavage out while at the beach.
I get the whole context thing but completely naked women only covering the "rude" bits by hair is worse than a woman in the snow with a bit of cleavage showing.
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| Frozencry wrote: | | That is why the series is fantastic. |
I like the idea of the over the top stuff. The video for Rising is full of it.
But MGS2 onwards has forgotten that they're meant to be games and often devolves in to over-long cutscenes. Any game I have to watch more than I play gets my scorn.
Knowing that KojiPro is in charge of the story though? Well. They'd better show some restraint for a change because the actual game looks enjoyable.
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Man Benza, you sound like you used to date a girl who just absolutely loved MGS games, but then she dumped you and now you hold the games responsible for your broken heart.
Your arguments that its "cheesy" dont seem to be telling the full story....
So let me get this straight, cheesy that hits you with blunt force trauma (Bayonetta) is ok, but moments of subtle to Kojima-esk "cheesy" (your definition not mine) give you goose pimples?
You seem to hate MGS as much as i hate Square Enix.
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Okay, now it's time.
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Yeah no need to be like that.
Look at me and benza. Obviously we strongly disagree with each others tastes when it comes to two different games but we (well I'm TRYING to but don't know if I'm succeeding ) be mature about it and not let it get personal.
| Banefire wrote: | Man Benza, you sound like you used to date a girl who just absolutely loved MGS games, but then she dumped you and now you hold the games responsible for your broken heart.
Your arguments that its "cheesy" dont seem to be telling the full story....
So let me get this straight, cheesy that hits you with blunt force trauma (Bayonetta) is ok, but moments of subtle to Kojima-esk "cheesy" (your definition not mine) give you goose pimples?
You seem to hate MGS as much as i hate Square Enix. |
Well considering your post and admitting to the same hatred for a company, you must have had a gf that absolutely loved SE games blah blah blah
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| Gamesta wrote: | | Or how some crazy people find Super Troopers funny while I find it the most retardedly unfunny comedy movie I have ever seen. |
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| Quote: | | but moments of subtle to Kojima-esk "cheesy" (your definition not mine) give you goose pimples? |
What? No? I explicitly said that cheesy is not bad? I used italics and everything. | me wrote: | when I say MGS is cheesy as hell that's
not a bad thing. |
I like cheesy, I fucking love it. I own Big Tits zombies in 3d on DVD, I fucking thrive on it.
Seriously I haven't meant anything I've written on this page other then the sentence about it being try hard intellectualism as a criticisim.
Also if you think anything about metal gear solid is subtle, you and me have a very different definition of the word.
If you must know, my dislike for Metal Gear Solid stems entirley from playing a game for 3 hours and having to watch over 4 hours of cutscenes for it. Including a 45 minute long cutscene on the history nuclear disarmament. That shit is just fucking unnecessary
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And Gamesta, again I'm not saying any of that is bad. Cheesy can be emotional, hell watch the begining of Up, that shit is cheesy and emotionaly manipulative as hell and I cried like a fucking bitch.
The clevage for Sniper Wolf is entirely appropriate in the game since the game is clearly not giving a shit about logic and just playing up the cheesy action movie cliches.
It just seems weird that so many MGS fans are coming out and saying that they can't stand the over sexualisation and cheesyness of something like Bayonetta when MGS is fucking full of it.
| Quote: | | games but we (well I'm TRYING to but don't know if I'm succeeding icon_lol.gif ) be mature about it and not let it get personal. |
Aww you know I love you baby.
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| GooberMan wrote: | | I like the part where a guy who calls himself Big Boss comes in defending a minute and a half of spinning guns in a Metal Gear game as solid character development. |
HAHAHA..... It's also building the tension.
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| BigBoss wrote: | | GooberMan wrote: | | I like the part where a guy who calls himself Big Boss comes in defending a minute and a half of spinning guns in a Metal Gear game as solid character development. |
HAHAHA..... It's also building the tension. |
oh wait you were being serious? I seriously thought the bit about it being character development was a joke?
How can it be character development if any part that it's supposed to be developing was already established 2 games ago? What's the development, that ocelot is a show off and can spin guns really well? That isn't a development that's an established character trait by the point the cut scene plays in 3.
Again it has a purpose, that doesn't mean it's not cheesy as hell.
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | Gamesta wrote: | | Or how some crazy people find Super Troopers funny while I find it the most retardedly unfunny comedy movie I have ever seen. |
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I seriously can't fathom how anyone with two brain cells to rub together can find that movie funny.I'm surprised I even have more than two brain cells after watching it
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Aww you know I love you baby. |
Hey you said you wouldn't say that in public
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