If Quake was done today...

[Frozencry]

Oh my God at this video.

In 2:53, this video showed exactly why I dislike where FPS games are heading. Skill-based FPS has long been dying out and there's no more of that pure exhiliration you get from jumping around like a nutcase firing away at everything around you.

Discuss. State of FPS.
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[Jarrod]

Mobility in FPS is mostly dead, at least for the mass market, because stupid fuckheads think a completely different style of play somehow equates to evolution of the entire fucking genre. It's about as rational as trying to pass off Gran Turismo as an evolution of Mario Kart, when neither game aims for even remotely comparable gameplay and core design philosophy.

Slower, focused and streamlined play also caters the common lazy gamer who cannot for the life of them be fucked putting any effort into character movement and spatial awareness, let alone exploration and discover, and would rather be spoon fed heavily scripted cinematic sequences and whack-a-mole shooting gallery level design like a fat American gobbles up cheap takeaway, lapping up forgettable, disposable garbage in a couple of hours so they can quickly move on to the next cheap thrill.

But hey, this stuff sells, so who gives a shit about Quake or Doom? They're TOO OLD and TOO FAST and BORING. Where's the helicopters and tanks crashing into shit? Where's the cliché emotional cinematic score? Where's the badly written two dimension characters and plot that was scribed on Tom Clancy's toilet roll? Where's the iron sights? Where's the slow stop-and-pop gameplay which remains sterile from start to finish? Why do I have to think and interact Denny?! I don't want to play games, I want to play MOVIES!

Fuck you all for ruining my favourite genre. Asswipes.

*kicks bucket*

*writes angry letter to ABC*

*falls asleep in rocking chair*
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[WarAdept]

I don't touch the FPS genre these days. Haven't bothered with Battlefield onwards, same with Call of Duty. Gave some of the other games such as Brink and Rage a go, didn't do anything for me. The golden days of Quake and UT for the PC and Goldeneye/Perfect Dark for the console are over.

The thing is, the older twitch based FPS games were all about full control and brilliant level design. Coupled with some serious split second techniques almost made the metagame an entirely different game itself from what you got when you first bought the game. Unfortunately, the majority of people can't ascend to that level and it's really just how society works nowadays. People want it easy, to be spoon fed and given visual splendours without any effort whatsoever.

The only FPS game I play is TF2 and that's because I like the art style and sillyness of it.

[Shadow Wave]

What I miss about FPS is simply being able to hold the Forward Button and never let go of it.
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[Jarrod]

[GooberMan]

Honestly, if I had the time, I've been wanting to make an old school FPS for a few years now. Just as an exercise in Pure Gaming and to see if people will still buy such a thing.
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[Jarrod]

Given that UE3, CE3, and soon Source are all open source engines built primarily for FPS, you should.

I'll do the sound effects with my voice and offer valuable, harsh criticism for all your designs.

Work with me trust me its good stuff.
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[Esposch]

[Frozencry]

Work with me and I'll make it tough as nails and designed around competitive gaming.
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[mikezilla2]

work with me and I'll film you in suggestive positions

*wait did i just say that *
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[IISpacebreakII]

Work with me and I'll make the levels genuinely fun, with easter eggs and friggen secrets everywhere.

Hell, I'll put a painting in the game you can jump into and play a platforming level, mario-style.

[Zhou]

Pros/Cons of mainstreaming fps

cons

-crappy storylines with even crappier story lines (I'm looking at YOU dead island)

-stupidly linear corridor gameplay

-not enough love being put into the pc versions (devs preferring to work on console version and doing poor ports to pc being in vogue these days). The roll on effect here being simplified controls/gameplay for the restricted range of movement and control you have with only a controller as opposed to mouse/kb.




pros (puts on flame suit)

-If it wasn't for mainstreaming of said games gamers like me would just get owned by pros like Denny and co. repeatedly. and just rage. At least we have a fighting chance to even get one kill in on them.

In other words, it makes it more accessible to those who are not were not trained as part of a military program to produce an army of super gamers.


and uhm..well thats about all the pros I could think of.

*edit*

ah. Pretty much what I said was already covered by WarAdept
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[Cyph]

[Esposch]

[GooberMan]

[Jarrod]

Doom + Metroid

Anything + Metroid

Metroid
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[Zhou]

[Pagan's Mind]

I was never a huge fan of Quake 3. I liked it but not religiously like some players. Unreal Tournament was the kind of game I absolutely adored though. That and Battlefield 1942 / Desert Combat were the main two games I played through my high school years.

[IISpacebreakII]

This was initially an edit of my last post, but somehow before I finished typing it 7 replies were posted, gg guys XD;

Edit; Really though, some fps games do things I like, others just copy it like nonsense. I really wish out of all the genres of games that fps wasn't the one to become 'casual'. Like some games did things I really liked, Halo and it's health regeneration and 2 weapon system, gears and it's covering and running system, call of duty 4 with it's cinematic sequences.

But then every game tried copying and recycling other games, and they're right about making games simpler for mass appeal. (I don't understand why the more content-rich games often get less commercial success).

Nearly every series is forgoing it's own uniqueness because they think copying the opposition will work. I like Halo's Health regeneration, didn't mean I wanted it in every damn game. I liked Call of Duty's .45 seconds to kill anything type of gameplay, yet again didn't mean I wanted it in every game.

The thing's I miss most though, are the complex FPS single player story's and maps, cool secret areas, epic characters, post-game bonuses, nonsensical weapons like the UT Redeemer.

It's not good to wish you could go back 10-15 years to play these games when they were first released, with a community that appreciated and loved them.

[Frozencry]

[Mike\]

[Shadow Wave]

[GooberMan]

Never played Doom too much I take it?

The BFG is one of the most lethal weapons in multiplayer if you can manage to use cover to your advantage. Specifically, let the ball out close to a wall and then step out from it. The ball explodes giving the wall, well, 0 damage. But then thanks to the magic of the BFG, rays then shoot out from your current position in the general direction you were facing when you shot it thus decimating anyone that you're now in front of.

Not to mention the silent BFG glitch. Drop off a ledge, start firing just before you land, the charge sound is replaced by a grunt.

tl;dr - Don't play me in Doom. Unless you're Denny.
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[ThunderCurls]

Sure is "back in my day..." in here.
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[Jellyfish]

I must admit I never enjoyed those early FPS. Duke Nukem 3D was at least interesting to me because there were submarines, strippers and toilets. Doom was really quite boring. However unlike others I could only play such games maybe once a month for fifteen minutes. Modern games are at least a bit more interesting than just bland corridors with enemies hurling fireballs at you.

I don't think you'll see the return of anything like Doom or Quake simply because the people who love those games are pretty happy with what they've got and people who haven't experienced them just wouldn't care. I can't really see a cinematic trailer that will catch people's attention. Even if someone does make one, they'll be ripped to shreds by places like IGN and whatnot for being unimaginative and linear.

But what would I know, I'm an RTS player and find Zelda games boring as hell.