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| Love to Hate #18 by Cian |  | | PALGN Feature: Sam, I am disappoint. | | [View Article] |
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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i haven't played this, but this trend in games being pretty easy on hard is getting worrying. I hate to think what easy is like in a lot of games these days.
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Nice write up Cian. Personally, I hated Conviction and it killed the series for me. Stuff a wider audience, if the game sucks it sucks. As you said, just another third person shooter.
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I notice how many games they have killed by going for a wider audience even though the core game was popular in the first place
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I liked how different it was compared to the traditional game, something different.... this might be because i was not very good at the traditional game (always had one alert on one mission here and there).
That being said i did trade it a while after finishing it, the co-op did nothing for me. I would pick it up again at some point (probably the pc version during another Steam price reduction!).
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Picked conviction up during a steam sale, and i'll be honest, even though i'd heard it was a different game to the predecessors, i though it would still feel like a splinter cell game. Man was i wrong.
I really want to see more of what they were originally going to do with Conviction, with Hobo Sam fighting with chairs around DC. All i ever saw was screenshot, but i was more interested in that game then the one we got.
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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i liked it  but im not a big fan of stealth games  conviction wasnt a stealth game, but it was fun for me.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Everything in this article is what I'm worried the new Hitman will be.
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| PALGN wrote: | | The average gamer deserves it for being patient, accepting countless delays and frustrations. |
Stopped reading right here. Explain to me the bit where you deserve anything, because I can't get my head around it. Especially after all your doing nothing to actually craft the game.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:18 am Post subject: |
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The bit where he was a consumer and they were trying to sell a product to him.
A game they built a fanbase around, the same fanbase they need to keep buying the game to be able to crap out more sequels
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| thecomicrelief wrote: | | PALGN wrote: | | The average gamer deserves it for being patient, accepting countless delays and frustrations. |
Stopped reading right here. Explain to me the bit where you deserve anything, because I can't get my head around it. Especially after all your doing nothing to actually craft the game. |
Because he has this:
It's a matter of opportunity cost and brand loyalty. Instead of spending time and money elsewhere, he's spent his patience on waiting for this title, for which he's already invested a significant tangible and intagible amount. And since his money is paying the wages of those who crafted it, so yes, he does deserve a certain expectation to be met.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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to be fair just cause he has cash doesn't mean he deserves quality for it. There are plenty of shitty games out there that cost money. Yeah seeing a game series you love turn to shit sucks.
But you don't actually deserve quality, you deserve the product you chose to buy. So unless Cian handed over the cash and then got a different game disc or something it's not a matter of what you deserve at all. I mean I bought bioshock expecting a game that wasn't arse. I sure as hell didn't deserve anything else though.
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| Benza wrote: | | But you don't actually deserve quality, you deserve the product you chose to buy. |
That is some dumb shit. If you pay for ANYTHING, you expect and deserve it do be a certain quality, especially if you work hard for that money. Be it anything from a coaster to a car to a house. If you pay for it, you expect and deserve quality. And as I said, we're paying the developers wages - you wouldn't be happy if you paid a builder to fix your roof but it still ends up with leaks in it.
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| Jeremy wrote: | | And as I said, we're paying the developers wages - you wouldn't be happy if you paid a builder to fix your roof but it still ends up with leaks in it. |
That's a completely different thing. The game still works. I'm not talking quality of workmanship. If you paid 80 bucks for a game and got a buggy broken game that's one thing. That (At least from Cian's articles) isn't what happened. He got a game and didn't like the direction it went with the game. That's something else entirely.
As a paying customer you have no say in what direction a game takes, you have no right to have a say or place any expectation on what direction a game takes with it's story or game play.
You can either choose to pay to support the direction it takes or not.
I'm not saying don't get pissed off. When they change a game around that you like it sucks and you can get pissed off, but you're not entitled to shit. Your entitled to the game you paid for and what it is. Nothing more.
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| Quote: | | As a paying customer you have no say in what direction a game takes, you have no right to have a say or place any expectation on what direction a game takes with it's story or game play. |
But i think this is half the problem for a lot of developers these days, they do listen to every man and his dog and some games end up being like homers website
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I've learned that defending what I write is a waste of time, so I'll only say this...
We pay for games, we keep the industry functioning, therefore we deserve quality.
If that doesn't click with you, then google economics.
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But Conviction was a quality game. Top notch presentation in a cohesive package. I played it like a stealth shooter - sure you didn't have to, but that doesn't mean you couldn't - and found it much better than the 'stick to the path or die' of previous splinter cell games.
God forbid someone tries to take a stale series in a fresh direction, hey? Conviction isn't the problem with the industry. Stupid pointless articles like this is the problem, and the fact you don't even want to bother backing up your flamebait speaks volumes.
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i don't remember you being such a large douche before, what happened, what part of opinion piece don't you quite understand, it is a fairly simple concept.
I understand that he doesn't like it, you do, but i am sure you can get your point across without being a wanker about it
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I'm 100% with what Cian has to say on this topic. Conviction was a crap SPLINTER CELL game.
You can bake an awesome looking chocolate cake, place it carefully in a nicely presented box, but when I bite into it and it takes like dirt, then it's a bad chocolate cake.
And I'll want my money back thanks.
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| Fetidchimp wrote: | i don't remember you being such a large douche before, what happened, what part of opinion piece don't you quite understand, it is a fairly simple concept.
I understand that he doesn't like it, you do, but i am sure you can get your point across without being a wanker about it |
So opinion piece = free reign to spew hyperbolic "one of the most disappointing games ever made"? The article reeks of elitism, the old boys (or girls) club, "back in my day we walked uphill both ways and Splinter Cell was a stealth game dagnabbit!"
Sometimes opinions aren't worth sharing. Read the letters to the editor in any weekend rag.
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Well obviously SOMEONE agrees with Cian drinniol. If you played and enjoyed the previous Splinter Cell games (for what they were), then yes, Conviction was a disappointment; it was nothing like them.
So what's your point? That you enjoyed it because it was a different game? Great, but that's not Cian's point, his is the opposite. He can have his opinion but it seems since you disagree, he can not.
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This thread amuses me.
I actually haven't played Conviction yet as I've got a massive stack of other games to play, though from what I have heard it's a massive change of direction from the original Splinter Cell games which yeah, I can imagine would piss off a good portion of fans. Plus 4-5 hours of easypeezy single player screams "streamlining for the masses", which doesn't sit well with my elitist gamer opinion. (damn right I'm an elitist)
It's kinda like the new PoP, which I just couldn't get into as opposed to the trilogy on last gen consoles, which were amazing. Orbs pissed me off, the gameplay didn't feel exciting, and I found the ending to be pretty overhyped. But hey the trailers were great and it looked really good, so there's some positives for a game that put me to sleep half the time.
| drinniol wrote: | | Sometimes opinions aren't worth sharing. Read the letters to the editor in any weekend rag. |
I don't like your opinion so shut up.
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| drinniol wrote: |
God forbid someone tries to take a stale series in a fresh direction, hey? Conviction isn't the problem with the industry. Stupid pointless articles like this is the problem, and the fact you don't even want to bother backing up your flamebait speaks volumes. |
Running around, killing people with headshots, while smashing everything in your pathway is not a fresh direction. Splinter Cell was one of the last types of unique shooters left man. Not only that but people still loved the franchise, it didn't even need a gameplay change. Just give people what they want and polish it like crazy. If they wanted it to play like this then they could have just added it as a bonus mode or DLC or mod or something. In fact that would of made it epic.
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