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A l e x : I'm loving my Canon EOS 550D. It seems to be able to do just about anything you could want.
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Yea i noticed that was really popular, would that be my best choice then?
And what about lenses? I've got no idea really how they work or what all the numbers mean, but one of the things i want to do is wide angle pics of like the sunrise at the beach etc whats good for that?
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You can tell wide angle lenses by their focal length, measured in millimetres, which is one of "the numbers". If the focal length is a range (18-55mm) then the lens can zoom in/out between those focal lengths. The lower the focal length, the wider the angle of view.
The widest/smallest I've heard of is 10mm which is 96 degrees of horizontal view on the 550D. The basic kit lens you can get with the 550D is 18-55mm, so that's between 63 and 23 degrees horizontal view on that camera.
On the better, more expensive cameras you get bigger, "full-frame" sensors which give you even wider views. Those cameras are probably as waste on beginners like us though 
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EF 16-35mm f/2.8 L
EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS
EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
There's a few lens examples, the EF bit is the mount type, Canons EF lenses work on every Canon DSLR, EF-S lenses are only compatible with the lower end crop bodies.
The next numbers (mm) as grim stated are the focal length, the lower the number, the wider the fov, higher numbers are more "zoomed in".
The f/ number is the maximum aperture width, lower the better, it means the lens is capable of letting more light in, and this reduces the required shutter speed, ie less shaky cam blur.
The L means luxury, the highest grade models earn this marker.
IS means image stabilized, mechanisms help to prevent camera shake while shooting, most useful on telephoto lenses (100mm and over)
USM means ultra sonic motor, if present, the lens has a better focusing mechanism responsible for auto focus, quieter and faster
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Cool thanks for the info guys  ill have a look into it all and report back with what ive decided on before i purchase it.
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As a Nikon fanboy I feel it is my duty to inform you of their existence too when you're researching which camera to buy =P
That being said, depending on how much you're willing to spend I'd probably go with the 550D as well.
If you're willing the spend more the Nikon D7000 is a great camera. If I could afford it I'd be upgrading from my D5000 in a snap.
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So i was looking around for prices and different models, and i think i could afford getting the 7D, forget that im a beginner for a sec, is it worth the extra to get one? im not sure what differences there are in higher end models really so no idea
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A13x will probably give you better detail, but the 7D benefits over the cheaper 60D I can see are:
- better autofocus system (19 points vs 9) - but it's manual focus is more fun
- faster continuous shooting (8 frames/sec vs 5.3)
- environment sealing
They both seem to have the same sort of photo sensor and viewfinder. 60D will net you a moveable screen though.
IMHO get the cheaper 60D if you want to spend that much cash, save some money for lenses. I think the much nicer viewfinder in the 60D is the only real step up from the 550D/600D - it's enough to make me wish I got one of them though
Here's the timeline and gradings of the Canon EOS DSLRs and the same thing for Nikon ones
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Yea by the looks of it you're right would be better saving the difference between the 60D and 7D for lenses etc no point buying it just cause i can when its not really needed.
I found this for $1270, its 1k without the lenses so they are $270, good deal?
- EOS 60D Body
- Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
- Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS
Theres also a few more with different lenses, this is the cheapest though.
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You might want to check who covers the warranty with anyone you buy from online. A lot of places import from HK or JP and I'm not sure if camera bodies have international warranties. I know Canon lenses do.
| TopBuy.com.au wrote: | - Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS $124.15 + shipping
- Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS $211.75 + shipping |
An extra $270 for the twin lens kit seems reasonable.
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| grim-one wrote: | | You might want to check who covers the warranty with anyone you buy from online. A lot of places import from HK or JP and I'm not sure if camera bodies have international warranties. |
| Quote: | | Our industry unique Door2Doorâ„¢ warranty policy is years ahead of our competitors'. If you buy a camera, camcorder, DSLR, or even lens and flashes from us, it is under the cover of our Door2Doorâ„¢ warranty for one year with the choice of extended warranty. The warranty states that if the product you brought ever become defective due to manufacturer's fault, we, Citiwide, will send a courier to your door, pick up the malfunctioning unit, send it back to our office, repair it, and send it back to your door! All of this FREE!!! Yes, you read right, FREE! |
So you think that package is the way to go?
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| grim-one wrote: | | You might want to check who covers the warranty with anyone you buy from online. A lot of places import from HK or JP and I'm not sure if camera bodies have international warranties. I know Canon lenses do. |
Bodies don't have international warranties, only Canon Lenses.
As above, unless you need a high frame rate for something like sports or aviation, go for the 60D instead as it'll be overkill and money wasted which could be used for something more valuable like a lens.
For starting lenses, my recommendation would be to get kit if it's all you can afford, if not...
EF 100mm f/2.8 L IS USM
It's a macro lens, very crisp and good as a multipurpose short telephoto lens to boot. f/2.8 is pretty good for that nice "OMG DSLR Depth of Field!" moment too, and macro experimentation is quite rewarding.
If it's too expensive, get the non IS version, that's what I have, still exceptionally good quality.
EF 17-40mm f/4.0 L USM
If you're after a wide angle zoom that won't destroy the bank, this is a good choice, if you plan on doing landscapes or interior shots, check this one out.
EF 50mm f/1.8 II
The nifty fifty, cheapest, worst feeling lens outside of the 18-55mm kit lenses, but unbeatable quality for the money due to it's absolute simplicity. Great low light performance and pretty sharp, worth it for <$150.
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| A13x wrote: | | grim-one wrote: | | You might want to check who covers the warranty with anyone you buy from online. A lot of places import from HK or JP and I'm not sure if camera bodies have international warranties. I know Canon lenses do. |
Bodies don't have international warranties, only Canon Lenses.
As above, unless you need a high frame rate for something like sports or aviation, go for the 60D instead as it'll be overkill and money wasted which could be used for something more valuable like a lens.
For starting lenses, my recommendation would be to get kit if it's all you can afford, if not...
EF 100mm f/2.8 L IS USM
It's a macro lens, very crisp and good as a multipurpose short telephoto lens to boot. f/2.8 is pretty good for that nice "OMG DSLR Depth of Field!" moment too, and macro experimentation is quite rewarding.
If it's too expensive, get the non IS version, that's what I have, still exceptionally good quality.
EF 17-40mm f/4.0 L USM
If you're after a wide angle zoom that won't destroy the bank, this is a good choice, if you plan on doing landscapes or interior shots, check this one out.
EF 50mm f/1.8 II
The nifty fifty, cheapest, worst feeling lens outside of the 18-55mm kit lenses, but unbeatable quality for the money due to it's absolute simplicity. Great low light performance and pretty sharp, worth it for <$150. |
Awesome thanks for that, what would be a decent price for lens 1 and 2?
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| Quote: | EF 100mm f/2.8 L IS USM
It's a macro lens, very crisp and good as a multipurpose short telephoto lens to boot. f/2.8 is pretty good for that nice "OMG DSLR Depth of Field!" moment too, and macro experimentation is quite rewarding.
If it's too expensive, get the non IS version, that's what I have, still exceptionally good quality.
EF 17-40mm f/4.0 L USM
If you're after a wide angle zoom that won't destroy the bank, this is a good choice, if you plan on doing landscapes or interior shots, check this one out. |
I paid about $500 for the non-L non-IS version of the top macro lens. The fancy "L IS" version is more like $1000
Second lens seems to be about $900
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| A13x wrote: | EF 50mm f/1.8 II
The nifty fifty, cheapest, worst feeling lens outside of the 18-55mm kit lenses, but unbeatable quality for the money due to it's absolute simplicity. Great low light performance and pretty sharp, worth it for <$150. |
I can't recommend this lens enough. It should, quite honestly, be the first lens you buy after you get the camera. It's especially awesome for taking photos of people because you can set the aperture really wide and lose everything but your subject in the bokeh.
It's also great if you want to use your DSLR as a (somewhat large) point-and-shoot. The compact size of the lens means that it can be carried pretty easily, and what you lack in zoom you can make up for in awesome photography.
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So should i just get all 3? and whats the difference between the first one and the non-L non-IS version of it, from what i can see its to do with auto focus? is that not really needed?
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No image stabilization on the non IS model, quality is much the same, but the IS will help quite a bit especially for macros in less than ideal light, and well any other time you need to get away with longer exposures.
If you can afford to, getting all 3 will give you a lot to play with and learn. Macros and headshots with 100mm, landscapes and interiors with 17-40mm and low-light/upper body with the 50mm
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Alright thanks for all the info, i had a look into all the prices and worked out the 3 lenses at $1931 and for the 60D its $1026 so total of $2957, i'm pretty sure that's the best i can get for it all for? i could cut a little off but its gonna be around 28-2900 either way.
Edit: Got it down to $2785
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Has anyone tried video at night under street lights?
Friend is looking for a solution to film such a setting as his camcorder isn't coping. He's looking at picking up a Canon SLR (he says 7D, I'm telling him to get a cheaper one) to do it with. I told him he could try out or borrow my 550D first but I'm not sure what sort of lens would be best.
Do you guys think the EF 50mm f/1.8 II might cope?
I've been thinking about picking one of them up anyway. $150 in-store around here in Perth.
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he could even go the 60D if he still wanting some better quality, and 60d also has the rotatable screen etc so it might even suit better for video?
Grim have you thought about buying a grey import of the 50mm? they're about $80ish.
I would love to get into Video.. I wish my 50D had video options.... can't wait to upgrade to the 5D 3 whenever that comes out...
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Night shooting's more about how well your sensor handles low-light situations than it is about the lens you're using. The 60D will perform better than the 500D due to having a bigger sensor. Check how high you can crank the ISO, as well.
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| StorminNorman wrote: | | The 60D will perform better than the 500D due to having a bigger sensor. Check how high you can crank the ISO, as well. |
| Shadow Wave wrote: | | Grim have you thought about buying a grey import of the 50mm? they're about $80ish. |
Yeah I would, but I want it for the weekend
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@ Grim.
The 50mm 1.8 will definitely cope under basic street lights with very little noise. No IS though so handheld footage needs a steadicam or shoulder mount etc.
Also, the lens is plastic and a very cheap build (don't let it put you off though) so I'd recommend buying locally for warranty purposes. $150 is still a bargain for what you get.
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Cheers dlo. My purposes are just for testing, but I might crack out the tripod =)
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