Nintendo would be 'embarrassed' by Project Natal and Playsta

[Parha_ha]

Just got to love how some gamers feel that companies owe them something and get ridiculed for making money on a product. I always thought the idea of business was to make money wasn't it? But nah, the whole world must be wrong and being done an incredibly disservice because Nintendo is selling much more than Sony and Microsoft.

Natal looks interesting enough, good to see that it isn't a fairly blatant imitation that the Move is but Sony have seemed to be a trick or two behind the others this generation what with the rumble and backwards compatibility at least.

Can't blame Reggie for running his mouth either, that's why we love him. I've always gotten the impression that Nintendo have had something up their sleeve just waiting until the right moment (for them) to bust it out on the world. That's what I hope at least.
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[Jarrod]

The idiocy in this thread is pretty astounding. I was going to debate with some of you, but I'm not going to bother since its clear some of you have a some rather childish pent up issues with Nintendo and the Wii, and seem deluded enough to believe they dont make good enough games or something.

But whatever. Live in your little bubbles.
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[THEMAN]

^ so says the poster with the Palgn nintendo fanboy sig.
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[battlegrub]

[Jarrod]

[waz79]

Whats really epic about this quote is that this is the first time in a LONG LONG TIME that Nintendo have said anything slightly insulting about their competitors.

Nintendo are more often than not the only gentlemen in the room. Damn, its good to be back on palgn but seriously, get over yourselves.
I don't think the mote or natal have a chance of matching Wii Fits total worldwide, even if you combine them.

[waz79]

This is one perspective from a kotaku regular on the bias thrown at "sony's innovative and new controller". Frankly, the hypocracy being shown only demonstrates how manipulated you are by these "respected" journalists.

"We've been trying to notice every little thing about the PlayStation Move this week."

erm, not the drawbacks (based on your recent articles.)

for example:
#1. "Potential Positive: Who cares about the potential negatives. We're talking — almost — about Minority Report-style motion-based movement of things on a big screen. Swinging arms to select things on a TV is the definition of "the future.""

.... *eye rolls*

I'd love to see the reaction had Sony abstained from the motion race and Nintendo implemented this technique.

#2. "a maneuver that might be using both the Move's gyroscope and the camera-blocking technique to determine that it was completed"
"Potential Positive: A new input has been introduced via this maneuver, essentially a new "button" in the repertoire of motion control."

camera blocking is a new button?
... you're kidding, right? how far backwards are you gonna bend over for this product?

first of all, your recent article said Sony's fewer buttons were a nice "streamlined" approach. so which is it?
secondly, if you want, you could throw a wiimote out the window. bang - no more detection. it's like a new button!!

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Kotaku should either:

A) be journalists
B) stop writing articles about Move
or
C) sign on with Sony and at least get paid for these advertorials.

I'm not sure I've seen the word "casual" once in a Move article. or a time when they acknowledged Nintendo's paving the way for this device.
instead we're reminded how NOT like the wiimote it is. - Chocobo Shepherd

Links and comments are through here - http://kotaku.com/5492721/two-surprise-playstation-move-maneuvers

[Smurf80]

[Cyph]

[He need to cut the ego.]

I don't want to contribute much because I've already made my feelings (disappointment) known plenty of times here regarding the Wii, but I will say this: sales figures don't negate criticism.

[battlegrub]

[?oe?oe]

I can definitely see some suicidal gamers next generation when all three consoles incorporate motion control to various degrees
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[kartanym]

Motion control isn't the be all and end all of gaming. I'm in no way interested in playing every single game on the market that requires me to wave my hands around like an idiot.

Case in point, every game I've played on the Wii that I've enjoyed, barely include anything in the way of pure motion control. I seriously doubt, too, that I'll be picking up either Microsoft's or Sony's iteration of the technology.

But that's not to say there isn't some good in it all. With the right setup and the right game, there's plenty that can be made from it. I just haven't seen anything yet that convinces me.

On the subject of sales, the Wii is a family console, hence it's success. The fact that Microsoft and Sony are competing at that level now just shows the impact Nintendo has made on the gaming landscape in the last few years. And as much as we criticise it, the numerous games with poor visuals and low scores across the board, it's these games and those companies that are keeping the gaming scene afloat. Without them, I'd say the industry wouldn't be as prominent now without it. Let's be fair, Nintendo has opened the gaming scene up to a whole new generation, just as they did with the NES and Game Boy all those years ago.

[Charlie_Miso]

[He need to cut the ego.]

[Jarrod]

[Cyph]

Not to criticise, maybe I've been spoilt, but after playing Yakuza 3, Demons Souls, FF13, Uncharted 2 and all the other awesome stuff (graphics and gameplay wise) that has been coming out recently on the PC, 360 and PS3, watching my 4 year old cousin play Mario on his Wii really made it stand out that the graphics on that thing are severely lacking. Sure, it's a cash cow and it's damn popular, but there must be a creative limit that Nintendo and other developers will hit using that hardware, if they have not already.

[He need to cut the ego.]

[thatavguy]

wow.. what a bunch of whining going on in this thread.

Shovel-ware.... does no one remember the ps2?? isn't this just common for the most popular console at the time??

Money Making... Yup Nintendo made a good choice and made lots of money - I don't see them laughing in Gamers faces.... Perhaps your not their target market if you think that! Doesn't mean you have to Rag on them for being a Successful business.

Motion Control for new Systems - Good for them.. catching up... but I thought all the "Hardcore" gamers who went after the 360 or ps3 didn't want this anyway? because it was a gimmick.. is it not still a gimmick??

What I would like to see is someone releasing something new, like head tracking!!! Now that'd be cool - I really don't care who brings it out, I'd just want to play it!

Fanboys... Lots of name calling going on... isn't it funny how the people who call others Fanboys sound awfully like Fanboys themselves??

My Advice, Buy a Console that suits what you want out of it, if Graphics are a big deal to you then obviously don't get them wii! If not then its an option - Personally I still love the big titles that have come out on the wii, they have been great fun, and there certainly has been a decent amount of them to make me happy.

and one final thought

For all those people who really care about Graphics!
Why are you not then more in the PC market.. Where Graphics Cards can be upgraded.. I know they aren't getting better as all games are basically designed around the consoles Capabilities, but if there was a bigger Market - Someone's bound to target it : Just a Thought..

[pom013]

-Microsoft has set an immense precedence for what an online gaming service should be.
-Sony has demonstrated that a games console can be used for more than just gaming, repositioning the console as a central element of a home entertainment system.
-Nintendo has pioneered the development of innovative thinking for player interface.

In truth, all three of these companies have brought something unique to the table. Graphics alone aren't the be all and end all of this generation (or the last as Nintendo learned the hard way). Apart from the hardcore market, graphics are not a major consideration; The majority of the market is far more concerned with cost, available software and the game play experience.

Something else to think about, if nintendo had brought us an HD capable machine, developers would not have been pushed like they have been to creatively compensate for the wii's lack of power. I.e. the stylised graphics of Red Steel 2 or No More Heros. Sure these games could look better, but would they still have the same unique identity?

[ArcherGrave]

[jprockbelly]

[Jarrod]

You're a goldmine, Archer.
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[barrett]

And this from a company that thought the compact disc wasn't an innovation and thus gave birth to it's greatest competitor - the playstation 1,2 & 3.

[realitybites]

Well I think historically they all "steal" a little innovation from each other and to be really frank why shouldn't they unless it infringes patents of course.

Analogue stick on the N64 was a good idea (thumb position was a tad ordinary IMHO) so PS dual shock set the precedence after that.

The greater capacity from CD/DVDs led to the changes on the GameCube. Eventually there will be a hi def Wii because Dad will look at GT 5 on a PS3 and go I need that to play racing sims.

You know I'd be pretty pissed car driver if they didn't improve tires from the first Ford shipped.

An bleating about too many Mario games is like asking Disney to stop using Mickey Mouse. Its not going to happen.

The revelation of casual gamers has spread beyond consoles to Facebook and the iPhone. So whilst Nintendo has quietly stolen a huge PS2 fan base (lets face it PS2 had most of those family oriented titles) casual gaming has spiraled out in other forms.