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Russel is overrated IMHO, he hides things, runs around talking smack and appears to be the only person to actually watch a previous season to make the common sense link that "generally speaking the only hidden idols away from camp were on Exile Island, and since there isn't an island to get sent to that must mean..." He was helped out by his tribe generally being inept idiots at the game, seriously look at him when he's talking to people, he's nearly always got that "naughty boy" look of someone who just took a dump in your shoe or something.
The episode tonight was Tyson diverting from the plan based on being naive, it had sweet nada to do with Russels "play" since Rob had him covered and everyone but Tyson followed suit. Now no more idol, now what instead of 6v3 it's 5v3. He's still banking a hell of a lot on winning challenges, he's still pretty much royally screwed.
quite frankly he is lucky the Heroes tribe is as woeful as they are.
Coach-Courtney-Terri-Rob-Sandra > Russel-Parvati-Dani
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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^^^ Again, an interesting point, yet I still disagree.
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You say Russel's play had nothing to do with skill and all to do with Tyson screwing up royally, But the whole reason Tyson flopped (while making no sense) was Russel's plan, he knew Tyson would be the only one naive and short sighted enough to flop his vote, he knew Tyson would rather Parvati gone and he used that to remove him from the game. Do you really think that Russel would've given up immunity if he had even the smallest doubt that it would be him? Russel made a big risky move, which is his play style, and so far, he's succeeded more than not.
Second point, you saying that Russel is overrated because he used common sense to link that hidden immunity idols were at camp... well yeah, sort of, but the fact that: 1. He was the first person to do it succesfully (there may have been people look in the past, and come up with nothing so they didn't air it) It was the fact that Russel was able to find them, clue or without clue, and not just one, but 2 without clues and one with, WHILE everyone else was looking for it as well.
Third point, Russel may still be able to, and is now more likely to, flip Coach to his side, creating a 4:4 Villians tribe, and worst comes to worst, he should be able to convince people to get rid of Parvati should it come down to the crunch. Soon after should be (but not necessarily) the merge. (They did it at 12 people left last season. and from the seasons i've watched the merge is largely if not entirely around ep 7 or 8) Should this happen a few things could happen depending on the situation.
1. Next episode, Heroes Win Immunity. This forces Russel to convince people like Coach and Jerri to remove Parvati, who they desperately want gone. Then merge, and Russel and Danielle become the swing votes and we go from there.
2. Next Episode Heroes Lose Immunity. Russel is safe, makes it to the merge, and Russel, Parvati and Danielle are Still the swing vote.
Now those are both assuming that Parvati and Danielle stay with Russel for the time being, and I can't see them betraying him, since they wouldn't really be accepted into Rob's alliance.
And last point, Russel doesn't necessarily need to rely on Villians winning, apart from the previously mentioned scenarios. He could use his amazing common sense to find another hidden immunity idol, since he now knows that there is one at camp, and since he's used it they (The Show) have most likely hidden another one. And I don't think Rob, or anyone else on either tribe except for Russel, will have any idea whether that is true, as as far as I know, no one has seen Russel's season.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | After that i dont think anyone can argue russel isnt a great player. B-Rob got outplayed, simple as that. Its evil russel all over again.  |
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Felt a bit Anti-climatic. Coach is a bit spine-less, and i think his concept of 'honor' is a bit too black and white, IMO there's always shades of grey. But he was right, Courtney should have gone. Don't think she's contributed much to the season so far.
Rob shouldn't have gone, i think the villains are going to fall without him. He was the powerhouse in most of there challenges.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:50 am Post subject: |
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When I watched the outcome of episode 7...
I was dancing around my loungeroom like my team had just won the superbowl (or something else that is equally disgustingly patriotic.)
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
That is all.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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^^^
Exact same here brother!
Macka and I, along with a few mates we're literally shouting our praises to Russel once he did his thing!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Episode 8 Spoilers wrote: | Another great episode. While Russel's ego did cause him to fall for Sandra's lie, Coach getting voted out is still a great move. The Heroes believe that there is a women's alliance, and if J.T does actually give him the hidden immunity idol, he won't even need to use it to get rid of whoever he wants.
It's also worth noting that Russel didn't actually vote for Coach, meaning that he can still claim he was loyal to him if he manages to get to the final 2. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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With the long awaited and possibly fabled episode 9 within 24 hours of being existent, I want to know of any theories, along with giving my own.
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Sadly since Coach is gone, there are very few, if any insane people left. But I believe that the merge will not happen in this coming episode for 2 reasons,
1: According to the sneak peak, JT was considering giving the idol to Russel, he wouldn't even speculate that unless he'd found out there wasn't a merge, and so I believe that shot was after the reward challenge where again there was no merge. (It's possible, since the latest they've ever merged was
on day 25/26, (It is currently day 21 right after tribal) and that was at Fans V Favourites.)
Anyways, According to the episode names of 9 + 10, Survivor History, and Going down in Flames respectively. I reckon that Russel gets the idol off JT (in secret, since JT thinks it's an all woman alliance and wouldn't want the women to know), claims it's the dumbest move in 'Survivor History' and then they lose the immunity, get rid of a woman(hopefuly sandra) (Which confirms Heroes suspition of womens alliance) and now Russel has an idol which NO-ONE knows about. Since he doesn't need to tell his tribe, and the Heroes'll think he used it. Another possibility, is that Parv and Danielle find out Russel has it, and betray him before he uses it. But this seems less likely
The next episode name is someone on the villains tribe claiming how they lose too many challenges and are 'Going down in Flames'
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Still want to see Russel gone, that he remains is an indictment on American intelligence.
For that reason I hope like hell that at least one of Sandra / Courtney remain to the merge as the heroes did say that Candice and Amanda would "infiltrate" the "girls alliance" so what this could inherently mean via the headings;
| Speculation wrote: | That initial opinions being what they are JT assumes there's a womans alliance and so before making a decision the Heroes as a group attempt to gain some intel through Candice & Amanda, whom then are told by Sandra/Courtney of the actual state of affairs in regards to Russel, Parvati & Dani. Going down in Flames could then represent any chance of the merge benefiting Russels supposedly "supah awesome ideaz" which sees him voted out and leaves Parvati & Dani "going down in flames."
Conversely, when you assume the previous episode with Dani and Russel arguing, it could also attest that Dani flip's to sandra / Courtney to blindside Russell with Jerri (who'd be unhappy that Coach was out and seems entirely disillusioned) although at the same time, Jerri could fill that role as well. All in all, I just hope that Russel gets the goddamn hell off that island. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Can't wait for the next episode. It was a shame that Boston Rob and Russell did not work together. They would have been a great pair running the tribe.
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| Shadow Wave wrote: | | looks like they voted out the wrong person this week. |
It does look like that. I am hoping that Russell can manage to still make the best of it.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Shadow Wave wrote: | | looks like they voted out the wrong person this week. |
Was always going to happen, one of them would flip, Jerri of course questioned her alliance with Russel and was caught between a rock and a hard place as if she didn't stick with Russel she couldn't stick with the heroes because Sandra or Courtney would have swapped and thrown her out since she was unneeded.
The problem, comes with the 2 idols. This effectively leaves Russel and Parvati as safe and Dani and Jerri as the targets, however to target them would keep the idols in play so the inference would be to get a six, decide on one to vote for and then talk about the other. In effect, the heroes still have a leg to stand on if the villains believe them to believe a woman's alliance, because they will underestimate the vote based on the Heroes "stupidity" for an initial blindside.
Last episode basically showed that it was only Rupert & JT who were idiots with the idol, Colby was snide but playing his "role" in it and Amanda and Candice were against it based on knowledge, so if common sense is applied (which chances are it won't be) Heroes should have 6 (5+ Sandra) v 4 (RPD+Jerri) in which Dani should be voted out.
What this basically says is, STFU idol as Jerri will have no choice but to be voted out or flip on a vote which would see her gone and the next vote a a flush out of both idols with a 3-3 split to then match the 2 votes from Russel and Parvati on someone else. (Probably Sandra considering the flipping)
The problem; JT.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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The only thing that can be said. Best Play Ever. Best Episode Ever.
This episode was so good, no other season up until now, and any season in the future will not be able to hold a candle to it.
Survivor Will Be Cancelled.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I still think the rob vs Russel episode was way more intense because you could feel the tension build the entire episode.
But this was very damn epic to say the least. Its a pity Russel didn't have a clue.
I don't think Russel has much time left sadly  , each episode I keep thinking he's on the verge of being kicked out.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I had the same feeling last season, and look what happened there 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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What an episode.
| Spoilers for Episode 10 wrote: | When Parvati handed the second idol to Jerri, it was amazing. She is definitely the queen of Survivor after that!
I agree with Shadow, unfortunately. As much as it pains me to say it, Russels days are numbered. Parvati is in control of the game now. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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AMAZING episode.
I was sitting here by myself, and when I saw that, I just kept repeating 'OH MY GOD' about 30 times. Stunned, amazed, awesome... what a tribal council.
Brilliant.
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So, Villains are pretty much done.
Sandra is still going to vote out Russel or desire to so she's still effectively in the Heroes camp, the villains have no more idols to play as both were played and so rely emphatically on individual immunity to get through and where Russel is concerned the vote is 5-4 against him. Heroes don't have to worry about J.T at all (villains would have been better gunning for Amanda or Candice really, J.T was naive and Rupert still has a broken toe and Colby obviously has limitations to exploit) and can focus on a strong 4 + 1 to suit which makes Sandra the +1 vote for both sides.
Being excluded from the remaining villains for the entirety of the game and only given an immunity to propel their alliance vote, as the exert from Sandra said, she is stuck with Russel as opposed to wanting to be there, you'd assume Sandra will stick it up the villains to a chorus of smiles from Coach and Courtney and then be voted out at an opportune time since she'd be a jury risk.
Must say, over the course of the episode, it was pretty set that someone would screw up on the Heroes side to reduce paranoia as they really seemed headless (something which Tom provided in his season and why Galau flunked horribly at the merge for instance) the problem with democracy is that it is prone to individualism with empowerment, conversely, the villains are too fractured. Parvati is a "queen" just a jester, Russel is a "king" but ignorant, Dani is the third wheel who will go with whoever has the best leg to brush up against and Jerri is empowered enough while her vote is good.
Heroes win immunity, vote Russel, 5-3, go with the villain that doesn't win immunity until it's a choice between them and Sandra then pick the one that loses. Simplicity really.
In the case of the dual idol, they could have also been tricky insofar as tricking "themselves" hypothetical;
They do as they did, make a byplay to flush out the idols and assume Russel has 1 (J.T) and Parvati has 1 (Amanda intel) you then have Amanda revealing obvious ploy as obvious and you know that Russel has given his idol up to keep his alliance strong (Sandra intel) obvious targets for heroes are then Sandra and Jerri, Parv knowing she won't be targeted will have to pick 1 to chance or use both to ensure. Double bluff.
Vote Parv, fake switching give subtle hints that the vote is switched but stick with Parv. Flush both idols, Parv is gone, core group is shattered. Although in saying that, I don't think they could have pulled it off if they tried since they seem to suck with plans. In any event, Parv had the paranoia going into the vote, you either increase it to freak out and vote elsewhere, or decrease it and use it to your advantage, if she assumes she's not the threat she'll have to make the choice on the threats, obvious threats are obvious.
Meh, I wouldn't have the patience to last that long anyway, the stupidity would kill me. "let's keep guy with broken knee" "let's vote out strong dudes"
Oh noes, we lose challenges and create even merge? WTF did we do wrong man? Heroes still in front for mine.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! awesome episode. Has Survivor always been this good?!
Next week looks like Russell is going home but then previews are ment to trick you, With J.T gone i have a feeling the heroes are gonna mess up even more and the villians will dominate.
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