| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Trex0321
Status: Offline
Joined: 27 Aug 2008
Posts: 102
$poons: 1.80
|
 Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
 |
|
| JackSlack wrote: | | have FLAT OUT proof that games that should be coming in as R18+ are getting brought in as MA15+. The system needs reform, badly. This game, that absolutely should not be in the hands of children, can now be bought by anyone regardless of their age, |
MA15+ is restricted to 15 yr olds plus, sure theres no way to check that when ur buying it, what 15 yr old has any kind of photo id? however with the exception of predator 2, all the movies were AO(adults only, which was a rating that encompassed everything from m-x) - MA15+, so i dont see the rating of aliens vs predator 2010 the game as anything out of context with the movies. Those that do apparently prescribe to the notion that games have a bigger effect on people that other forms of media.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Furianshi
PALGN Moderator
Status: Offline
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 1470
$poons: 513.20
Location: Mackay
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
^ perhaps you haven't seen some of the screenshots floating around...
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ArcherGrave
Status: Offline
Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Posts: 738
$poons: 39.80
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Jackslack you dont have FLAT OUT PROOF, cose the game isnt even out
I HAVE 100% PROOF THAT I KNOW WHO THE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA WILL BE IN 2501
_________________
http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-8dzo-3-affiliates-49-en.html
If you use my link, depending on the purchase i will give out Xbox 360 codes, which include...
- Halo ODST Sgt Johnson ( Gone! )
- 48 hour codes
- and more
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BurnZ
Status: Offline
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Posts: 5964
$poons: 3093.00
Location: rocketchainsaw.com.au
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Trex0321 wrote: | | what 15 yr old has any kind of photo id? |
Most schools these days have student cards which has their photo on them.
_________________
 R.I.P. DEJA VU - 21/08/2010
R.I.P. Tanya - 16/04/2011
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sin Ogaris
Status: Offline
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 10616
$poons: 1588.60
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
Does it have their age though?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
G3ck0
Status: Offline
Joined: 09 May 2008
Posts: 7516
$poons: 3.80
Location: Brisbane
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Sin Ogaris wrote: | | Does it have their age though? |
I was going to mention the Student ID. It has their date of birth on it.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kubikuri
Status: Offline
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 16
$poons: 3.60
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
If you can't prove you are 15+, you shouldn't be able to buy/rent MA15+ products, just like anyone within 10 years of 18+ should still need ID to buy cigarettes, alcohol or other restricted products.
I'm 30 years old and I remember the MA15+ rating getting introduced when I was under 15, and at the time, in my area, the MA15+ restriction was usually well enforced. Have things been going downhill for the MA restriction enforcement in retail/rental since it's inception?
@Trex0321 "all the movies were AO(adults only, which was a rating that encompassed everything from m-x)" -Was the AO rating ever used for cinema/video release? I thought it was just network TV that used the AO rating, and that the first 3 alien films and Predator were rated M15+, then and now.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Cyph
Status: Offline
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
Posts: 3977
$poons: 716.80
Location: Perth, WA
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
I wonder why the change of heart? Perhaps it has to do with the media attention this issue has been getting of late? You know the old notion, sacrifice some ground to retain some ground.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Karai Pantsu
PALGN Moderator
Status: Offline
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 10109
$poons: 29.06
Location: Melbexico
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| kubikuri wrote: | | I'm 30 years old and I remember the MA15+ rating getting introduced when I was under 15, and at the time, in my area, the MA15+ restriction was usually well enforced. Have things been going downhill for the MA restriction enforcement in retail/rental since it's inception? |
It was pretty lax when I was coming up to that age. It's been ten years since I turned fifteen, but even back then in the years leading up to turning that auspicious age the only place that I remember being prompted to 'prove' my age was at the cinemas - and even that was as simple as telling them your DoB (read: being a convincing enough liar), no one ever asked for any kind of photo ID.
Although, by the sounds of it more and more schools are providing kids with a form of photo ID now. We certainly never had that. It could very well have picked up again if the majority of kids at least *should* be carrying a form of reliable ID to be prompted for. I know that there are a few members of these forums who, by their admission, work in games retail and enforce the ratings properly at point of sale.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
grim-one
Status: Offline
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Posts: 6646
$poons: 1567.30
Location: Perth
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Trex0321 wrote: | | MA15+ is restricted to 15 yr olds plus, sure theres no way to check that when ur buying it, what 15 yr old has any kind of photo id? |
How do any 15 year olds get into MA15+ movies? It's not exactly unusual these days for them to have ID.
_________________
Steam:grim_one | PSN/Live:najakh | Flickr
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Hyper the Metroid
Status: Offline
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 317
$poons: 56.00
Location: NSW, Australia
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
I'm 15 and I always get asked for a form of ID or a guardian when buying MA rated products. Very rarely do I not get asked.
But i'm happy now, since i'm now able to buy the game, despite the fact that apparently people of my age aren't mature enough to play the game yet. 'Spose I better now resist the temptation to go out and rip the heads from colonial marines...
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
heatseeker
Status: Offline
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 900
$poons: 120.70
Location: Central Coast
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| grim-one wrote: | | How do any 15 year olds get into MA15+ movies? It's not exactly unusual these days for them to have ID. |
It sure isn't and as far as I know any student can go to the office and get one made up.
Everyone in my school has them since we converted from roll call to a swipe card system last year.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ObsoletE
Status: Offline
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Posts: 20357
$poons: 34.20
Location: Perth, WA :: Jubei'Thos
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
even though everyone has been reporting it as true, here's the official word from the horses mouth for anyone with remaining doubts:
OFLC page
_________________
My Play-Asia Affiliate Link.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LeonJ
Status: Offline
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Posts: 10312
$poons: 1868.80
Location: Grand Line
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
This is a total cop out. Seriously. It just goes to show how broken our ratings system is.
I'm happy it's passed but it really doesn't make any logical sense at all.
_________________
Shin J Leon.
XBL - LeonJ
PSN - LeonJ
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fetidchimp
Status: Offline
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 8666
$poons: 60.20
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Yes it makes none.......it makes you wonder what they have against valve.
_________________
kill, kill, kill.....the white man. Kill the white man, kill
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JackSlack
Status: Offline
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 1175
$poons: 244.60
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Trex0321 wrote: | | MA15+ is restricted to 15 yr olds plus, sure theres no way to check that when ur buying it, what 15 yr old has any kind of photo id? however with the exception of predator 2, all the movies were AO(adults only, which was a rating that encompassed everything from m-x) - MA15+, so i dont see the rating of aliens vs predator 2010 the game as anything out of context with the movies. Those that do apparently prescribe to the notion that games have a bigger effect on people that other forms of media. |
Not quite. MA15+ may be bought by anyone provided they are in the company of a parent or guardian. In Queensland, it just needs to be with an adult.
Regardless of the technicalities, what we have here is pretty good evidence (fine, I'll refrain from my usual over-enthusiasm in description) that the system is broken. I call it a good mandate for reform.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
A13x
Status: Offline
Joined: 02 Apr 2007
Posts: 3362
$poons: 2126.10
Location: Adelaide
|
| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Fetidchimp wrote: | | Yes it makes none.......it makes you wonder what they have against valve. |
Well, Valve didn't just appeal the refused classification, they also submitted an edited version with no gore whatsoever, this shows that it is something that is non-essential to the title, and in a way voids the need to re-evaluate something that has already been seen as inappropriate.
Rebellion stood their ground, said "Well, we're not watering it down, we just won't release it there" and appealed it.
Had Valve not made any cuts, and appealed it they may have had more success.
_________________
 <3
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fetidchimp
Status: Offline
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 8666
$poons: 60.20
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
That makes me say, what do they have against valve, the edited version shouldn't make any difference to the original submission, and if it does, it's even more broken than i thought
_________________
kill, kill, kill.....the white man. Kill the white man, kill
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sin Ogaris
Status: Offline
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 10616
$poons: 1588.60
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Artistic merit comes into play in regards to refused classsification material. If the company sends in an altered version of the title it says to the Review/Classification board that the violence ISN'T necessary. As a result they're going to say no to it because in terms of keeping it within guidelines they're basically saying "we don't have to have any of that stuff in there.
Rebellion, on the other hand resubmitted it without any indication of altering the material and likely gave a sound reasoning behind WHY the level of gore is necessary in the title.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fetidchimp
Status: Offline
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 8666
$poons: 60.20
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Still shouldnt make a difference to an appeal, the appeal should be based on what is on the screen, not what they are hiding behind there back.
Outside influences should play no part in rating a game/film on it's merits and if it does then it is a crock.
_________________
kill, kill, kill.....the white man. Kill the white man, kill
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JackSlack
Status: Offline
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 1175
$poons: 244.60
Location: Sydney, Australia
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Fetidchimp, indeed. Shouldn't, in theory. In practice, does.
Like I said: This showed that Rebellion had a hell of a lot more courage than Valve did, and it paid off. That said, Valve had already made edits for Germany, right? So it may be that they had their options cut out to begin with.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fetidchimp
Status: Offline
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 8666
$poons: 60.20
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Makes you wonder why the german market is seen as so lucrative, sega doesn't seem to give a toss
_________________
kill, kill, kill.....the white man. Kill the white man, kill
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Trex0321
Status: Offline
Joined: 27 Aug 2008
Posts: 102
$poons: 1.80
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
Having watched movies of aliens vs predator (2009) no, i sincerely do not think it should of been rated r18. Manhunt, postal, chiller, thrill kill have levels of violence exceeding that of AVP, and are rightfully RC in no place of r18+, mortal kombat imo should of been RC'd too, but passed under MA15+, which i always though deserved R18+ rating. I do not think theres anything in AVP that doesnt pass through in MA15+ movies, so to me it is acceptably rated MA15+ itself. IF parents wanna buy it for their children, god bless them.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
BurnZ
Status: Offline
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Posts: 5964
$poons: 3093.00
Location: rocketchainsaw.com.au
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Trex0321 wrote: | | Having watched movies of aliens vs predator (2009) no, i sincerely do not think it should of been rated r18. |
That's the thing, this game isn't based on what happened in the AvP movies.
It just has the same 3 species in it.
_________________
R.I.P. DEJA VU - 21/08/2010
R.I.P. Tanya - 16/04/2011
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Trex0321
Status: Offline
Joined: 27 Aug 2008
Posts: 102
$poons: 1.80
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| BurnZ wrote: | | based on what happened in the AvP movies |
i meant Ive watched movies of the avp2009 game, sure its violent, but only sporadically and within the context of the game.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
