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| Zhou wrote: | | One main downfall was the linux distro couldnt use the cell processor to its full extent..so whats the point? |
Currently the only application that uses the Cell to anywhere close to it's potential is Folding@Home so... What's the point of playing games on it? 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| Zhou wrote: | How many people actually are bothered to use linux on their ps3? I looked into it when it was first announced. Heard it was nothing but buggy.
One main downfall was the linux distro couldnt use the cell processor to its full extent..so whats the point?
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It could have if anybody bothered to do a proper distro built for the Cell arch, Yellow Dog just made slight modifications to their PPC version
As for the buggy accusation, its not buggy just troublesome to work with hardware, the video card had no accelerated 3D and the bluetooth stack was a pain for a long time too. Mostly because nobody bothered to write proper drivers (something I am not surprised and have gotten used to over the years).
If Sony were serious about wanting to make the PS3 a Linux PC they should have helped out with that, but obviously it was only ever going to be a half baked effort, Sony's PS2 Linux attempts prove that they have no idea about the nature of Linux or the open source community.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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your all sooks, get with the times ps2 games now suck dogs balls, trade em all in and buy ps3 games, or buy the new psnetwork cards, and buy online games
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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^^prepare to be Flamed Dave.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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If I was to pick one up, this would be no loss to me as I don't own a PS2. I can imagine some PS2 owners being disappointed, but personally, I'll much rather have the cheaper price.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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anyone know if I'd get much for an old 60GB model that plays PS2 games?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Meh, BC is important to me because I have a larger TV now then when my main gaming console was the PS2, so the upscaling is key.
My 360-compatable Xbox1 games look quite respectable with the upscaling, while my PS2 games look like aliased trash.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:02 am Post subject: |
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I certainly won't be purchasing the Playstation 3. Between the PS1 and PS2 I have several dozen games that I consider WAY better than anything the PS3 offers, no exceptions. And no, not all the PS1 games work on the PS3, despite its claim to support them.
The few games on the PS3 that might be worth playing are also on other platforms I already own. Playstation took a major blow when they lost the exclusivity of many of their signature series, but dropping support for their best titles put the final nail in the coffin for me.
And as for the better graphics... who cares? Story, gameplay, and being free of crashes are all that matters to me in a game. The graphics could be old school 8-bit sprites for all I care. And I don't play online games either, so no loss there.
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Here's the thing, if you want play PS2 games, buy a PS2. Playing PS2 games on a PS3 will probably ruin the laser. Playing PS1 games on the PS2 was a disaster, it would run the disc too fast, pretty much sounded like the 360 but probably not as bad. People might be disappointed that it'll be going but I doubt that a lot of people actually go back to revisit those old games and if you do, you're one of those people who still own that console. People are not going to go out to buy a PS3 to play PS2 games.
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And as for Luthais, I hope you don't call yourself a gamer because you're not. Yes there are many PS2 games that were good and might be better than most games than the PS3, but you're talking about those multiplatform games. How about Uncharted 1 & 2? Killzone 2? MGS4? Infamous? God of War 3? Gran Turismo 5? Ratchet and Clank? These are just some of the games that are exclusive to the PS3. Don't say you're not buying the PS3 because there's nothing on it, it's just an excuse for you being cheap. Better graphics and no gameplay, what the hell are you on.
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Depends, it would be great to be able to to reduce the amount of console hanging around the room (I had to move my PS1 50km away just to make room for the 360 because I had a SNES, N64, PS1, PS2, Xbox, Wii all connected to one tv.).
However, I had tried playing the PS1 game on the PS3 and it looked worse than playing it on either the PS1 or PS2 (and PS2 is worse than PS1).
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I don't care about compatibility as I have a PS2 anyway. It is really cheap for a PS2, so I don't know how you could complain about not having backwards compatibility.
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Well more is gD. One more function will be great but nt essential.
I have 2 PS2 and 1 PS3. IF there is BC for PS3, i will rather use ps2 to play PS2 games. I Dun wan to risk too much tear and wear on my PS3. ha ha ha
JUst make do with what we have and focus on the games. I'm also buying a lot of PS2 games. A lot of gd deals for the old console. 
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Why do people keep complaining about lack of PS2 BC?
If the (PAL) PS3 had BC that would be great to play PS2 games in HDMI upscale mode but consider you'd be limited to playing PAL,non-copied games only. That's not good for those of us who have a modified PS2 that can play NTSC-U and NTSC-J (US and japanese imports respectively) games. Often the NTSC games are superior (faster frame rate, graphics fill the screen) and some games were never released in PAL regions.
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| NegativeZero wrote: |
The PS3:360 sales gap has been getting smaller, yes, but not anywhere near as fast as you're making out. Sony are counting on the system having a really long tail like the PS2 to catch up. Microsoft beat them to market and built a very considerable lead quite quickly, and in the US has continued to outsell them just about every month. That lead isn't going away.
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It's not getting smaller at all. PS3 was well around the world last year, where it outsold 360 in Europe and Japan for a few happy months. My memory's hazy but it might have even outsold it in North America as well. But the GFC hit and the 360's price prevailed, and recently the 360 has outsold the PS3 for some months running already. The gap would only get small if PS3 was outselling 360 consistently.
Sony have told us that the PS3 will have around a 10 year lifespan. It might be company strategy, or it might be marketing rhetoric, but Sony probably won't have a say in the matter because production costs are still relatively higher than those of competitors (using the relative retail prices as a guide). They're playing catch up.
Either Microsoft or Nintendo will decide because they've been turning profit for a long time already. (It's likely Sony hasn't because of the GFC and their recently crappy financial results.) Whenever their current gen costs are low enough and the new gen technology is ready, they will release. The first to market, seen with 360 relative to the PS3, can lead to decisive market share even if it's rushed and flawed. Sony will be forced to ready something regardless of how far along the PS3 is at or they'll be even more behind in the cost cycle, where competitors can cut the price but Sony can't. Otherwise, they'll drop even more market share. 10 years is a number plucked from thin air.
The more Sony can't chip away at the lead, the more disadvantageous their position will be when it's crunch time to transition to the next gen. Something's happened where they're able to sell the PS3 Slim for less. But another price cut from Microsoft and Sony will still be under pressure.
I think backwards compatibility is a waste of time. Older games simply can't complete with newer games. It's a mountain out of a molehill.
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I wonder how the failure rate of Xbox 360 will affect MS next gen though. Microsoft were lucky last time as nobody had any idea about the weak hardware when the console launched, so plenty of people jumped on it. I think a lot of people will be very cautious about buying MS's next console once it gets released as they will want to sit back and see whether the launch hardware is any good this time around. I will certainly be one of those people, the Xbox 360's failure rate has ruined any chance of me picking up their next console at launch. As such, I predict that the next Xbox will have a much slower start than the 360 did, which may just be Sony's chance to jump ahead with the PS4 (providing it doesn't cost $2000 at launch). We'll see what happens though, Sony hasn't lost this gen to MS yet.
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I guess I'll go back onto the sidelines. I was starting to become quite a bit more optimistic, and backwards compatibility is quite a big draw card for me. I used it extensively on the PS2, and would have used it on the PS3.
Unfortunately there isn't much in the PS3 library that interests me all that much, so the draw isn't all that great there at the moment. I already have a blu ray player, so don't care about that (I'm buying a console for gaming purposes anyway, why would I want to pay extra for one in the first place?).
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xekusion: I don't happen to like any of the titles you listed, but by the sheer number of games I own and have played I still consider myself a gamer, albeit one with selective tastes. I also make video games for a living.
To be honest though, I think for me the biggest issue I see with BC being dropped is that Sony just pronounced a death sentence for PS2 games. This death may not be in the near future, but it was made quite clear nonetheless.
How easy is it for you to find a new PS1 nowadays? They are virtually non-existent. There is always the fear that given time, the same will hold true for the PS2. It is for this reason I have a brand new PS2 stashed away as a backup in case my current PS2 dies. And if it is announced PS2s will be phased out completely, I will buy yet a third.
And yes, I hold true to what I said: PS3 has better graphics (which means nothing to me), but the games are severely lacking in story/gameplay quality when compared to many PS2 and PS1 games. Heck, I can think of several NES games that put most PS3 games to shame.
Sadly, video games are going the same way movies already haveĂ¢â‚¬Â¦ All the focus shifted to graphics rather than writing/directing, which means that most are complete crap, with only the occasional gem worth bothering with. Sad days...
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