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Hey folks,
just a question i need answering, what is the stand (/opinion etc) on the flash carts like R4DS which allow you to download full copies of games and play them on DS no problems what so ever?
Cause recently some people i know have bought it and really like how useful it is & cheap, even wanting to buy one for me...
But aren't they illegal or banned in some countries (like Australia), cause they purchase these in Singapore.
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The R4 cart itself cannot be made illegal, it can simply be used for an illegal purpose. Everybody who has one got it for that purpose even if they say they didn't.
I don't own one, I don't want one, and you probably shouldn't talk about it here if you don't want to get in some strife 
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They're fine in Australia. There are quite a few places in Australia who sell flashcarts no problem. Its only when you start downloading pirated games it becomes illegal. Legal uses include -> mp3 player -> movie watching -> and a whole host of other homebrew apps.
Also r4 is obsolete now. You dont want one of them.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Zhou wrote: | | Also r4 is obsolete now. You dont want one of them. |
Thankyou.. someone mentioned it before I had to.
If you're going to get one, buying an R4 is a horrible, horrible decision. The overwhelming majority are fakes (anything like R4 Deluxe, R4 Pro, R4-II or whatever are all fake) since I'm pretty sure the R4 team doesn't make them anymore. And nor do you get anything in the way of firmware upgrades.
And yes, there are fakes of cheaply made Chinese products as well  that should give you an idea of the popularity of these things. Anyway, there are plenty legitimate uses for flashcards like homebrew/media functionality etc. Whether or not you choose to pirate is a personal decision.
If you do decide to get one, on the budget side I recommend the Acekard 2 (from Dealextreme, make sure it's labelled 2.1 not just 2, or if you plan to get a DSi, get the Acekard 2i). If you have the money to spare however, the holy grail of flashcarts is the CycloDS Evolution (get these from Ozmodchips). The only problem with the Evo is that it has a massive premium compared to other cards, infact the price has gone up since I got mine.. horrendously expensive compared to something like the Acekard.
Avoid the EDGE, avoid the R6 Gold, avoid the TopToy DS and most importantly avoid the R4 anything.
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^ One of the most informative posts EVER! Thanks dude! I'm not in the market for one but this is what i'd need to read....as long as the info is sound.
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yeah I'm not clued in to what's new or best etc with these i just had some questions, sorry.
The people i know have the Acekard 2 (well that's what it says at the DS main menu), not sure if on box or whateva if it was 2.1 or not, but yeah, since seeing that in action, all i knew before was about R4 existing, not how good they were or not.
VERY informative post Passa, thanx
and urs helped too Zhou & Peveus
Oh and in my initial post, i meant that they wanted to buy one for me.
So i thought i ought to get myself informed
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damn it. i have an R4 and can't get it work... 
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nnytard what seems to be the problem? Make sure to go to the R4 website and download the updates onto the bizzo.
I have an R4DS with a 2 gig memory card, purchased as a bundle from Ozmodchips. In all honesty I can't compare it to other products like Passa has, but I cannot possibly see how any of them make a difference. It takes 2 clicks and you're in the game of your choice, I've not had any problems. It's really such a simple piece of hardware so it's not as if you should steer away from one or the other.
As for the stance involved, I don't have a problem using it at all. Some people have a problem with piracy full stop, however I still purchase the good games. If there's a particularly bad game (which is all too often with the DS) I'll just delete it and get on with my life. I'd highly recommend one if you don't have a problem with downloading roms.
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| Bitchacho wrote: | I've not had any problems. It's really such a simple piece of hardware so it's not as if you should steer away from one or the other.
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The reason why passa and I recommend the cycloDs over all others is because of the following reasons. (off the top of my head. Im sure there are others)
1) R4 is spring loaded. Cyclo is slot loaded. If the spring brakes in the r4, effectively its borked. Unless you're game enough to open it up and carry out the appropriate procedure. Cyclo DS though some people will complain its hard to get the sd card out, I personally dont have a problem with it.
2) R4 is no longer supported firmware wise. Cyclo is. With new firmware comes new features. And support for new games. Iirc, R4 had issues with the castlevania games where it would freeze when used with certain memory cards. Final Fantast Crystal Chronicles would also not work unless it had a fairly recent update.
3) The cyclo DS has inbuilt features such as real time saves, real time cheats, change brightness WHILE playing the game, and slow mode (slows down time- may come in handy in fighting and other fast paced games requiring timing).
4) Full download play support. Last time I checked, the R4 still had some issues regarding some games not supporting download/wifi games with other players.
5) Supports SDHC memory cards. Cards bigger than 2gb are supported meaning you can fit more crap on 1 card, thus eliminating card swapping. (Its an issue for me)
6) Auto DLDI patcher. Comes in handy if you're an avid fan of homebrew. No need to mess around with manually patching homebrew to run on the flashcard as seen with the R4.
7) Recovery mode. Borked your flashcard while doing a firmware patch? No worries. Just use the recovery mode and you'll revert back to a safe stable version of firmware.
Thats about all I can remember for now. But seriously, as passa said, CycloDS is really quality. Dont cheap out and get the cards like TopToy and other "cheap" cards. Consider it an investment.
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Even though it's unlikely I will get a DSi would there be any reason not to get the AceKard 2i? Sure it costs a bit more but at least it's in stock.
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| nnytard wrote: | | damn it. i have an R4 and can't get it work... |
You said that yours was a fake R4, that could be the problem.
| Cro wrote: | | Even though it's unlikely I will get a DSi would there be any reason not to get the AceKard 2i? Sure it costs a bit more but at least it's in stock. |
I had a look on the AceKard website and since the 2i supports all other DS' I don't see why not to get it. Plus a bonus if you ever decide to change your mind later down the track and end up buying a DSi.
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Alex has an R4 and I have CycloDS. I personally don't use homebrew applications much even though I've tampered a bit; I mainly use it to load a rom and start playing. The most noticeable differences to me, if you only use it for this purpose, are getting the sd card in & out - it's easier with a CycloDS - and the pre-loaded cheats & cheat database (and firmware) that can be easily updated (especially if certain roms needs a little patching up to get it working properly...). CycloDS is also far better to me for aesthetic reasons, as in it's presented nicely & easier to navigate, but I find the other features a little pointless when I have better consoles and devices suited for the same sort of features (like music, videos, pdf's, etc).
If the R4 is no longer supported firmware wise it's a bad option. I haven't seen anyone mention M3DS Real, which tends to come with a rumble pack instead of just the flash card and/or sd card... I know some people who own one but haven't seen it in use.
Obviously my uses are not really legal, but in my defense, if I like a game a lot I will still go out and buy it. I really like owning the box and manual as well as the game card.
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| Ravenous wrote: |
If the R4 is no longer supported firmware wise it's a bad option. I haven't seen anyone mention M3DS Real, which tends to come with a rumble pack instead of just the flash card and/or sd card... I know some people who own one but haven't seen it in use.
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Actually just reading about the review over @ gbatemp, it seems promising. Though M3 I beleive are also not supported anymore (anyone care to correct me?), however, from what I can see, it IS quite similar to the CycloDs, and the added rumble support is a bonus. However, said function only supports a select few titles.
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| Ravenous wrote: |
If the R4 is no longer supported firmware wise it's a bad option. I haven't seen anyone mention M3DS Real, which tends to come with a rumble pack instead of just the flash card and/or sd card... I know some people who own one but haven't seen it in use.
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i use an m3 real (as far as i know its still supported), came with a rumble pack but i dont use it (my ds is white and i hate the black/white colour mismatch ). Ive been using it with the translated sakura software and so far its been good to me, although i only use it to play games. Ive owned an r4 in the past and to be honest it was great as long as i had up to date firmware (mine wasnt a spring loaded one so i didnt have any issues with the microsd slot). i considered the cyclods when buying my second card but i couldnt really justify the price over the m3 real.
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i got an R4, very recently, an official one made by them, works fine. not sure about firmware updates though, but yeah i havent had any R4 problems. except that it didnt work when i was in an aeroplane above a certain height for some reason...for like half the flight it wouldnt work...but when we landed it was fine......
but yeah, there are better ones out there, like M3 real, especially since there is also a GBA version of it
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| Deli wrote: | | Ravenous wrote: |
If the R4 is no longer supported firmware wise it's a bad option. I haven't seen anyone mention M3DS Real, which tends to come with a rumble pack instead of just the flash card and/or sd card... I know some people who own one but haven't seen it in use.
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i use an m3 real (as far as i know its still supported), came with a rumble pack but i dont use it (my ds is white and i hate the black/white colour mismatch ). Ive been using it with the translated sakura software and so far its been good to me, although i only use it to play games. Ive owned an r4 in the past and to be honest it was great as long as i had up to date firmware (mine wasnt a spring loaded one so i didnt have any issues with the microsd slot). i considered the cyclods when buying my second card but i couldnt really justify the price over the m3 real. |
Same boat, except I dabble in a few homebrew applications, like Colours! (which effectively turns my DS into a mini wacom, very awesome) and DSOrganize. The whole package probably wasn't worth the upgrade over the R4, but it's good enough.
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I got myself an R4 last year, it's the newer SDHC version (it's not spring loaded). It worked perfectly for the first few months I had it, but after that it started being unreliable, the DS doesn't recognise it all the time, and very occassionally it freezes while playing a game. It's authentic as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure what's happened to it. I've never had any problems with firmware or cheats though.
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| admeister wrote: | | I got myself an R4 last year, it's the newer SDHC version (it's not spring loaded). It worked perfectly for the first few months I had it, but after that it started being unreliable, the DS doesn't recognise it all the time, and very occassionally it freezes while playing a game. It's authentic as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure what's happened to it. I've never had any problems with firmware or cheats though. |
I am having a similar problem with my M3 Simply. Sometimes it can take upto five times for it to recognise it's there, and I also get freezing at times. So I haven't played as much due to fear I will get a freeze. Because of this I am thinking of getting something new.
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| admeister wrote: | | I got myself an R4 last year, it's the newer SDHC version (it's not spring loaded). It worked perfectly for the first few months I had it, but after that it started being unreliable, the DS doesn't recognise it all the time, and very occassionally it freezes while playing a game. It's authentic as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure what's happened to it. I've never had any problems with firmware or cheats though. |
From what i've read, SDHC versions of R4 are actually fakes and there has never been any real R4's with SDHC compatibility. They just look authentic because they have exactly the same box as a real R4 but with a SDHC logo on it(My friend asked me to buy one for him).
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I thought I would talk about the slot 1 cart that I use, a SuperCard DSONE.
The Firmware is still up to date, their last released update was July last year.
I was trying to play Korg DS-10 and couldn't get it to work. So I updated the firmware and BAM! Korg DS-10 was workin'.
SuperCard have been around for a while, I was using their SD GBA cart (slot 2) when the first DS work arounds came out before the slot 1 carts.
Their first versons were blue not purple (I've got a blue one) and because it has a SD card in it, it stuck out quite abit and even more if put in a DS Lite.
Then they released a perfect GBA size cart that used a MiniSD card.
Not long after that they released another GBA size cart but this one was only for the DS because it had a built in rumble pak and they had to remove the GBA RAM from the cart to get it to work. So no GBA ROMs for that card.
I bought the GBA rumble and it was quite good, I still keep it in my original DS and let my little cousins play with it when I see them. They also have a SD rumble version but I don't know why you would want that when you can get the perfect fit MiniSD one.
Oh and SuperCard also have a DSONE SDHC version which I'm still deciding if I should get it or not.
If you have a DS Lite and want to play GBA ROMs, SuperCard also have a DS Lite sized GBA card. It uses a MicroSD and comes in 2 versions, rumble and no rumble. But like I said before, if you want to play GBA ROMs then you got to go with the no rumble.
 
Their site is alittle Engrish but still unsderstandable.
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Don't touch the SuperCard Lite for GBA (I own one). You get slowdown in a lot of titles because of the slow memory it uses and saving the game is an ass (if you're lucky enough to get it working), as is patching the games. If you want GBA support, instead get an EZ-Flash 3in1, which will play every GBA game perfectly PLUS includes rumble and RAM expansion mode, for stuff like Opera. DealExtreme is your friend.
Anyway I must say the SuperCard team have been pretty decent for support, they're still releasing game compatibility updates for their now ancient SuperCard Lite. They've been around for ages too.
This all being said, the SuperCard Lite is still twice the price of the Acekard 2 and arguably inferior.
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Well thanks to the suggestions that you guys posted here I went and ordered an Acecard 2.1 off Dealextreme.
Now if any could point me in the direction of some homebrew apps (not of the illegal rom variety) then I would very much appreciate it.
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^afaik I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as illegal homebrew apps. Anyway, this is a good place to start.
Also this
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There are homebrew apps and games you can get, its just a matter of trying them out.
I suggest:
=DsOrganize (organizer for your ds, inbuilt web browser and irc client as well)
=StillAlive (ds version of popular valve game PORTAL)
=Moonshell (media player )
=Colours! (painting program)
=LMP-ng (ipod clone )
=ComicBookDs (good for reading manga on the go)
=BEup (msn for your ds)
anywho, I'm sure the others can suggest more homebrew to try out. Another thing to consider is DLDI patching. Homebrew needed to be DLDI patched before it could be run on r4's. CycloDS apparently dont need to, (though personally I haven't tried with mine). So it may be something you want to look into if they dont work straight off the bat with the acekard.
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I found most of the homebrew apps from this site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_DS_homebrew (the one Zhou linked after I posted this )
The one I used are
Apps
-DSOrganize (an organiser)
-DS Dictionary
-BEUP (MSN on DS)
Games
- Warcraft3: Tower Defence (based of WC3's map of the same name)
- VideoGamesHero (Guitar Hero Video games style, supports Grip)
- Still Alive (Portal 2d style)
Edit - dammit Zhou!!! I linked on the wiki and then you updated to have the wiki page.
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*points to title under avatar* They dont call me anbu for nothing ...anbu being an elite ninja ... lol ..and a naruto reference ; )
and yeah
warcraft 3 tower defense is awesome fun. Not sure if the developers have added multiplayer yet though
*Edit*
well I actually was using the wiki as a reference when i was writing the reply, cept i forgot to reference, then as i read over my post, i thought o my bad.. forgot to mention that wiki link But yeah great minds think alike no?
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