Document suggests MS knew about disc scratching

[waz79]

MS made a piece of shit and whats worse is that they knew it all along.

If this was a car company they would be filing for bankruptcy

[Shorty]

The difference there is that the "big three" car companies are producing badly-made pieces of crap cars that nobody wants to buy.
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[Jellyfish]

[waz79]

[Benza]

[denial 23]

This particular topic has been discussed at length at our house.
My Partner and i haved owned 3 360's, with the first one bought upon release.

Never have we had a problem with discs scratching, because we READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!! I believe it cleary states (although i am trying to remember from a few years ago) to place your xbox on a secure surface, and not bump or move your console while there is a disc in the drive. I don't even think it says 'while the disc is spinning'.

Like i said, i'm trying to remember and i have been unable to find our originial setup instruction manual, so i may be para-phrasing, but i think my point still stands.

As far as i'm concerned, i don't care that the Wii and PS3 can be thrown from great heights and the games remain in tact, if you are doing things like that with a console you don't deserve to have one.

Harsh, maybe. But in my eyes it's true.

Bottom line, if i am right and in the initial setup instructions it says 'dont move with a disc in the drive' they have tried to prevent scratching from their obviously faulty drive.
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[AllSchoolGamer]

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[Jellyfish]

The PS2 scratched discs too, the Wii and PS3 are immensely difficult to get them to scratch discs because they've got slot loading drives. There are arms in place that hold the disc securely so it doesn't fly out of the drive like shuriken. Laptops mostly have those crappy tray drives which anchor the disc in with those little ball things, while the 360 has a drive similar to desktops, you don't see people playing dvds and music on the train with one of those do you?

[AllSchoolGamer]

[Azza]

Microsoft knew about this problem, but their No. 1 priority was the 360 being the first Current Gen machine around. They might had thought they could patch it later.
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[Shorty]

[Island_Wolf]

I do agree with nikack on the PS2 scratches disk. In fact, I had to use my disk scratching repair kit on many of my PS2 games over time because I would have a circular scratch on it (The kit did work though, so no biggy).
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[glen]

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[Rabscallion]

my head is exploding trying to figure out whether that is advertising /spam or not. He is obviously advertising his company , at the same time its a free offer but. how much is shipping and handling glen

[glen]

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[Gamesta]

[Rabscallion]

^ so bassically you didnt follow what the instructions said however luckily there were no side effects, good job. Thats why some people shouldnt be allowed to buy an xbox 360 then complain

[Gamesta]

I was just saying that people can't immediately say that those who had their discs scratched didn't look after their console because as I said, I did what the manual told me not to do with PS2 and it NEVER scratched a disc.Therefore with the 360, people can look after the console like it was their loved one and still have their discs scratched.It's not (usually) to do with how well they look after their 360.I looked after my PS2's quite well and still had one break on me twice.

If your comment about people who shouldn't own a 360 then complain about scratched discs was including me, then your comment doesn't fully stand as I DON'T own a 360.

[Rabscallion]

^no, thats completely and utterly different from what you said. what you said was you didnt follow the instructions and there wasnt a problem anyway, then you make some confusing statement about xbox 360's scartching discs in your new post despite not owning one or experiencing one. To be honest I still dont beleive anyone has just had their discs chewed for no reason if the instructions are read. It says go to dashboard and take the disc out before turning off the console, dont move it or anything of the sort.

[Gamesta]

But me talking about the PS2 not scratching discs EVEN though I did what I wasn't supposed to is just pointing out the fact that you can't judge a problem on things that you think are the cause.You don't believe that people have had their disc scratched for no reason just because it doesn't sound logical.Also I did say that I had a PS2 break on me for no apparent reason, which just goes to show that for something to happen, you don't always have to have caused it yourself.But I'm sure you will just say that I MUST have done something to break my PS2 twice.

I look after myself, but that doesn't mean I can't fall over and break a bone.Just like someone who does stunts on a motorbike doesn't guarantee they will break something.

The fact is that IF Msoft DID know beforehand that 360's could scratch you discs without doing anything wrong with the console, then your belief is only a belief and not fact.But we will never know that.

With that said, if you don't understand my posts, then either you just don't understand what I have been saying (or at least what I think I'm saying) , or I just understand something that is only understandable to me.

The simple fact is that I know what I'm going on about and as long as I understand what I'm saying then it doesn't really matter if you understand me or not.

[Rabscallion]

Its pretty hard to understand what your saying if you dont make sense. If you read what I said (Which was*) I DO NOT beleive that discs get scratched UNLESS the instructions are accidentally adhered too, whether it be by and infant, pet, someone who moved it but thought it didnt consititute a move, somneone who leaves the disc in the disc tray when the console is off an a plesthora of other things they say not too in the manual, and I beleive people only say that theirs broke without reaason as they do not want to be blamed.

As for your ps2 the instructions are a PRECAUTIONARY measure, Just in case an accident where to happen, It doesnt matter if the accident never happened, they want you to be prepared for it so idiots dont sue them. It doesnt matter if microsoft knew xbox's COULD scratch discs, because they expected people to be able to read the instructions (or at least call the reading writing hotline or something) so they could understand the simple instructions given to them hence not to be sued either. For example if I make a toy that could snap for example if someone doesnt read the instructions, then people go ahead and snap it anyway, thats their fault, even though It was made clear the problem could occur.

And one of the reasons I dont understand your posts is you keep uttering the word 'understand":

Example: if you dont UNDERSTAND my posts, then you dont UNDERSTAND what i haev been saying ( or ast least what I think im saying) or i just UNDERSTAND something that is only UNDERSTANDable to me.

Now that in itself is a puzzle

[Gamesta]