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Just here to say I only just picked up on the Kain pun in the OP.
Man that's some good shit, +ed for puns being awesome.
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mmmm, I like remakes. Lots of the games that are remade these days are games that I never had the chance to play... I mean, i could get an emulator, but that wastes valuable download space, and it just isn't the same >.>
Don't really like FF7 so I don't think I'd buy it ^____^ already have the original so I don't need another of the same game 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| monarchofambivalence wrote: | | but that wastes valuable download space, and it just isn't the same >.> |
Snes roms are like less then a meg? I used to have no problem getting em on 56k.
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just finished final fantasy IV last night and it was awesome. second best final fantasy game i have played so far. really enjoyed it.
on the topic of a final fantasy VII remake, i personally am all for it. I played the original when it first came out and loved and that was based on no hype, i found the story engaging and the side quests a great deal of fun.
im up for a remake regardless of how its done, just to see what they would do with it. so far every final fantasy remake has added to the experience and they all remain pretty damn true to the source material. so in this light, i say bring it on but i still think that they should keep going chronologically.
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The PS1 remakes have added to the experience of the originals despite being the same game including the longass loading times despite being different mediums?
I scoff at your claim of every FF remake adding to the experience, the difference between FF on NES and FF Origins is that one comes on a cd instead of a cart, la di freakin da.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Fly wrote: | The PS1 remakes have added to the experience of the originals despite being the same game including the longass loading times despite being different mediums?
I scoff at your claim of every FF remake adding to the experience, the difference between FF on NES and FF Origins is that one comes on a cd instead of a cart, la di freakin da. |
Well they look a hell of a lot better. Haven't played em but from what I hear they fix up some of the fuck ups from the early games (Like targeting dead enemies)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: |
Well they look a hell of a lot better. Haven't played em but from what I hear they fix up some of the **** ups from the early games (Like targeting dead enemies) |
Well yeah, but the point inherently being that every FF remake has not been a god send to the series or the original, effectively all Origins was was a $90 FF1&2 with updated graphics and bug fixes, simply wasn't worth it at the time as far as remakes go.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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No one said they were, just that they added to the experience, and not having a game look like arse or fuck up does add to the experience.
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| Fly wrote: | The PS1 remakes have added to the experience of the originals despite being the same game including the longass loading times despite being different mediums?
I scoff at your claim of every FF remake adding to the experience, the difference between FF on NES and FF Origins is that one comes on a cd instead of a cart, la di freakin da. |
scoff all you want, but i was referring to the final fantasy 1, 2, 3 and 4 remakes for ds and psp. the ps1 and gameboy advance games were ports, there was nothing remade about them, just the addition of a dungeon at the end of the game. the newer versions of final fantasy 1 & 2 did add to the experience with the updated graphics and gave the game a fresher feel without distorting the original style of the game. the ds versions gave the game a totally new spin without ruining the original. so i believe you are scoffing at the wrong versions.
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| Gizmocreative wrote: |
scoff all you want, but i was referring to the final fantasy 1, 2, 3 and 4 remakes for ds and psp. the ps1 and gameboy advance games were ports, there was nothing remade about them, just the addition of a dungeon at the end of the game. the newer versions of final fantasy 1 & 2 did add to the experience with the updated graphics and gave the game a fresher feel without distorting the original style of the game. the ds versions gave the game a totally new spin without ruining the original. so i believe you are scoffing at the wrong versions. |
Potato pota-to.
Outside of the NES release the game was remade on PSI (colour saturation, sound, fixes, additional content etc) while keeping the original storyline & 8bit animation. Because the game has to change to be used on handhelds (DS specifically) you have the same game with tweaked graphics and a "dynamic" menu, in all honesty how is that any different to Pokemon Diamond & Pearl? All that was changed in them from the Gameboy / GBA titles was yet more pokemon and graphical interfaces, same game as every single one before them outside of this and FF is really the same.
You have few updated gadgets, some prettier graphics because of hardware progression and "zomg the experience is now super awesome! REMAAAAKE!" When really it's the same game as it always was and it's as much a port as every other iteration that was made of it.
Did they give you extra story options?
Do they change product in any physical way?
You get given gadgets (a map in dungeons for example) once again the graphics and music are overhauled just the graphics to 3D polygonal instead of pixel saturation of sprites. Every iteration since has been a port since the product has not changed outside of gimmicks and graphics. I'm not inherently saying that's a bad thing, just really a remake is where the product is stripped to the bones and then remade, not dressed up with lipstick and stuck on a shelf under prettier art and pricier tags.
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| Quote: | | Did they give you extra story options? |
No cause then it wouldn't be a remake would it?
| Quote: | | Do they change product in any physical way? |
Completly overhauling the graphics and sound isn't a physical change? Then what the fuck is?
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| Benza wrote: | | No cause then it wouldn't be a remake would it? |
Interchange Golbez & Cecil Y/N?
| Quote: | | Completly overhauling the graphics and sound isn't a physical change? Then what the **** is? |
Physical in game not physical external because as I already stated there was remastering done in both the gba and PS1 "ports" and yet they are still considered "ports" despite this yet this is a "remake" despite that being overhauled yet again. Thus, it's a "port" by definition but a remake because it's not the original, just like every other iteration which came after.
A remake would overhaul the systems in place, a sandboxed world map instead of scrolling or real time battles instead of random encounters for instance.
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