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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hopefully, the media will shut up now they've got their blood.

Probably not. This was always going to happen, the media's just sped it up by 6 months.
There's still plenty of mud to sling at both sides of Australian politics.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hopefully, the media will shut up now they've got their blood.

Probably not. This was always going to happen, the media's just sped it up by 6 months.
There's still plenty of mud to sling at both sides of Australian politics.


It's just only started...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Laurie Oakes won't be happy until they elect him as Prime Minister.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From just the channel 10 news Kevin Rudd did a massive shout out to the Labor Caucus, saying who do you think will best lead vs Tony Abbott. I really don't think this will be going anywhere anytime soon. He also went onto to say

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“I promise you this - there is no way, no way, that I will ever be part of a stealth attack on a sitting prime minister elected by the people,†he said.

“We all know that what happened then was wrong and it must never happen again.â€


ohhhh snap!

Also if anyone wants to see the video:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-22/kevin-rudd-makes-press-conference/3845758
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The whole leadership challenge idea was made up by Andrew Wilke and Mark Riley.

Wilke will do whatever it takes to get back at Julia Gillard for not keeping her promise on the pokie reform and the media is after anything that they can report on.

Kevin Rudd probably never even wanted to challenge.
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I can really see Kevin Rudd coming back and smashing Tony Abbott.

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"There is one overriding question for my caucus colleagues, and that is who is best placed to defeat Tony Abbott at the next election," Mr Rudd said.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The whole leadership challenge idea was made up by Laurie Oakes and Michelle Grattan.


Fixed.

The media (even the ABC) are baying for blood. They were pissed when Gillard ousted Rudd because it happened without their knowledge, and now they're trying to direct a narrative where they do have the inside track on a leadership battle, based on vague "rumours" (or just a slow news day, I guess) from a while ago.

Basically, the media wants to play kingmaker, and Rudd's letting them. The whole situation is horrible.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can really see Kevin Rudd coming back and smashing Tony Abbott.


I think he'd do better than Gillard, but I'm also sure there'll be a lot of people who remember he wasn't particularly successful at the job himself.
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The Libs would so win the election if only they didn't have Tony Abbot as their leader.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Libs would so win the election if only they didn't have Tony Abbot as their leader.


I think you overestimate the population, Ciel-kun.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you overestimate the population, Ciel-kun.


I think you're probably right.
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That's the thing. most of the guys that my Dad works with are died-in-the-wool Liberal voters who hate Gillard and/or Rudd, but who actually hate Abbott even more, and won't vote Liberal as long as he's there.

Not the best sample, I know, but it does show how much traditional liberals find Abbott's religious leanings uncomfortable.
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Gillard's called a leadership spill for Monday.

Fecal matter, as they say, just got real.
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I'd like to quickly interrupt here with an article about the NBN. It actually extrapolates some of the key benefits of the NBN in a way that makes Stephen Conroy sound like a screaming chimpanzee hurling feacies at tourists. If you are interested, be warned, you are in for an epic read!

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/02/21/3435975.htm

And with that, on with the show!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt Rudd will challenge to be honest. He wants the record to state that the Labor party made a mistake by ousting him in 2010 - he's had two years to come to terms with the fact that huge elements of the party would rather eat their own entrails than see him return as leader. He would be well aware of the fact that he does not have the numbers.

I expect that his upcoming announcement will be that he is not contesting the next election. He's been kissing arse around the UN - I can see him grabbing a nice post there and riding off into the sunset, Labor being annihilated in 2013 as his final vindication.

How do I feel about everything? Well, f**k it all, honestly. We have this bizarre scenario where we have a functional government that has actually passed legislation (some of it half decent), yet by all outward perceptions is completely dysfunctional and near collapse. It's frustrating to no end. I don't want these policy initiatives watered down or removed by a Coalition government.

I've never envied Gillard since she had to challenge Rudd. Being despised by everyone in the country you obviously love, demonised relentlessly, your actual achievements largely unrecognised, internal politics like this... if I were her, I'd have quit long ago and gone to hide out at some resort island for a few years. That being said, despite all these challenges, half of her current standing is a result of all these goddamn self-inflicted blows.

Rudd? I like Rudd as an individual. But I don't think Nicola Roxon was exaggerating that much when she said she, as health minister, would not know what Rudd was about to announce at press conferences about her very ministry.

Also f**k the media for trying to create the news again. Still smarting about how they were blind-sided by the Gillard challenge in 2010, they've been predicting a Rudd challenge since the 2010 election. Late 2010, early 2011, late 2011... f**k you Australian media.

TL;DR: I hate everyone.
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So Kevin Rudd just did a conference am i the only one who thinks it sounded exactly like a election speech.... People buy large quantities of popcorn because this is going to get fucking awesome!

EDIT: Gillard just said she will be having a vote Monday so only time will tell.
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Yeah Rudd definitely wants to be PM again. It sounds like he's been working towards this for a while too.

Why can't we have a good PM after the next election? Everyone currently vying for it is terrible =\
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People hate Abbott... I don't know why. Both Gillard and Rudd have a lot of hate (and support) depending who you ask. Personally, I believe that regardless who leads Labour, they are toast this election.

And it's funny how both Gillard and Rudd had stabs at Abbott during their speeches (which sounded a lot like election speeches). Liberals must be laughing at the moment, watching Labour implode.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Liberals are too busy shaking their heads at being led by Abbott.
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^ I don't see too much dysfunction. Give Joe Hockey time, he'll be the next leader of the party.
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The problem with Abbot is he is too good as an opposition leader. By attacking the person instead of the policies labor can just switch leaders and the public will be hopeful again even though Labor's policies don't early change that much.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People hate Abbott... I don't know why. Both Gillard and Rudd have a lot of hate (and support) depending who you ask. Personally, I believe that regardless who leads Labour, they are toast this election.

And it's funny how both Gillard and Rudd had stabs at Abbott during their speeches (which sounded a lot like election speeches). Liberals must be laughing at the moment, watching Labour implode.


I think Abbot comes off as a bit of an extremist because of his religious viewpoints, but I also think it's a bit of a stretch for people to assume it'll actually have a noticable impact of party policy. I'm not really a massive fan of Abbot myself, I'd prefer Turnbull should be the leader as he seems relatively intelligent.
One thing I am sure of is that I don't think the current government deserves another chance, and all this petty bickering and infighting isn't helping them at all. In fact I think they're past the point of recovery, but I'm no expert.

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By attacking the person instead of the policies labor can just switch leaders and the public will be hopeful again even though Labor's policies don't early change that much.
You would hope the general public would have learned their lesson from last time. If one thing is obvious from all this it's that it's not Gillard or Rudd who control the labor party so regardless of leader the same **** will happen.
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KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS.

How can a top politician rely on religion? There viewpoints hold no say. If a Muslim made his way into high order politics, there would be an uproar. That's how I feel about Christianity in politics.
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KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS.


Definitely, but saying an individual can't be a politician because they happen to be a part of a religion is just daft.
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Maybe it's cause I'm Catholic, or maybe because I haven't heard what Abbott has said on his religious views... but... what has he said?
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