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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Gimmicks: Yes or No? Reply with quote

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Do you like the direction Nintendo has gone, with all the control gimmicks the Wii has? (Wiimote, etc -- Let's leave the WiiFit out of this for this discussion, as it's entirely different IMO)

I for one actually don't like it, as much as I love the Wii. Most of the time it makes me look like a retard, swinging my hands around, etc. Sure, these sensor controls have made the Wii unique and all, but... does Nintendo really have any idea what we look like when playing? I actually lol when seeing the previews they make, with the people playing their Wiis. They look so stupid... it's so funny.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think anyone who feels embarrassed using the Wii has insecurity and confidence issues that stem beyond simple waggle waggle. It only makes you look stupid because you choose to perceive it that way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thoroughly enjoy using them and to be honest with the number of people i've seen swinging joysticks about as they play over the years, at least now they have an excuse.
I look forward to the day nintendo release a wii-chainsaw!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only look stupid in the games you're supposed to look stupid in (ie, Warioware). Most of the time though it's just all fun and as EatChildren said "anyone who feels embarrassed using the Wii has insecurity and confidence issues"
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With MS looking incredibly damn certain to launch a 360 wiimote, and sony rumored to be doing the same, the motion control/wiimote thing is becoming more an accepted standard than any sort of gimmick. I think most people have gotten over the "wii =wee lol piss jokes" stage and with the largest install base, however retarded you may percieve your swings to be they increasingly become normality.

Also, from outsider gamer conventions, is it not strange to press a button on a pad to swing an arm, rather than swing an arm to swing an arm in a game?

It's also the main reason people buy the wii to start with, i think it's safe to say that huge storage space and HD graphics aren't it's selling points icon_razz.gif Along with exclusive games and a reasonable price, people mostly want a different experience out of the wii to begin with.
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we'd organised a wii-centric bbq the other night, and it was a varied bunch who turned up, an even mix of guys and girls, gamers and non-gamers

and it ended up being such a bust, because NONE of the girls even wanted to give the wii a try (not to perpetuate any gender bias around here)

to be fair, we were playing games that are comfortably at the intense end of the waggle spectrum (mario and sonic olympics, raving rabbids), but yeh, the girls wouldn't go near it

nintendo's penetration of the female market is obviously a myth! icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EatChildren wrote:
I think anyone who feels embarrassed using the Wii has insecurity and confidence issues that stem beyond simple waggle waggle. It only makes you look stupid because you choose to perceive it that way.


No trust me, I'm very outgoing. I don't have insecurity issues or anything, so there goes that theory.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then why do you find it embarrassing? I certainly don't, my gamer friends don't, and my friends who know bugger all about games don't either. Mix of girls and guys too.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then why do you find it embarrassing? I certainly don't, my gamer friends don't, and my friends who know bugger all about games don't either. Mix of girls and guys too.


Because I have skinny arms and shaking the remotes around in some games while sitting down literally make me look like a physically challenged person in a wheelchair. Nothing against "special" people, I'm friends with one, it's just that... I dunno, kind of odd.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, honestly, it seems to be the only thing holding you back from your enjoyment of motion controls is the insecurity of how it makes you look.

If you can get past what people might be thinking when they see you play then you'll no doubt have a crapton more fun. For what its worth, I'm pretty chunky so when I play its like watching a marshmallow wave around plastic sticks.

To be brutally honest if anyone is really mocking you for how you look when you play then its entirely their loss.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I reckon you're crazy. It's an absolute joy to play games with. I can't even hold a standard
controller anymore [exaggeration], I find it really uncomfortable to hold my arms so close
together (rather than a couple feet away from each other with the mote/chuck combo)

Also, having used the balance board recently I can't believe how un-gimmacky it feels.
Bring on the next 1080 snowboarding!

I do think some of the previews look a bit retarded, but that's just because the actors
have to make huge gestures and don goofy smiles. icon_razz.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

most people who im playing wii with watch the tv instead of me.. icon_confused.gif
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Anyone rememberr the "shake it up" motion in Mario Party 8? 'Cos that made me pee myself.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not a gimmick or stupid at all, infact its one of the best uses of gaming controls in years. It gets people up and active in there gaming and is more interactive, I know that my neighbours child does alot better with games using the motion sensor than with games using a controller.

I can't wait to see what console Nintendo brings out next
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Back at the topic at hand, do I think it is a gimmick? Not really. Sure there are some gimmicky games out there, but a lot take it at ease. A common misconception of Wii games is that every game has you flailing your arms out of its sockets, but these games are not effective at all.

Using the 'mote/chuk's accelerometer should be used not so heavily. Games like Galaxy and NMH, only use it at certain moments and it is far more satisfying using the motion like that. That said, the waggle of the remotes is not quite up to stratch, and it will be interesting to see Nintendo's next console to see how more responsive the waggle is.

Of course the main reason the Wii mote is great is because it has a pointer. The pointing feature is by far the most valuable feature which is mostly lost due to waggle insane developers.
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For what its worth, I'm pretty chunky so when I play its like watching a marshmallow wave around plastic sticks.


That's awesome man! Judging by me, I look like I'm on some kind of stimulant drug, I twitch madly and pull out those really quick reflex actions.

But in all seriousness, I don't care what people think of me when I play a game. Why the hell are they looking at me anyway?

The only reason I don't have a wii and am not a big fan of them is because the motion sensors don't appeal to me. I like pushing buttons and sitting instead, using analog and all that to control.

In other words, I'm lazy.

And as for the question: It can be a gimmick but other times it can be used very well. Depends on the game and how it utilizes it really.
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nintendo's penetration of the female market


I'd like to penetrate the female market, if ya know what I mean.

On the subject of looking stupid playing games, the Wii has nothing on the DS. Making a system that is designed to be carried with you and played in public, then making games that require you to yell at it? Yeah, thats a great plan.
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My only problem with the waggling is that it's not as accurate as it could be and they tend to needlessly insert it where button presses would be more appropriate.

If I'm trying to precisely perform some specific actions and I have the choice between: "Waggle the controller up and down for 3 seconds until the game figures out what you want" or "Press 'A'", I'm going to choose the button press every time.
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nintendo's penetration of the female market

I'd like to penetrate the female market, if ya know what I mean.

Girls don't like you? Understandable. icon_razz.gif

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"Waggle the controller up and down for 3 seconds until the game figures out what you want" or "Press 'A'"


I know what you mean, but games that don't employ it well I don't really take seriously.

I'm fine with waggle to trick in Kart, and waggle to run in cut scenes of RE4, but waggle
to punch/jump/whatever in [insert game I haven't played] I don't think I'd go for.
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I'd hardly perceive it to be gimmicky in a social way. I don't know anyone who looks down on someone for playing one.

Though if you mean in gameplay, some games work out great, some don't. But for the most part it's worked out quite well, since it sells well and look how much Wii Fit is selling.
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nintendo's penetration of the female market is obviously a myth! icon_wink.gif


Because your BBQ would be considered effective and definitive market research into global trends of the rise in female gaming.
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I think the system was too ambitious for the available technology. It just does not work nearly as well as it needs to to make it viable in my mind.

Personally, I think Nintendo should have given the system an upgrade on par with the 360 and PS3 graphics, it certainly should have had HD output and Wii controls should have been an option to developers rather than a practical requirement.

The weak graphics capabilities combined with the gimmicky control system have given rise to lazy developers who generate thousands of crap games, which barely deserve to be called minigames, the likes of which I've never seen amassed in one place before, but now I do every time I enter EB.

I enjoy the ease of precise aiming in Twilight Princess. Apart from that, for me the system is a bust. Holding ones wrist at that angle for an extended period of time is also extremely uncomfortable. And the noise the fairy makes when you swing your sword? For the love of...

Nintendo have also shot themselves in the foot. They have never been one to embrace online services, but when it at least seemed that they would do so, they screw it up. Friend codes. Wii Codes. The complete inability to communicate with fellow players. What era do they think this is? And how does anyone expect an Animal Crossing MMO to exist in an environment that disallows communication of any kind? I for one find online gaming completely and utterly boring when there is zero communication, because I might as well be playing with a bot.

But a lot of people will now attack me, if not in responses but in their minds. Do as you will, it changes nothing icon_biggrin.gif
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And the noise the fairy makes when you swing your sword? For the love of...


I fucking HATE that noise, haha! I aim the remote away from the screen
so I don't have to hear it... stupid fairy...

EDIT:Most of your other statements may be true, but they're not
really gimmicks which the system is using to sell itself.
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Personally, I think Nintendo should have given the system an upgrade on par with the 360 and PS3 graphics, it certainly should have had HD output and Wii controls should have been an option to developers rather than a practical requirement.


And then Nintendo would have gone completely bust. The Wii was more than an attempted "revolution", it was also a marketing strategy. The Xbox360 already owned a massive share of the market and the PS3 was/is destined to do pretty well. Nintendo couldn't afford to compete on the same level. Sales would have been as crap as the GCN if not worse.

Having the motion sensing as an option for developers would have been a PS3 situation. 99% of third party titles not using it at all, and those that are using it pretty crappily and always including an alternative control scheme. Nintendo would be the only ones to use it, making it a useless addition.

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The weak graphics capabilities combined with the gimmicky control system have given rise to lazy developers who generate thousands of crap games, which barely deserve to be called minigames, the likes of which I've never seen amassed in one place before, but now I do every time I enter EB.


More caused by the large market and cheap development costs. If you remember, the PS and PS2 had an abundance of shitty shovel ware. It comes from being popular. In the defence of those systems, they had far more high quality titles though.

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Holding ones wrist at that angle for an extended period of time is also extremely uncomfortable.


You're the first person I know of who finds the setup uncomfortable. No matter how long I play a game I've never had wrist problems, and neither has anyone I know. Honestly, I was surprised as to how comfortable it was as I expected crap.

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They have never been one to embrace online services, but when it at least seemed that they would do so, they screw it up. Friend codes. Wii Codes. The complete inability to communicate with fellow players. What era do they think this is? And how does anyone expect an Animal Crossing MMO to exist in an environment that disallows communication of any kind? I for one find online gaming completely and utterly boring when there is zero communication, because I might as well be playing with a bot.


This I agree with. Nintendo are irritatingly stubborn. They have an attitude where they feel unless they "revolutionise" something they shouldn't use it, which makes no sense when certain mediums are already established. Their management of online has been atrocious, and I don't see how anyway can defend them when there are free user made programs that do more than the Wii's online does.
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