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ok, first of all i have changed the title now to reflect that series 1 has concluded - the final episode is now a FREE FOR ALL discussion, and as such, SPOILERS will be abundant. if you haven't seen the final episode, stop reading here. the events of the finale should now no longer be considered sacred - if you get the episode spoilt, you're an idiot.
i'll add this warning to a previous post where the finale discussion started.
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so... the final...
i personally thought it was brilliantly done. i was almost expecting some Matrix Revolutions style showdown between Sylar and Peter, but i'm actually glad they took a more emotional route - i especially liked the part where Sylar maintained he was the good-guy of the piece. the only minor criticism i had was that i would've liked a bullet-time-esque death of Sylar. i get that Hiro would've been able to port in, surprise him and get the killing blow in, but i thought it was a bit quick, if the scene was slowed, even paused like some of the other event Hiro had been to, i think the impact would've been more substantial.
it was kind of funny though, leading up to the explosion, we (the people i was watching with and i) were wondering why Peter didn't just fly out of NYC while he went nuclear, and then Nathan showed up and saved the day... kinda.
i didn't get the symbolism of the cockroach until i read Dare's spoiler/analysis, and it's a decent point, we didn't see Sylar's body in the aftermath, so it's possible he'll return for series 2 (or a spin-off or something).
i still didn't really get the point of making Niki and Jessica 2 separate personalities throughout the series, i suppose it was in order for them to have something to show in their element of the series, because really, a whole lot of nothing happened compared to everyone else.
i liked the "preview" to chapter 2, it's almost suggesting that Hiro helped shape the legend of Kensei - well, i dunno, i guess we'll have to see what happens there.
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Wow, that final really sucked. 23 episodes of buildup and the two most powerful characters start punching eachother? Then the guy who's quick enough to stop bullets takes a nice, slow sword to the guts?
Heroes had such a great start, then the filler episodes started, then the final turned out to be lameness on a stick.
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | it was kind of funny though, leading up to the explosion, we (the people i was watching with and i) were wondering why Peter didn't just fly out of NYC while he went nuclear, and then Nathan showed up and saved the day... kinda. |
My group had the same discussion too 
I think we settled on him being unable to control his powers once he started to heat up, hence his inability to fly out of the city.
The whole deal with him going all glowy was about him 'loosing control' so I suppose that's as good an explanation as any.
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^ yeah, we kinda said the same thing too, i think it came about because we were wondering why the nuclear power was the only one that he lost control over - ie: it would've been cool if his invisibility fluctuated at the same time (and some of the other ones too.)
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Peter couldn't fly out of the city once he started to lose control because unlike Sylar he seems to only be able to have one "active" power at a time. So while going nuclear he can't use any other power. At least thats the way i see it.
I found the fight between Sylar and Pete pretty under whelming. These 2 are built up as the two most powerful Heroes yet when they fight they just punch each other a bit? kinda weak IMO. Apart from that I thought the ending of series one was pretty good. The preview for season 2 has me really hanging out for it 
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from the finale, my impressions:
Sylar transferred his soul to the cockroach, which was why he was studying the cockroach previously.
The beginning to Chapter 2 with Hiro going back in time, I believe the lone horseman coming over the rise is the man from the stories Hiro's father used to be read. This person is also actually Hiro's father who I believe has the power of immortality. The story was told to Hiro to keep the tradition alive.
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| TheAnswer wrote: | from the finale, my impressions:
Sylar transferred his soul to the cockroach, which was why he was studying the cockroach previously.
The beginning to Chapter 2 with Hiro going back in time, I believe the lone horseman coming over the rise is the man from the stories Hiro's father used to be read. This person is also actually Hiro's father who I believe has the power of immortality. The story was told to Hiro to keep the tradition alive. |
Thought the same things.
This would also explain Hiro's fathers' appearance on the Enterprise.
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| TheAnswer wrote: | | The beginning to Chapter 2 with Hiro going back in time, I believe the lone horseman coming over the rise is the man from the stories Hiro's father used to be read. This person is also actually Hiro's father who I believe has the power of immortality. The story was told to Hiro to keep the tradition alive. |
Yeah, I had an inkling that'd be how that panned out. At least, I knew the lone horseman must be Kensei (?), and when they went to the close up of his face I could have sworn I saw Hiro's dad...
And then there's the eclipse which has been a recurring theme throughout the series, at least in a visual sense. It's in the logo after all. I don't think they've ever delved into that in season one. Should be interesting to see what that has got to do with anything.
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| TheAnswer wrote: | | The beginning to Chapter 2 with Hiro going back in time, I believe the lone horseman coming over the rise is the man from the stories Hiro's father used to be read. This person is also actually Hiro's father who I believe has the power of immortality. The story was told to Hiro to keep the tradition alive. |
i can't believe i didn't get that. good theory.
i don't even recall a close-up, like Cap mentions, but the whole thing does make sense now.
(Kudos to Cerebral for the Sulu gag  almost as good as his Limo's numberplate being NCC*1701)
| Capoeira wrote: | | And then there's the eclipse which has been a recurring theme throughout the series, at least in a visual sense. It's in the logo after all. I don't think they've ever delved into that in season one. Should be interesting to see what that has got to do with anything. |
there was also the eclipse at the very beginning of the series too, when Hiro and his work are doing calisthenics on the roof of the building, and Hiro looks up at it.
the other thing i wanted to theorise on was the one Molly said was scarier than "the boogeyman" (Sylar). i initially thought it to be Angela Petrelli (the mother - not Nathan's wife), but once the "daydream" sequence with Peter overhearing the conversation with Angela and Charles Deveaux, i wondered if the fact that Charles could "see" Peter (or at least was aware of his presence) despite being invisible, if that were his power... the ability to know when someone is thinking about you (a pretty crappy power, if you ask me) - although his death kinda puts a dampener on this theory.
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I was wondering if everyone here has heard about Heroes: Origins yet. It is going to be a 5 or 6 episode series played about halfway during Season 2 of Heroes. Each episode is going to centre around 1 character and show the dillemas they go through when they realise they have power's and what they then do, they also aren't meant to have anything to do with the actual characters from Heroes. At the end of the series there is going to be an online vote where the world get's to vote which character gets to join the cast of Heroes at the start of Season 3.
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Yeah i have heard of it i actually like the idea even thoe there fillers. There going to be played when Heroes go on there holiday. I am all for it. 
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The online vote thing sounds so damn cheap and dodgy. But the series should hopefully be interesting enough.
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | the other thing i wanted to theorise on was the one Molly said was scarier than "the boogeyman" (Sylar). i initially thought it to be Angela Petrelli (the mother - not Nathan's wife), but once the "daydream" sequence with Peter overhearing the conversation with Angela and Charles Deveaux, i wondered if the fact that Charles could "see" Peter (or at least was aware of his presence) despite being invisible, if that were his power... the ability to know when someone is thinking about you (a pretty crappy power, if you ask me) - although his death kinda puts a dampener on this theory. |
Someone mentioned that they thought the new boogeyman was Charles Deveaux, but I discounted that because he was too nice to Peter in that sequence. If he was this mean person who could hurt Molly then he wouldn't have been nice to Peter when he went back in time.
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| TheAnswer wrote: | | ObsoletE wrote: | | the other thing i wanted to theorise on was the one Molly said was scarier than "the boogeyman" (Sylar). i initially thought it to be Angela Petrelli (the mother - not Nathan's wife), but once the "daydream" sequence with Peter overhearing the conversation with Angela and Charles Deveaux, i wondered if the fact that Charles could "see" Peter (or at least was aware of his presence) despite being invisible, if that were his power... the ability to know when someone is thinking about you (a pretty crappy power, if you ask me) - although his death kinda puts a dampener on this theory. |
Someone mentioned that they thought the new boogeyman was Charles Deveaux, but I discounted that because he was too nice to Peter in that sequence. If he was this mean person who could hurt Molly then he wouldn't have been nice to Peter when he went back in time. |
nah trust me it's a new main bad guy. I bet we have not seen him yet. One of my predictions about the show is Sylar will join the good guys in season 2 to take on the next bad guy. I got the chills when i heard that little girl say that about the boogeyman, i was like ohhhh how awesome is this .
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^ i don't really know why we should "trust you" - don't take that the wrong way, i'm not intending to be harsh or anything, but realistically those are the only two options they have, isn't there: completely new character is the new villain, or a previously established character will be re-established as the new villain. i'm betting on the latter.
i think your Sylar prediction might be somewhat correct, though i think it'll be more likely billed as a twist within the series, rather than having him join from the get-go. there'll be some scene like at the end of Pirates of the Caribbean 2, where everyone is like "what do we do?" and then the door opens, having been concealed until the moment was right.
if he's still alive, i'd rather Sylar join the new villain i think.
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| ObsoletE wrote: | ^ i don't really know why we should "trust you" - don't take that the wrong way, i'm not intending to be harsh or anything, but realistically those are the only two options they have, isn't there: completely new character is the new villain, or a previously established character will be re-established as the new villain. i'm betting on the latter.
i think your Sylar prediction might be somewhat correct, though i think it'll be more likely billed as a twist within the series, rather than having him join from the get-go. there'll be some scene like at the end of Pirates of the Caribbean 2, where everyone is like "what do we do?" and then the door opens, having been concealed until the moment was right.
if he's still alive, i'd rather Sylar join the new villain i think. |
The reason why i say it will be a new villian is because who else will play the next main bad guy. Who is more powerful than Sylar??? That's the only reason i say it hehe. Ohh and btw i would love it if Sylar joins the next bad guy that would rock 
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^ but that's my point, we haven't seen what Angela can do, and neither do we really know why Charles Deveaux set up his society apart from "for the betterment of the world". yes, his motives seem magnanimous in the finale of chapter one, but perhaps there were selfish motives too.
if i were a betting man, i'd guess that Angela was the person more boogier than the boogeyman, but i guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Well I'll admit she looks like a Boogeyman, with her garish looks but we haven't been introduced to this Boogeyman, it will be a completely new character.
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Oh is it finished... good, now I can say how overly dissapointed I was in the finale. The whole episode was one big anti-climax. Even the start of season 2 didn't phase me, with Hiro and father in past, because I was so angry at what appeared before my eyes... nothing that's what, ugh. I was excited about season 2 when reading about it before the first season even finished, but now I have no hype. No doubt when I start watching s2 I'll be back with my Heroes glee.
But thankfully the Lost finale replenished my hate with awe.
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Yeah i agree that it was a very dissapointing ending as in the episode 'five years gone' we see peter and sylar about to fight and it looks like it is going to be an awsome fight as sylar (ice) and peter (fire) are about to have a face-off i was looking forward to a massive fight with great effects. But it was just punching and i was left with a 'what the?' all through out the end.
Still i am looking forward to season two as it will have nothing to do with season one with all new characters and storyline so it looks good.
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Regarding the eclipse, there was actually a few.
The eclipse
In addition to being the series logo, a solar eclipse has been a recurring image in the series itself, though a terrestrial eclipse (an eclipse in which the Earth covers the Sun, as viewed from some observation point away from the Earth) is used in the series' title sequence. So far, the solar eclipse has appeared as:
- The background of the title card of the series.
- A painting by Isaac Mendez.
- A "global event" in "Genesis".
- A future event referenced in a newspaper.
- A picture in Mohinder Suresh's apartment.
- The reflection of a light in a hospital waiting room in "Six Months Ago".
- An event during Hiro Nakamura's visit back to 17th century, Japan in "How to Stop an Exploding Man"
stolen from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_(TV_series)
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Ok people everyone knows i am a major fan of heroes ok i have to links for the fans of heroes that they might want to see. The first link is to 6 parts of videos for the comic con conference really really good:
http://www.heroestheseries.com/videos-of-heroes-cast-at-the-2007-comic-con/
Ok the next one is a Teaser Clip for Season 2 of Heroes:
http://www.heroestheseries.com/heroes-comic-con-season-2-teaser-clip/
Happy to help hehe i can't wait to watch season 2 and just think in 27 days USA will get the box set of Heroes Season 1 on DVD and HD DVD. which i have preordered the HD DVD version from amazon
*EDIT* Please if anyone can find a better quality teaser clip for Heroes Season 2 please post the link i will be very greatful
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