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Re: Kootaku - Developer staff are really contractors engaged with employee benefits that are retained on a project by project basis. Does it suck, sure; but it like hiring a builder to build your house and then he complains because you aren't letting them develop a housing precinct.
Damn - aren't I supposed to be leaving? Might see that extra 499 after all.......
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Man the end of that kotaku article about the way that developers aren't the ones struggling to evolve. It's kind of amazing the fact that pretty much every single creative industry is going through a similar thing. Book publishers, music studious, movie studios etc are all to one extent or another going through the same situation where the people that actually make the products are finding new and creative ways to distribue there products (Ebooks, personal websites, kickstarter movies) while the gate keepers are losing there shit trying to shut down everything.
They really can't last that much longer can they?
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| emech wrote: | | Re: Kootaku - Developer staff are really contractors engaged with employee benefits that are retained on a project by project basis. |
> Checks resume
> Sees 7 and a half years with one game development company
Sorry, guy, but the Aus industry wasn't anything like that. There were lots of people jumping between studios, but most big companies tried to keep their staff. The industry quite simply wasn't set up like the Hollywood system down here. And, in fact, it was one guy trying to push a system like that that caused Krome to go from three owners to two owners.
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^^ I'm not saying they were legally contractors but ALL employees are on a "contract"..... Development studios (and presumably their staff) have to pitch ideas to get funding. If the idea wasn't funded or seen as viable (either by external or internal funding sources), then the project didn't happen.
Any company wants to retain their staff to recupe the investments they have placed in them, but if the projects not sustainable then the employment "contract" has to end resulting in redundancies. As noted, its not just the games industry.
Does this mean that I am not saddened that industry investment and innovation isn't occurring, of course not. I'm just saying that any employee that believes a job is for life is fooling themselves.........
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^ I think what you're trying to say is employees depend on a business having work. If there's no work, then there's no employees. Yeah?
Most any business or industry will follow those same rules.
What Goob's is trying to point out is that not everyone was a fixed-term hire. E.g. after the project they weren't necessarily sacked.
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| Benza wrote: | | the thing I don't get about the whole 'no sympathy for drug users' is what, where is this attitude when someone gets killed on the road? |
Ah benza, how your opinions bait me. I never know if your trolling or we just don't see eye to eye. I also have no sympathy for hoons, drunk/drugged drivers, drag racers, unlicensed drivers, over-tired truckies, speeders and any other person who isn't driving with safety in mind - who I am fairly confident contribute to the vast majority of driving deaths - Please note deaths here - I am sure there have been genuine accidents resulting in fatalities where these things aren't a factor, but I'm yet to hear of them. Pain for those they injure and kill by the buckets, sympathy for idiots..nil.
Edit - obviously deaths as the result on mechanical failure - where the vehicle has been regularly maintained and serviced - are genuine tragedies for all concerned......
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so basically if anyone does anything that in anyway contributes to there death then no sympathy?
Jeez dude that's wicked harsh.
What about people that swerve to miss something, like a kangaroo runs out in the road and they drive into a tree etc. Hell a guy at work had an anurysm while driving and rolled his car and was in hospital for like 2 months. There are plenty of reasons you could die on the road that have nothing to do with being an idiot.
Also yeah, genuinley not trolling I just think we disagree on a lot.
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Any death is sad for those who loved and knew the person. Accidental deaths are tragic (and not examples resulting from behaviors I've suggested)
If someone KNOWINGLY engages in an activity that puts their life at risk and then finds themselves with their life at risk, whose fault is it?
Lets be clear.. I include my own choice to risk diabetes and heart disease through poor diet and lack of exercise in this. Should I develop these conditions, than I have only myself to blame, and I shouldn't expect sympathy for what is a scientifically predictable outcome.
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I thought she was a man...bouncer defends king-hit
This provided a bit of a laugh around the lunch room today.
| Story wrote: | Christopher James Anderson, 36, told the Supreme Court in Townsville yesterday that he thought 33-year-old Jane Maree Beteridge was a man when he punched her on March 28, 2009, outside the Queens Hotel.
"I honestly believed she was a man, she was wearing a long-sleeved dark shirt, jeans and her hair was short," he said.
"Afterwards I kept asking 'Are you sure she is a woman? Are you sure she is a woman?'." |
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^ 1 year olds and mutes aren't people? Cool
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I don't want to sound like Bill Hicks, but: basically, yeah.
Except for mutes. They're physically capable of telling me I'm wrong through writing or sign language.
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Here is a pretty great read on the broad topic of personal computing vs. copyright vs. business vs. Government: Lockdown, by Cory Doctorow.
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I um... linked that a while ago during the SOPA/PIPA thread.
Great read, though.
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I um... Ignored most of that thread. Whoops =\
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Great read, thanks Karai.
Lulz, Norm, was that where you were talking about Doctorow being the coolest or most awesome person on the internet or something? I think that's why I skipped it when you linked it.
Have you read Down And Out In The Magic Kingdom? Was recommended by a friend after way too long discussing the pros and cons of a resource based economy. Coz that's what we do for fun. I haven't read it yet but would like to.
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| StorminNorman wrote: | | I um... linked that a while ago during the SOPA/PIPA thread. |
Yeah goddamnit Karai, you bastard. Obviously Norm had first dibs.
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Lulz, Norm, was that where you were talking about Doctorow being the coolest or most awesome person on the internet or something? I think that's why I skipped it when you linked it. |
I know I mean obviously it's Coelasquid. I mean stormo should be a fan she even drew ponies!
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Pfffft. I bet you that guy never sweeped an award ceremony and walked off with five awards.
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | Here is a pretty great read on the broad topic of personal computing vs. copyright vs. business vs. Government: Lockdown, by Cory Doctorow. |
I think that the whole issue also requires reflection on society structures. Copyright basically exists so that creators of works are able to receive fair reward for their creation. However, in this age of wiki and as information itself is a commodity, the value of shared knowledge in creating greater returns Vs single entity ownership and control of information raises issues.
An example on todays news is the discovery of gene related to cancer, and its discover is claiming sole legal right to research an use the gene in working towards a cure (obviously to patent and monopolise the eventual sale of thier results) - The capitalistic drive has lead to investment in discoverys such as these and thus deserves fair returns, but how much is research slowed because results are only available to the selected few minds (or those willing to pay for it)
It like the conflict of ideal between encouraging group work and brain storming in students, but have a instant failure penatly foe plagiarism of anothers ideas or where our testing methods call such sharing cheating. Is it cheating to teach others what we know and develop our own ideas further through the input provided by other in return? Which are we wanting: Shared knowledge or individual reward? How can both be balanced? The issue is MUCH bigger than just stopping pirates and protecting corporates (although these objectives do drive most policy as the corporates aim to protect their positions in the market)
TLDR: Copyright slows advancement and seeks mainly to protect profits, but is essential in a capitalistic society, and thus the question for future generations is what society values do we want?
EDIT: It needs to be said though that capitalism has fostered fast and large changes in technology and development, thus countering the suggestion that corporate copyright isn't valuable..........
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The correct answer is, as always, Communism.
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| StorminNorman wrote: | | The correct answer is, as always, Communism. |
Well - maybe market socialism? Though I tend to oppose any ism to the exclusion of an others as I don't think any one person can claim an ultimate system/truth. Surely there is a middle ground?
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