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Should've done real time boobs. Plenty of skin on boobs too.
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I'm apparently not being clear. This gen saw the introduction of DLC / online passes and the like (as has been noted in several other threads) - clearly next gen will see a game purchase being the price only the initial price of access to a complete experience, with the aim of shareholder concern over customer experience. When its a 99 cent entry (such as itunes) I can support unlock DLC, when its $80 plus a single-purpose hardware purchase I'll pass.
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That doesn't really have anything to do with oligarchies and trade restrictions. It's just companies milking extra money out of consumers (which, again, isn't anything new, with unnecessary sequels and expansion packs being around since the 1990's).
And, honestly, I don't think it will ever get to the stage where the consumers cannot get a complete experience out of their initial $60 investment. So many of us would simply not pay for the games and go elsewhere.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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The difference with expansion packs is that they were always made after the original game and only due to high sales and or fan base demand. DLC is a different beast.
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| Cyph wrote: | | The difference with expansion packs is that they were always made after the original game and only due to high sales and or fan base demand. DLC is a different beast. |
What about needing to buy the ram expansion to play half of the game like with the 64?
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| Benza wrote: | | Cyph wrote: | | The difference with expansion packs is that they were always made after the original game and only due to high sales and or fan base demand. DLC is a different beast. |
What about needing to buy the ram expansion to play half of the game like with the 64? |
Well only 2 games needed it. But isn't that something completely different? It was an add-on for the console to improve its capability. It'd be like having an add-on for the 360 that allowed higher res textures or something.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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What Gecko said +1
I mentioned it before, DLC is great when its fresh, value for money and wanted. But when it's either a) something purposely (for the sake of DLC) held back from the original development cycle, b) on the disc but locked out, or c) stupidly over priced, then that's when it goes wrong. Hell, even the third point I can accept as long as it isn't part of a) and or b) and isn't required to enjoy the game.
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| G3ck0 wrote: | | It'd be like having an add-on for the 360 that allowed higher res textures or something. |
Or WiiMotion+, Kinect or Move.
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| emech wrote: | | When its a 99 cent entry (such as itunes) I can support unlock DLC, when its $80 plus a single-purpose hardware purchase I'll pass. |
99c apps are so last year. Now it's free but with in-game purchases 
Maybe Nintendo are gearing up for this too? I don't know, nor care. I'm very unlikely to get a WiiU.
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the thing that I really don't get about this whole thing
Single purchase download only games with no ability to trade them in or trade them with friends.
Valve do it:
Awesome company, supplying what the fans want, revolutionising the industry.
Microsoft/Sony do it:
Evil blood sucking souless corporations only out for the money of there fans.
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I've never heard anyone complain about the lack of used sales on XBLA but not Steam.
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Gamers? Hypocritical? Fuck off! Take that back!
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Cyph gets as far as the DLC concerns of the next gen go.
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Valve gets praise because they do operate with customer convenience in mind, and this has lead to its success. Same with itunes really. Valve offers sales twice a year upto 90% off.
Sony/msoft still have "games on demand" at full RRP 5 years after release. With no 2nd hand market or retail competition (because that how EBs/GAME stay in business, not through new sales) the oligopoly i was referring to is sealed and the customer is screwed.
Further it could be argued that steams success is exactly why the PC market is always lamented. The lack of alternatives to steam for PC games means that if you aren't willing to pay their prices, you pirate because there is no 2nd hand / retail sale market to go to. . I expect sony/msoft/Nintendo console market control would do the same.
EDIT: sorry for the thread hijack......
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| Benza wrote: | the thing that I really don't get about this whole thing
Single purchase download only games with no ability to trade them in or trade them with friends.
Valve do it:
Awesome company, supplying what the fans want, revolutionising the industry.
Microsoft/Sony do it:
Evil blood sucking souless corporations only out for the money of there fans. |
Well to me personally, it's because of price. I remember pre-ordering Portal 2 for less than $50, around $40 maybe? Anyway, $40 for a brand new PC game. It would have cost $80-$90 on consoles. So even with buying a console game and trading it in, I'd be out more money than simply buying it on PC and owning it "forever".
I bought a couple of PC games recently that would have cost me $60-$90 on consoles, for less than $20. So even if I finished and traded in the console version, I'd be down more than $20.
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While we're discussing DLC, there is one example I'll like to mention of DLC done right; UMvC 3 - Heroes and Heralds. Yes, they were planning on having it on the disc on release but it didn't make it. Still, Capcom released it as a free DLC. It's a honest and right. Now, they should do the same for Jill and Shuma.
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| Cyph wrote: | | Still, Capcom released it as a free DLC. It's a honest and right. Now, they should do the same for Jill and Shuma. |
funny cause I'd argue that entire fucking game should have been DLC.
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^ Yes, it should've been. Just pointing out that we could've been burnt even more.
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honestly I'm surprised you of all people bought it at all. I mean even I've sworn off of buying there shit because of there fucked up DLC and I like DLC 
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I picked it up dirt cheap.
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CCTV police officer 'chased himself' after being mistaken for burglar
| Quote: | An undercover police officer "chased himself round the streets" for 20 minutes after a CCTV operator mistook him for suspect.
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| Quote: | The junior officer, who has not been named, was monitoring an area hit by a series of burglaries in an unnamed market town in the country’s south.
As the probationary officer from Sussex Police searched for suspects, the camera operator radioed that he had seen someone “acting suspiciously” in the area.
But he failed to realise that it was actually the plain-clothed officer he was watching on the screen, according to details leaked to an industry magazine.
The operator directed the officer, who was on foot patrol, as he followed the "suspect" on camera last month, telling his colleague on the ground that he was "hot on his heels".
The officer spent around 20 minutes giving chase before a sergeant came into the CCTV control room, recognised the “suspect” and laughed hysterically at the mistake.
The details of the operation blunder were leaked to Police magazine, which is published by the Police Federation, this week by a senior officer who witnessed the embarrassing incident.
Sussex police were unable to provide further details of the incident, the officers involved or where it occurred.
The anonymous officer, believed to be the PC's sergeant, told the monthly magazine: "An officer who joined a team in Sussex as a new probationary officer was soon very keen to do any plain-clothes operations and be as proactive as possible.
"He would be waiting at the end of his shift hoping to be unleashed for a further couple of hours of plain-clothes duties.
"On one such occasion in a little market town in Sussex which has suffered a spate of town centre shop break-ins, officers were on plain-clothed foot patrol when a report was received of a suspect male in one of the side roads.”
"The CCTV operator soon had the suspect on camera and everywhere he saw the male the keen PC was on his heels – radioing in to say he was in the same street.”
He added: "Every time the man darted in to another side alleyway, the PC was turning immediately into the same alleyway, but every time the CCTV operator asked what he could see there was no trace."
It was at this point that the sergeant entered the control room where he recognised the junior officer.
"With the sergeant's sides aching from laughter he pointed out to the PC that the operator had been watching him unaware that he was a pain-clothes officer – thus the PC had been chasing himself round the streets."
A police source told The Daily Telegraph: "We've had a couple of funnies lately, but all taken in good spirit."
On Tuesday night a spokesman for the force, which has about 3000 officers, could not provide any further details on the operation due to a lack of information.
He added: “Policing is often a serious business, so we all enjoy moments of light relief.
“This story was shared anonymously with the Police Federation magazine, so unfortunately without the date or location, confirming the details and locating the officer is harder for us than it was for the CCTV operator.”
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taken from here
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| Benza wrote: | | funny cause I'd argue that entire **** game should have been DLC. |
That reminds me, did the Arcade Edition DLC for SSFIV ever materialise? I know AE was released as a separate retail package, but I also remember reading that you'd be able to buy it as an upgrade for SSFIV if you already owned it.
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@ stormo, sure did, came out like the same time as the disc release (I think it might have been before the disc from memory)
Art History redone for pop culture
These are awesome.
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| Benza wrote: | the thing that I really don't get about this whole thing
Single purchase download only games with no ability to trade them in or trade them with friends.
Valve do it:
Awesome company, supplying what the fans want, revolutionising the industry.
Microsoft/Sony do it:
Evil blood sucking souless corporations only out for the money of there fans. |
Fanning the fires
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_245/7285-Steam-A-Monopoly-In-the-Making
"Despite Steam's grip on the digital distribution market, retail stores are still where most gamers buy their games. But that won't be the case forever. Today, Valve can avoid attention because it is only the biggest fish in a relatively small pond. But what happens in 10 years, when digital distribution likely accounts for over half of all game sales? What happens in 20, when digital distribution has taken over almost completely? And perhaps most importantly of all, what happens if Valve's current gamer-friendly management retires or is ousted in a corporate coup?"
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