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The difference is that the Mass Effect trilogy is three seperate arcs, each with an ending, and then a larger over-arcing plotline which spans all three games. Plus it was always marketed as a trilogy.
Ffxiii-2 was presented as a stand alone sequel, ontinuing from a game with a fully realised (messy) story, that has now been chaned to the middle of a trilogy and instead of doing it the right way like in novels, or Mass Effect, they cut out halfway through the arc with no sense of finality and said, 'lol buy the next one to get the ending to this game."
It's similar to if they stopped FF7 at the end of disc 2 and said, 'This is no longer stand alone, buy the next game to finish this one."
TL;DR Wanting to make a trilogy is fine, but they presented it horribly and they deserve some flac.
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| sithsylar wrote: | Reviews are in people
| Quote: | RPGSite – 80 (Import/English)
Eurogamer – 8
Machinima – 9
Digital Spy – 4/5
Inthegame.nl – 9
Joystiq – 3/5
IGN – 8
OPM UK – 8
The Guardian – 4/5
Destructoid – 8
DIY Games – 8
GameTrailers – 8.8
OXM – 8
GameSpot – 7.5
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Looks like we have a pretty awesome game on our hands.
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I am excited for this don't get me wrong! But I have to agree with Vervain. A "to be continued" is sloppy.
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Really, I think that SE's only mistake was not putting a "to be continued" message at the end of FFXIII (though I'm sure people still would have complained). Of course, planning out a trilogy is not always easy. If the first game bombs, then things get awkward. So I can understand why SE have done things this way. However, I agree that they could have handled FFXIII-2 better, by announcing that the series will be a trilogy a few months ago at least. That would have been a much better way for people to find out about it.
As for a "to be continued" message being sloppy, I prefer that to having the game simply stop abruptly or having a false end.
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I don't mind a trilogy - even if the middle stops on a dime, but to have several chapters DLC planned, yeah I can wait.
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| emech wrote: | | I don't mind a trilogy - even if the middle stops on a dime, but to have several chapters DLC planned, yeah I can wait. |
I agree, but I still can't wait.
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Even if it is a 'to be continued' ending as long as it successfully tells a self-contained story within itself I don't mind if there's going to be a sequel.
Even the Destructoid reviewer says he actually really liked the ending, even though he admitted it'll probably be a little divisive.
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Isn't there suppose to be multiple endings though? or is there just one 'cannon' ending from the outset and a heap of endings you get from dying at different points during the game?
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Maybe the third game has multiple beginnings?
Ok, I don't really believe that myself.
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | sithsylar wrote: | Reviews are in people
| Quote: | RPGSite – 80 (Import/English)
Eurogamer – 8
Machinima – 9
Digital Spy – 4/5
Inthegame.nl – 9
Joystiq – 3/5
IGN – 8
OPM UK – 8
The Guardian – 4/5
Destructoid – 8
DIY Games – 8
GameTrailers – 8.8
OXM – 8
GameSpot – 7.5
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As a point of comparison 13 has like 86% on meta critic. So it doesn't look like they've actually improved on 13 at all.
Weather that's good or bad I suppose depends on your oppinion of 13.
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They could just have an ending that suggests the story isn't complete without actually spelling it out. Or better yet, close off the story (well, as far as to make most players think it's finished) and surprise them with a sequel!
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| Benza wrote: | As a point of comparison 13 has like 86% on meta critic. So it doesn't look like they've actually improved on 13 at all.
Weather that's good or bad I suppose depends on your oppinion of 13. |
Metacritic has XIII-2 at 80% so far but that's only 10 reviews counted. I think 8 and 9's across the board is pretty impressive.
As for the ending, I'm not really fussed, it's the journey that counts. I won't be touching the DLC at all so hopefully whatever it is isn't essential to the main game.
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Benza wrote: | As a point of comparison 13 has like 86% on meta critic. So it doesn't look like they've actually improved on 13 at all.
Weather that's good or bad I suppose depends on your oppinion of 13. |
Metacritic has XIII-2 at 80% so far but that's only 6 reviews counted. I think 8 and 9's across the board is pretty impressive.
As for the ending, I'm not really fussed, it's the journey that counts. I won't be touching the DLC at all so hopefully whatever it is isn't essential to the main game. |
Actually, it's at 10 for PS3 and 15 for Xbox 360 with the 80%.
Normally, as well, the scores tend to drop as more reviews come out.
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Yup just noticed that. Gamefaq's hasn't updated their stats yet. I wouldn't expect the score to drop much now after 10 critic reviews. The PS3 version is also at 80%.
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | I wouldn't expect the score to drop much now after 10 critic reviews. |
Normally they hit 40+ reviews and the score tends to drop 5 to 10 points.
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| Vervain wrote: | | Pagan's Mind wrote: | | I wouldn't expect the score to drop much now after 10 critic reviews. |
Normally they hit 40+ reviews and the score tends to drop 5 to 10 points. |
We'll see  . I'd say it will sit around 78%.
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Vervain wrote: | | Pagan's Mind wrote: | | I wouldn't expect the score to drop much now after 10 critic reviews. |
Normally they hit 40+ reviews and the score tends to drop 5 to 10 points. |
We'll see . I'd say it will sit around 78%. |
70 - 80% is now considered "average" with how easy it is to get a good review score. It's also pretty low for an FF game, even considering it's a sequel.
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Just think, it used to be fairly rare to see a Final Fantasy in the 80% bracket, let alone the 70% ratings bracket (gamespot). The main series used to be in the 90% bracket fairly consistently.
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| Vervain wrote: | | Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Vervain wrote: | | Pagan's Mind wrote: | | I wouldn't expect the score to drop much now after 10 critic reviews. |
Normally they hit 40+ reviews and the score tends to drop 5 to 10 points. |
We'll see . I'd say it will sit around 78%. |
70 - 80% is now considered "average" with how easy it is to get a good review score. It's also pretty low for an FF game, even considering it's a sequel. |
I'm totally not surprised by the critic scores, actually I thought they'd be lower than that. But 80% is fairly good for a JRPG as they tend to naturally score low. RPG Fan hasn't posted their review yet, they tend to rate RPGs a lot more fairly.
| Banefire wrote: | | Just think, it used to be fairly rare to see a Final Fantasy in the 80% bracket, let alone the 70% ratings bracket (gamespot). The main series used to be in the 90% bracket fairly consistently. |
That's true but that was during a time when they were making Final Fantasy games with the tried and tested formula.
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | I'm totally not surprised by the critic scores, actually I thought they'd be lower than that. But 80% is fairly good for a JRPG as they tend to naturally score low. RPG Fan has posted their review yet, they tend to rate RPGs a lot more fairly. |
Personally, I'd say RPG Fan overrates a lot of rpgs and is hardly an impartial reviewer. Not like there is such a thing as an impartial reviewer.
I can understand that some sites score RPGs lower because they aren't big fans of the Japanese themes and stuff behind them, but recently a lot of rpgs are god awful gameplay-wise and aren't up to scratch graphically (although that is FINALLY changing, 5+ years into this gen) and try to get around that by trying to appeal to the otaku crowd and being "kooky and typically Japanese".
The occasions where a really good RPG comes out, with a great story, gameplay and graphics it gets a good score. Like Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Disgaea and Shin Megami Tensei.
Stuff like Trinity Universe (62, which I think is generous), is god awful in every way and Ar Tornelico (61) and Atelier Rorona (65) tend to be the sort of games that appeal highly to die-hard fans, but really aren't very good mechanically.
Yes, I own the games I just wrote about, and yes, up until recent times my favourite genre was the humble JRPG.
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This game's out this week, right? Has it broken street yet?
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It comes out on the 2nd...so no it hasn't broken the street date on the 30th.
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| Vervain wrote: | | Stuff like Trinity Universe (62, which I think is generous), is god awful in every way and Ar Tornelico (61) and Atelier Rorona (65) tend to be the sort of games that appeal highly to die-hard fans, but really aren't very good mechanically.. |
I wouldn't lump the Atelier series into that lot.
Anyway I disagree about RPGFan. The entire fact that they specialize in RPGs reviews is proof enough they know the genre well. Gamespot and IGN seem to love giving niche games (Hyperdimension Neptunia for example) to reviewers that have never played one before and end up going off on a tangent about how disgusting or immoral it is.
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| Quote: | | The entire fact that they specialize in RPGs reviews is proof enough they know the genre well. |
It's also proof that there is going to be a bias in there reviews.
It's kind of like trusting a call of duty modern warfare fan site for an objective review on the new call of duty.
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| Benza wrote: | | Quote: | | The entire fact that they specialize in RPGs reviews is proof enough they know the genre well. |
It's also proof that there is going to be a bias in there reviews. |
There's always going to be a little bias in any review from any review site.
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