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| MIkes wrote: | | The thing is movie companies are making more monkey than ever, even indexed for inflation. |
MPAA promises 120% more monkey per monkey.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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And who can complain when they're rolling in monkey?
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| MIkes wrote: | | Fetidchimp wrote: | | as someone on /b said, it is more about the record and movie companies becoming obsolete and them grasping the precipice of being irrelevant, especially record companies. |
The thing is movie companies are making more monkey than ever, even indexed for inflation. They're not seeing file sharing for what it is; free advertising.
The recoard companies are different. Teh cost of music was artifically inflated for decades before the companies and retailers could. When it's possible to pay a fair amount for just the songs you want, the crap they were peddling and padding beforehand fails to net the revenue they used to get and the bloated dinosaurs fall down.
The last five albums I bought were direct from the artist's website, given them all the money. |
The odd thing is that should have happened years ago with record companies, god i remember saying in high school that artists should just start selling stuff off their own website when the internet gets faster (it was 1992)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Gold. Perhaps Wikipedia shold come down more often for thr lulz.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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haha apparently xvideos.com blacked out their stuff today... not double checking this while I'm at work though.
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| GooberMan wrote: | |
Now that's a great way to put things in perspective. 
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I couldn't even read past 10 or so of the twitter comments on herpderpwiki. So many blaming the president, not even bother reading why the website blackouts happened even when sites provide direct links to the issues, blaming gay people, etc.
...It really hurts my head when I see some people talk/post. I'm sure there are quite a few trolls, but even then...
Natural selection, work faster.
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yeah as one dude was saying yesterday, they have the power to do this shit anyway so i have no idea why they started crapping on with this sopa bull shit.
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| Fetidchimp wrote: | | yeah as one dude was saying yesterday, they have the power to do this **** anyway so i have no idea why they started crapping on with this sopa bull ****. |
The difference is the DMCA they have to get the approval of a judge and actually go through the courts, people get a chance to defend themselves etc. It's not entirely fair but it's fairer
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i think the simple way to slash piracy rates would be to not stagger a films release dates over 6 months, makes no fucking sense.
Also reading the dmca and sopa, they both need court orders
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Yes, plus simultaneous release and worldwide distribution of music, games, comics, books, apps and everything else downloadable/piratable. Especially porn.
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| Fetidchimp wrote: | | i think the simple way to slash piracy rates would be to not stagger a films release dates over 6 months.. |
And to allow people to stream or download HD TV shows as they're released worldwide for a small fee. They'd net so much friggin' money.
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infographic of hollywoods history of things that 'will shut them down'
Link cause it's huge
http://addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SOPAinfographic1.jpg
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Also reading the dmca and sopa, they both need court orders |
This guy explains it way better then me
| Quote: | Remember how I mentioned "fair use" and "safe harbor" at the beginning of this post? Let's circle back to that now.
I use a lot of social media - YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter to share information, links, videos and other online content. And I do this under the "Fair Use" doctrine, which allows me to use copyrighted material without permission for "transformative" purposes such as commentary, criticism and parody.
What is a "transformative" use? If this definition seems ambiguous or vague, be aware that millions of dollars in legal fees have been spent attempting to define what qualifies as a fair use. There are no hard-and-fast rules, only general rules and varied court decisions, because the judges and lawmakers who created the fair use exception did not want to limit its definition. Like free speech, they wanted it to have an expansive meaning that could be open to interpretation.
Now, to illustrate my point, I'm going to link to this really cool video created by a fan of "Castle", the ABC Television show I work on. Go ahead, have a look. I'll wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...
Great video, isn't it?
It also happens to be made up of hundreds of copyrighted clips I'm reasonably sure ABC Television never gave permission to use. But that's OK, because I'm also reasonably sure the video is covered by Fair Use. But if I'm wrong about that, this is where DMCA's "safe harbor" provisions come in.
Safe Harbor assumes I didn't knowingly post anything which violates US copyright law. So even if my ISP gets a take-down notice from ABC, Safe Harbor is supposed to protect me as long as I comply with the notice and remove the video.
Together, Fair Use and Safe Harbors allow for innovation because they create safe space for both free expression and honest mistakes. But content providers hate Fair Use and (more importantly) Safe Harbors because providers think these exceptions take the teeth out of enforcement, creating loopholes you could drive a truck through.
SOPA/PIPA gets rid of Safe Harbors. There is no safe space. A copyright holder can initiate a "private right of action", convince a judge to issue an injunction (which we now know is way too easy to do) get your domain blocked, your advertising pulled and your finances frozen.
And thanks to to SOPA/PIPA's immunity provisions, a copyright holder wouldn't even need a court order shut you down, just a letter to your service providers threatening to.
This section says that anyone who takes voluntary action "based on credible evidence" basically gets full immunity. Think about what that means in practice. If someone sends a service provider a notice claiming infringement on the site under this bill, the first thing every lawyer will tell them is "quick, take voluntary action to cut them off, so you get immunity." Even worse, since this is just about immunity, there are no counter notice rules or anything requiring any process for those cut off to be able to have any redress whatsoever.
Between blanket immunity, the loss of safe harbor, and the lack of any redress for impacted site owners, SOPA/PIPA actually incentivizes wholesale abuse.
It's already happening. Entire legal industries have been built around responding to DMCA takedown notices in bulk. Thin-skinned businesses routinely ignore Fair Use to issue DMCA takedown notices against sites which criticize them. Unscrupulous content providers also sue legitimate online competitors for copyright infringement just to bankrupt them.
In 2007, Universal Music Group (UMG) brought a lawsuit against Veoh Networks (Veoh), a video hosting website, alleging that Veoh facilitated copyright infringement by providing a website that hosted videos containing music owned by UMG. On December 20, 2011, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a summary judgment in favor of Veoh and held that Veoh was protected by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's (DMCA) "safe harbor" provisions....
While Veoh's website was found to be perfectly legal, its victory is bittersweet; the small startup company filed for bankruptcy early in 2010 from the high cost of defending its case.
At least under DMCA, Veoh could keep it's business running while the case was litigated.
The SOPA/PIPA bills, however, would have immediately shut Veoh's website down before it even had its day in court, thereby keeping Veoh from running its business which, in this case, was ultimately found to be perfectly legal. There is cause for concern when copyright holders abuse the law to stymie innovative new startups.
There are also some nasty implications for political campaigns. Implications that ought to give the bill's Congressional supporters pause.
Imagine you are running for Congress in a competitive House district. You give a strong interview to a local morning news show and your campaign posts the clip on your website. When your opponent's campaign sees the video, it decides to play hardball and sends a notice to your Internet service provider alerting them to what it deems "infringing content." It doesn't matter if the content is actually pirated. .... If you don't take the video down, even if you believe that the content is protected under fair use, your website goes dark.
I'm sure nothing like that would ever happen, because, you know, it never has before.
During the waning days of the 2008 presidential race, there was an important but overlooked occurrence on the John McCain campaign. In mid-October, the McCain campaign awoke to find that its Web videos and online advertisements were disappearing from its YouTube page.
The culprit turned out to be a major television network claiming they owned portions of the videos and that posting the clips was a violation of copyright law. Even though the campaign, and many others in the online community, believed the content to be privileged under the "Fair Use Doctrine," the videos were pulled down.
John McCain, by the way, is one of PIPA's co-sponsors.
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I think they are trying to amend it to remove the court order but i don't know if they actually have yet...
the dude from pirate bay said it best, hollywood was built on trying to avoid copyright
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| Fetidchimp wrote: |
the dude from pirate bay said it best, hollywood was built on trying to avoid copyright |
How so?
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Seeing that the MPAA and Feds can do things like this without SOPA, it just screams out to me (if it wasn't obvious in the first place) that SOPA was more for the censorship than it was the anti-piracy.
Megaupload made up approx. 4% of the internets total bandwidth. Fucking insane.
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| Frozencry wrote: | | Megaupload made up approx. 4% of the internets total bandwidth. |
Holy shit!
Is the other 96% is from porno?
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| MIkes wrote: | | Fetidchimp wrote: |
the dude from pirate bay said it best, hollywood was built on trying to avoid copyright |
How so? |
| Quote: | Over a century ago Thomas Edison got the patent for a device which would "do for the eye what the phonograph does for
the ear". He called it the Kinetoscope. He was not only amongst the first to record video, he was also the first person
to own the copyright to a motion picture.
Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures
in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call
Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.
There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them - like
Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.
So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they
circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works,
without paying for it. They did it in order to make a huge profit. Today, they're all successful and most of the
studios are on the Fortune 500 list of the richest companies in the world. Congratulations - it's all based on being
able to re-use other peoples creative works. And today they hold the rights to what other people create.
If you want to get something released, you have to abide to their rules. The ones they created after circumventing
other peoples rules. |
I think someone worked out megaupload was 102 000 terrabytes
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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OK, that fills in some gaps in my knoweldge, thanks.
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