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Jeremy


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: EA issues statment on Syndicate ban |
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| EA issues statment on Syndicate ban by Jeremy |  | | PALGN News: Want Syndicate? Well, tough... | | [View Article] |
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Jaws


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Then I'll buy from NZ. Good on EA for sticking to it's guns. When you've worked hard on something as expressive as a video game, I agree that it would hurt the quality of the final product and is not worth it just to appease an "arcane" ratings system.
It's a real shame that it takes such time for the actual change in legislation to come into effect.
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zzyss

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:29 am Post subject: |
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The sad thing is that Australia is a backwater market that isn't big enough to influence large companies' business strategies. Hence restrictive government policy is literally distorting the market - allowing them to charge higher prices (which then goes into this whole "GST for online goods" debate).
Gah. So annoyed that I can't even string a coherent thought together. Hope you understand what I mean.
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GooberMan


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Not to put a damper on EA's argument there, but the original Men In Black was voluntarily trimmed by the studio so that it could get a PG in cinemas rather than its original M rating. Slightly different cutting RC down to MA15+, sure, but it's not like it's unheard of in other media.
It's still a joke though. Import it, the chances of customs opening your package is rather low. _________________
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Benza


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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The key difference is that those cuts weren't being imposed onto MIB to get it released, it was voluntarily undertaken by the studios in order to get more people to watch it. That shit happens all the time with movies who want to increase their audience (see Die Hard 4)
MIB still could have been released in it's original form without a problem, they just would have made less money. _________________
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Camm


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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A shame, I was going to buy the special edition. Oh well, will just import a key.
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JackSlack


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Bravo to EA. This is always the correct response: Refuse to modify your game. Yes, it sucks for us, but it's the response that makes retailers furious with the government and puts pressure on them to change their policies. Nothing speaks quite so much as money, and both EA and retailers have just lost money here.
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cluderi


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to see EA sticking to their guns and showing out classification system to be the joke it currently is.
Nice to see responsible adults in NZ can enjoy the game without society breaking down and the country being plunged into chaos.
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GooberMan


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: | | The key difference... |
Well, the main reason that I brought it up is that you can describe it in the exact same way: A piece of entertainment was given a rating, and to get another rating in order to make more money parts would need to be voluntarily modified or cut.
It's a small logic flaw in their argument, is all. The details are quite different, but easy ammo shouldn't be given to the opposition like that. _________________
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Benza


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I see what you're getting at but I don't agree with it being the same thing. That said on looking into it there are a whole bunch of movies that have been RC'd untill they were editied to be let into the country.
Human Centerpede 2, Pink Flamingos, A Serbian Film, Urotsukidoji and a whole bunch of others have all been censored at various times to get into the country. A bunch of them still haven't been released uncensored. _________________
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Pagan's Mind


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'm glad EA doesn't bow down to censorship and they shouldn't.
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Gamesta


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I hope these guys stick to their word unlike the ones who made AvP.Sure we got the game undedited but I would have like them more if they just stuck to their word. _________________ Welcome to the internet. Where any joke can turn into WWIII.
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Fyuusii


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Gamesta wrote: | | I hope these guys stick to their word unlike the ones who made AvP.Sure we got the game undedited but I would have like them more if they just stuck to their word. |
Umm, what? _________________
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs... and they do not fear.
They cannot fear..."
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Jaws


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I think he is talking about Rebellion with last year's Aliens versus Predator and how Sega appealed and overturned the refusal of classification.
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Benza


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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but... isn't that a good thing? They refused to censor it and just resubmiited the exact same game and it got classified? What word did they break? _________________
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Gamesta


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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: | | but... isn't that a good thing? They refused to censor it and just resubmiited the exact same game and it got classified? What word did they break? |
They said that they agreed with the decision to ban the game but then resubmitted and unedited version anyway.
IIRC they said they would not appeal the ban but they did just that. _________________ Welcome to the internet. Where any joke can turn into WWIII.
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BigBoss

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Jaws wrote: | | Then I'll buy from NZ |
Yes, got a mate in NZ will just get him to gift it to me Easy solved
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Benza


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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Gamesta wrote: |
IIRC they said they would not appeal the ban but they did just that. |
That's not what they said. They said they wouldn't censor it
| Quote: | We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices,
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They agreed that it was aimed at adults. They never said they wouldn't appeal the ban though. _________________
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Fyuusii


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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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^ Exactly. And I'm bloody glad they did resubmit without caving in. _________________
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs... and they do not fear.
They cannot fear..."
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renegadesx


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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I applaude EA on this move. If I owned a multinational, multi-billion-dollar gaming company I would have just boycotted Australia until the classification system was fixed.
Yes, if I owned EA I would not release Mass Effect 3 in Australia, not send it to the OFLC and openly encourage people to get around the classification system by importing... from a place where the Australian authorities cant touch me  _________________
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Karai Pantsu PALGN Moderator


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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:04 am Post subject: |
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^ No, you wouldn't, because you'd be willingly shooting your own profit margin in the foot for no good reason. _________________
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rufati

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| zzyss wrote: | | which then goes into this whole "GST for online goods" debate |
GST is already applied to online goods. And imported goods are subject to a GST if they're valued at or above 1000 AUD (or are tobacco/alcohol). Currently retailers are trying to get that threshold lowered by 50%. _________________
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Furianshi PALGN Moderator


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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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We are less than 3% of the global industry market. Games intended for adults are either going to be carelessly shoe-horned into a lower classification for our region, or not released at all.
I don't care either way, I rarely buy locally because of the pricing.
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