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Xtra


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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't know of this Dusk you speak of, I shall investigate.
Do I go towards the waterfall or the other way around the lake?
After defeating the Hydra I went up the ladder near the waterfall.
Also I forgot to mention, I found the coffin to the giant world, is there another way out of there other than the coffin?
I spoke to the large dude in the large coffin for the trophy and then exited via the same coffin.
I was on a call when the coffin moved the first time, it scared the shit out of me!!! _________________
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grim-one


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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I should go and reinforce my long bow. Seems I'm going to have trouble killing everything melee =\
Also how high do you guys think I should push STR and DEX before focussing on END and FAI?
I think I've currently got 32 STR, 16 DEX, 30 END and everything else is around 12. I've been pumping STR to try and use the big weapons and shields. Turns out I should have just been using this lightning spear all along. Tempted to push STR up to 50 to use the crazy big axe though =) _________________
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Cyph

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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grim-one
I think I stopped STR at 34, the requirements needed to use the Great Shield of Artorias. I pumped my VIT up to around 30 in NG+ and NG++ but left it at default until then. You may need to pump your DEX up a few points depending what weapons you want to use. ANY lightning weapon is great; with your STR so high, why don't you make a lightning weapon out of one of the STR dependent weapons?
My recommendation (thanks to Denny aka Frozencry); Lightnight Zweihander, 24 STR 10 DEX. You get it at the top of the catacombs, where the graveyard is.
Xtra
Pass the waterfall but don't go up the ladder. Let me draw it...
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Where;
H= is where the Hydra normally sits
L= the ladder
G= golem
D= Dusk
(bah, the formatting isn't coming through...)
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grim-one


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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Progress report:
Killed the hydra, joined the Forest Covenant, got my Ring of Fog.
Explored Demon's Ruin and killed Ceaseless Discharge. Killed a couple of Taurus Demons but decided to leave them for now as they're bloody tough. Also couldn't be bothered fighting a million respawning Capras, even though they go down pretty easy.
Went back to Anor Londo and cleared my way through to the bosses. Managed to take down one (Ornstein) but the other guy clobbered me when I failed to dodge properly.
Apparently the order you kill these guys makes a difference to what items they drop or become available? Anyone know more about that? I got a Leo ring off Ornstein when he died. _________________
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OropherX


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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I didn't know about that ring because I killed Smough first as I wanted Orstein's soul to make his spear and his armour set to be available from that merchant.
If you want smough's soul and armour set then beat Orstein first. _________________
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grim-one


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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Ah! Thanks! I didn't realise that. I'm not sure I really want either of their weapons, but I guess I need both to get trophies anyway. I'll probably kill Ornstein first as I might actually be able to use the hammer, unlike the spear.
Are either of the armours any good? Currently wearing a mix of the gold edged robe and painting guard armour or the Stone set. _________________
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OropherX


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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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orstein's armour is nicely balanced _________________
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Mick Saige

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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah - Im currently rocking Orsteins, ive been using the stone armor alot, this armor is pretty tough - but also boasts some solid resistences, including up to 70 curse - which is hella handy as im up to the dukes archives. freaking crystal everything.
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OropherX


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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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last boss was disappointing for me through my own fault - not really meant to be soul level 101 for last boss of first playthrough :/ I think in ng+ I'm going to try and melee him, sunbro (Solaire) tanked him and my magic pretty much destroyed him in seconds. Although he did manage to hit my once which took half of my health straight away =p Funny how sunbro's attacks and magic are so pathetically weak but he can take hits like a BOSS.
Man I forgot this game had a story, it's certainly 'less focussed' than Demon's Souls, I didn't even get what happened but it was like 10 seconds long, ie not important compared to gameplay so whatever =p I'll platinum it sometime later this year, no rush for me as I'm already close to it =)
edit: lol asylum demon I forgot where you first fight him, he jumped down on my homing soulmass and instantly died. intelligence 50 yeaaahhhh1!!1!
Anyway in terms of story, what do people think is the real ending, | Quote: | | linking the fire or walking away? I just saw the walking away ending on youtube and thought to myself "oh oops". |
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Stoneroth


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Gwyn is relatively easy as a mage anyway, just need to avoid taking damage. He could really mess me up but my Crystal Soulmass just destroyed him.
I don't think there is a 'real' ending, but I think I prefer the second one you mentioned, although I haven't actually seen it yet.
I wouldn't mind getting stuck into the trophies too, as well as Catherine, but I have way too much to play haha. I think I'll start a melee/faith based build when I go for the platinum anyway as I'm sick of my mage.
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OropherX


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I don't see the need to have a separate faith build to intelligence one because you only really need 30 faith to be able to use most miracles and you can use velka talisman for that with all your sorceries. It would be harder the other way around though since the better sorceries require 40+ int. _________________
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grim-one


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Man Smough and Ornstein are tough. Not so much the first one, but the second fight is crazy deadly. Tried summoning Solaire and he goes down so fast in the 2nd part he's pretty much useless.
Gave up and went to the catacombs. I think I'm right at the boss fog now. _________________
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GooberMan


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Kill Ornstein first. Smough basically keeps the same attack patterns but with lightning - as opposed to killing Smough first, which turns Ornstein in to uber Ornstein.
Solaire can be useful for distracting one or the other, but every time I approached in human form there were a few online summon signs waiting there. Much more preferable to Solaire. _________________
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grim-one


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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But the reason I'm trying to kill Ornstein first is because he's harder. I don't want to try and do it in NG+ when it's twice as hard! =)
I wish there were summon signs on the steps (aside from Solaire), I would have grabbed them if I saw them. _________________
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GooberMan


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Twice as hard in NG+? But you'll be four times the beefcake! _________________
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grim-one


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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If I get fed up with it again, I'll try Smough last. It didn't go well when I first did that though. Ornstein is definitely the trickier to kill of the two - first or last =P _________________
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Cyph

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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, I found them extremely easy in NG+. Ornstein always gave me more problems than Smough though.
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Stoneroth


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| OropherX wrote: | | I don't see the need to have a separate faith build to intelligence one because you only really need 30 faith to be able to use most miracles and you can use velka talisman for that with all your sorceries. It would be harder the other way around though since the better sorceries require 40+ int. |
It's going to be hard to turn my mage into a tank, which is my aim, and I don't plan on using any sorceries what-so-ever. Velkas talisman is definitely a plus though.
I also consumed all of my boss souls in order to buy the best sorceries in my mage playthrough haha, I couldn't be bothered grinding and it sounded like Logan was going to turn hollow before I got around to buying them.
At least the game doesn't take very long when you know what to do. I'll decide when I eventually get around to playing Dark Souls again, as my backlog is too big.
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OropherX


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Logan only goes hollow once you've bought all the spells from him. Then he drops white dragon breath which is all kinds of win except it requires 50 int =D Logan's catalyst is also the best in the game, has the highest magic adjust apart from his hollow form one which also halves magic uses. _________________
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Pagan's Mind


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ornstein and Smough were cake in NG++. The bosses I struggle with are Stray Demon and Fire Sage.
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OropherX


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Ornstein and Smough were cake in NG++. The bosses I struggle with are Stray Demon and Fire Sage. |
which is surprising given how much health and stamina you have  _________________
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Fire Sage is probably the only boss who hasn't killed me yet
Just clobber him to death with a bleed weapon since he's one of the few bosses susceptible to it and block his AoE with the Crest Shield. Stray's does a lot more damage from what I've noticed.
I was expecting to fight an awesome pyromancer dude when I heard about him and ended up being pretty disappointed _________________
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OropherX


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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i was disappointed you never get to fight the Izalith Witch, whatever happened to her... _________________
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| OropherX wrote: | | i was disappointed you never get to fight the Izalith Witch, whatever happened to her... |
You did. Bed of Chaos. The catalysts that relate to Lost Izalith explain that the witch and her brethren attempted to recreate the first flame, only to consume both her and her followers. It then morphed into the abomination that you now know as the Bed of Chaos.
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Pagan's Mind


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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| OropherX wrote: | | Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Ornstein and Smough were cake in NG++. The bosses I struggle with are Stray Demon and Fire Sage. |
which is surprising given how much health and stamina you have  |
I know . A hit from Stray's axe does around 1000HP to my character and it doesn't take him long to hit me again before I get out of the way or take a drink. Fire Sage likes to jump backwards after attacking so that can make things difficult when you have Iron Flesh up.
Ironically Four Kings and Ornstein/Smough were the easiest bosses in my solo NG++ run.
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