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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a great point as well even though its song lyrics icon_razz.gif Can a memory of staring at text on a screen or playing a computer game with someone over the internet beat actually going out to all kinds of varied places and doing crazy memorable things with people you can see and touch?


Perspective of reality and enjoyment of it is entirely subjective.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to socialise a lot more online, since in school I was both something of an outcast and somewhat overprotected by my parents - I was rarely allowed to go out with my few friends/to their houses - and it was a lot easier to find people who shared my interests online. I was also far too invested in certain Pokemon forums icon_razz.gif and at the time I was actively maintaining websites in a couple of fandoms and that also added to the amount of time I spent in online interaction.

When I started uni I gained a lot of freedom, there were a lot more people to befriend and hang out with and I found myself growing to like offline social activity. I now have a couple of regular things where I catch up with some friends every week or couple of weeks, but I find the drawback to that is that it's really hard to catch up with everyone offline, whereas you can update a Facebook status or carry on an email conversation and keep in touch easily online. At this point I probably prefer meeting people IRL but it's also a lot more tiring than sitting in front of a computer icon_razz.gif

I think there is definitely still something to be said for online social activity - a couple of my friends have pretty bad anxiety issues and while I do coax them into the sunlight occasionally, it's much easier to keep in touch online icon_razz.gif Plus you can make some really great friends online - I recently spent a week in Minnesota with someone I've considered my bff for 7 years but hadn't met previously, and even after meeting him we're still best friends icon_razz.gif
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So coincidentally I ended up going out tonight, I didn't spend any money and was pretty damn bored. I came home and listened to Alex tell me about all the fun he had tonight I missed out on.

I'll admit a lot of my reason for having a preference for online interaction is my friends, but where I live and other things outside of my control also have a big influence on that, I live in a small sort of surfey town, we have one club and it plays music I hate. There's not many people like me here, the few that ever are here move to the city when they finish School. That said I'm pretty happy with how my life is currently and none of this really bothers me.

I get the impression a lot of you criticizing my preference for online interaction don't seem to have understand or have experienced VoIP in the same way I have (and do on an almost daily basis). It can't really be compared to anything text based like forums, facebook or msn.

At the very least, it sounds like the interaction you're having is keeping you off Hikikomori levels of not going out. All in all, there's nothing wrong with the form interaction you take so as long as it doesn't end up taking you to the extreme levels of just staying inside and having absolutely no contact with the outside world.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is quite an astounding topic. I mean there's no doubt you can make some great friends online, who you can become close with and talk to daily, but it's absolutely incomparable to having people who actually love you IRL. You open the door to a room full of close friends and see their faces light up at your mere presence, you feel the energy of other people just excited to see you... nothing can ever substitute that.
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Real life has real sex. Sure beats porn. End topic.

Seriously though, if you honestly think socialising online is any substitute for real life, you need help. I get badly depressed during times when my socialising is completely online. Even if you're only leaving the house to go to work/school, you need that human contact or you just end up feeling awful.
This is the most closed minded thing I've ever read.


Believe me, I've tried the online thing. I've had longish periods of my life with little to zero IRL interaction, and it just made me feel like crap, even though I was keeping up with people online.
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If it makes you happy having most of your contact online then good for you, but I think you might be kidding yourselves...

Its just too limited with how you can interact and what things you can do. Real life interaction is better in absolutely every way.
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Online interaction is more convenient for me but all the best times I've had were actually engaging face to face with people. You can have a good time chatting to someone online, you just can't have a great time.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*ahem*

This not a matter of absolutes - one isn't always better than the other.

Personally, I try to maintain a good balance of both. Sometimes I really need to just chill in my own space for a while to deal with my own shit and make sure that I'm operating with my own drives. Sometimes I just want to go out and lose myself in friends and frenzy, share energies and connect with those I hold dear. And sometimes the quiet night with select company is what's for dinner.

The important part is not to get stuck too firmly into the one situation, that simply leads to stagnation.
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I am one who is shy, i can enjoy my own company - love having time to myself away from the craziness i usually have to put up with (be it work, family or other) without becoming a weirdo!. I am quite social, sometimes it might take a bit of extra poking and prodding though.

I do find it harder to hang out with friends, imore to the point that the LARGE circle of friends i once had, has become smaller and smaller as the years go by. This is mainly because everyone has moved on to other things (be it other circles of friends, having a young family themselves now and not being able to hang out as often... other than b'days and christmas parties etc)


I find it a lot easier to communicate online than in person, on the internet it is easier to talk with people you can relate to on a subject matter (eg: video games) than it is out in public. In real life it takes a lot longer to find common ground with people i have met for only the first time. Although i usually win them over with my charm and wit icon_surprised.gif

I do ponder if the internet has played too much of a role in this, i have noticed a lot of txt/internet/msn style chatter leak out of peoples mouths. It's quite sad seeing the dumbing down of conversation in real life, much like on a computer.


** In saying that i can somewhat see the writing on the wall for myself if i don't straighten up in other areas. I'll be having Grandpa Simpson "in my dayyyyyyyyyyyyy" style conversations with a check out operator and i'm still young icon_razz.gif icon_surprised.gif
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Offline>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Online in ALL regards, especially fighting games.
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Through high school I would definitely take online. I was heavy into MMO's and had a lot of "friends" I'd play with regularly. I only saw my school mates during the holidays or the occasional party. Otherwise most of them I would play online with anyway.

These days, with Uni and work, I don't play MMO's at all (haven't since the HSC, 3 years ago). And all of my friends are busy with their own things, so the only way to catch-up is either hang out at someones house with pizza, beers, xbox's, or to go out to a pub. I hate clubs immensely, maybe its because I'm not single anymore, but I just see the whole thing as a ridiculously expensive room where a beer costs $8, you can't talk to anyone because the music is too loud, so all you can do is dance or spend more money. I always opt for a good old pub, or a free bar.

But, I am still fairly anti-social IRL I think. I haven't made as many new friends at Uni as other people, instead staying close with my old school mates.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karai and GTPod are the only posts I've read which are entirely reasonable, well put and not condescending and ridiculous unlike many others.

I live a pretty balanced life in social interaction. Sometimes I want to be asocial and isolate myself because I'm tired from the social aspect and just want me time. Other times, I like to socialise. Most weekends I go out with my girlfriend and other friends, and usually on weekdays I study and do my own thing, and interact a lot with online friends.

Am I depressed because a lot of my time is spent online? NOPE. Have I been depressed? Yes, but only if I get to an extreme point, in which I make a note to change something and go out with friends. Balance is the key behind it; these things can live in unity. Whether or not you prefer one over the other though is entirely subjective and it's amazing how many people act like superior arseholes instead of realising that some people are simply not as social as others.

Humans are social creatures naturally, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect every single human to be a social butterfly just like you.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denny wrote:

Humans are social creatures naturally, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect every single human to be a social butterfly just like you.


I don't understand why everybody thinks being a social butterfly can't be afforded to people who only socialize online. Anybody who judges someone for spending a majority of their time online clearly has a different situation going on with their IRL vs Online friends that they are comfortable with, hence they see that as being the norm.

I think it is entirely subjective, some people see online as anti-social, they probably don't do it at all. Others who do it fairly regularly (most people here) might see it as anti-social compared to the alternative. But in the end it is what YOU are most comfortable with, and which people YOU enjoy talking too more.
I have a friend who is very sociable, friendly and witty, if I introduce him to new people he'll get along with them great most of the time, he is not a shy person in other words. But for the most part he doesn't like socializing much IRL at all. Does this make him anti-social? If he has regular people he catches up with online, his real life friends included in that, why would most people consider that to be a negative?

In other words, he is more sociable than me but spends much more time online than me. I don't think people who spend time online should be directly conducive to them being not as social as others, they just have friends they are comfortable talking to in that medium.

I do concede though that spending ALL your time online and not having any real life interactions is detrimental overall, whereas spending all your time doing the opposite probably isn't at all depending on the person. In the end its balancing what you are comfortable with.
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Am I depressed because a lot of my time is spent online? NOPE. Have I been depressed? Yes, but only if I get to an extreme point, in which I make a note to change something and go out with friends. Balance is the key behind it; these things can live in unity. Whether or not you prefer one over the other though is entirely subjective and it's amazing how many people act like superior arseholes instead of realising that some people are simply not as social as others.


I honestly believe that the whole depression/insanity that people (myself included) feel when they don't socialise externally has little to do with the socialisation aspect and a lot to do with the fact that you are bored shitless by constantly seeing the same four walls.
I mean, walking the dog alleviates this problem, and you aren't really socialising with him.
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This is quite an astounding topic. I mean there's no doubt you can make some great friends online, who you can become close with and talk to daily, but it's absolutely incomparable to having people who actually love you IRL. You open the door to a room full of close friends and see their faces light up at your mere presence, you feel the energy of other people just excited to see you... nothing can ever substitute that.
I agree with this, but I haven't experienced it since school, all my smart cool friends moved to Brisbane. Now I only have two friends that live nearby, one of them I don't actually like and the other is a hopeless druggo that owes me a decent amount of money. It's a fairly small (compared to any cities) bogan area so making new friends isn't easy. That said I do head down to Brisbane about once a month to catch up with my close mates, but it's too far to go on a regular basis. I also work in a bar, which is a very social fun job, so that helps too.

Karai Pantsu wrote:
This not a matter of absolutes - one isn't always better than the other.
I agree, I probably should have gone with a better title too, although the one I chose got a pretty good reaction so I'm happy with it haha.

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I honestly believe that the whole depression/insanity that people (myself included) feel when they don't socialise externally has little to do with the socialisation aspect and a lot to do with the fact that you are bored **** by constantly seeing the same four walls.
I mean, walking the dog alleviates this problem, and you aren't really socialising with him.
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Offline>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Online in ALL regards, especially fighting games.

Which is why my mind is still boggled as to why people care so much about playing fighting games online. ^^;

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Karai and GTPod are the only posts I've read which are entirely reasonable, well put and not condescending and ridiculous unlike many others.

I think what set a lot of people off initially was the OP generalizing about how interacting with friends offline cost too much money. I'm sure many of the posters saw that as a bit ridiculous in itself.
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'Offline' socialising wont matter in the end when we're all nothing more than a hive mind of electronic signals bouncing through servers and terminals.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DancesInUnderwear wrote:
Complaining that going out and actually talking to people (online chatting is not 'talking' to people) is too expensive, when you are on a gaming forum and probably therefore spend $100 every other week on vidja games, is ridiculous.

shinhawk wrote:
I think what set a lot of people off initially was the OP generalizing about how interacting with friends offline cost too much money. I'm sure many of the posters saw that as a bit ridiculous in itself.


This is a flawed argument, if being on a video game forum means we buy $100 worth of video games every week, wouldn't this also mean we would have less money available to spend on food, our children and alcohol?

There seems to be a trend emerging in this thread, that console gamers are more likely to be depressed and thus aggressive due to a lack of offline social contact when compared to their master race brethren. icon_confused.gif
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I am horrible at both, and do very little of either compared to everyone else I know.

Being around people or socialising really drains my energy and being by myself energizes me.

EDIT: In person is generally much better though.
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None of the good times with mates that I hold dear ever happened online. I mean yeah you can play games together online I guess, but what do you actually do? you can't go anywhere or do actual things (and no, drinking and clubbing and pubs aren't the only things people do offline) I think a lot of people seem selfish and picky to be honest. It seems like if someone isn't talking about exactly the things you like or do they aren't worth talking to, if you only socialize with people just like you you're probably boring as all hell.

Don't get me wrong, online interaction has it's place, but if there is something going on in my actual life the laptop gets closed every single time.

Also, maybe other people might be more interested in you and thus be able to be better friends with you if the only this you do wasn't sit in front of a computer all day. No one gives a s*** about something that happened online. Every time I see my brother all he talks about is WoW and Reddit. No. One. Gives. A. S***.

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^I think you've misinterpreted my posts (if it's me your talking to). I'm not some socially retarded person that sits on my computer all day because I can't socialise offline. I've even said, I do go out and catch up with mates on a semi-regular basis, I find it easy to get along with people and even work in a job that requires a certain level of social ability. It's just that I observed that often I rather be on Ventrilo than out at the local club and thought I might make a thread out of it for some lulz.

Also no, I'll happily talk to people with different interests to me and I can actually find them more interesting, in fact all my best friends in Brisbane I was talking about have almost completely different interests to me. What I like about them is that they're smart interesting people who share similar views, values, morals, etc.

A lot of these posts I find very amusing though and to me are pretty much saying "HOW DARE YOU ENJOY THAT YOU NEED HELP BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE ME DEPRESSED!" when really that's just an obviously flawed thing to think/say.

And on the topic of cost, ok, so it doesn't cost you all a lot of money, but for me it does. Where I live public transport doesn't exist after 10pm and so cabs are the only option home (Costs about $20-25) after a night out at a boring club that charges up to $20 for entry and $7 for basics, so for a single night out I'm looking at up to $40 minimum to be sober at a club, that alone is the most I will pay for any game these days. If I want to actually have fun I'm looking at the cost of traveling to Brisbane (~$40 fuel) plus any other costs on top of that. Hence why I prefer to go to Brisbane about once a month and mostly avoid going out locally.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, I'd rather paint the walls with my brains than go out to a club too.

A pint and parma at a nice pub is a different story.
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Pudding, gotta say, it looks like you were referring to my earlier post there, and I'd like to point out that I said not being social offline made me depressed, no ifs about it. It's not a case of "lololol u might b depresed if u dnt leave the house lololol" it's more that during the times where I hang out online at various forums because people IRL are pissing me off, or I have nowhere to go, I always feel terrible that I'm not leaving the house(especially if this occurs for extended periods of time). That leads me to feel depressed. Hell, for a while there I was in such a bad state that even chatting to customers in my shitty customer service job made me feel a lot better.

My personal experience in this matter has me thoroughly convinced that just about everyone is better off socializing offline. I hate clubs, like most of you, but that just means I prefer to go to a pub/bar and just chat, or go to a movie. Much better than sitting on my ass, glaring at Facebook for hours on end.

Edit edit: as far as cost, why not just invite a couple mates around and play some halo or Mario kart? Hardly costs you anything, and it's still better than Facebook.

Edit: social media is good for organizing things, or keeping in touch with people on the other side of the world, but nothing beats hanging out with a couple of really close friends.
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Not big on Facebook either, it's too mainstream.

Much prefer real time voice chat.
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sobriquet835 wrote:
I prefer to go to a pub/bar and just chat, or go to a movie. Much better than sitting on my ass


I go to movies with people when I don't want to have to socialise with them icon_smile.gif
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