Forum Changes + Other Matters [June 2011]

Sin Ogaris · Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:55 pm�� Post subject:

Given how petty people seem to be here and love a good revenge negging I actually think it's a genius idea to, in a way, "name and shame" abusers.

It'd probably have saved a lot of the old "OMG youse guys all love each other" comments that spurred in the past. In fact, wasn't that part of the reason that Dani doesn't post as often? Because people were moaning about her and Al3x plussing each other?

Exodus · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:06 am�� Post subject:

Sin Ogaris · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:10 am�� Post subject:

I meant that the current system already does that, by putting a name to a plus or minus it already is "naming and shaming" in a way. And quite frankly, if ANYBODY does something towards another member they're not comfortable with I'd like to think you could go to another mod/staff. Even an Admin if it's serious enough.

When it comes to mods, and Staff for that matter, we're acting as the face of PalGN, if one of us does something against a user it should be spoken up about as ultimately it looks bad on the Administrators and I'm pretty sure they'd want to know if the people they've employed/promoted are actually working in the communities best interests.

Hell, I've moderated staff before and been given the authority to do so (a particular instance in the past comes to mind), I'd do it again if they act up.

So yeah, if something happens, message someone, Hell, you can make it me.

GooberMan · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:14 am�� Post subject:

It wasn't a suggestion, but an observation of the current system. It's usually quite obvious when someone has been revenge negged as you usually see several negs from one person on one user on the same page.

I expect the mods would see names attached to an anonymous system much like it is now and be able to name and shame accordingly. I personally prefer the anarchistic way of handling that kind of stuff, ie the community will generally sort itself out. Anonymous experiments are always fun though, you'd be able to gauge exactly what the community is like if they think there's no consequence for a plus or neg.

EDIT: What Sin said.
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Sin Ogaris · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:16 am�� Post subject:

Heh, yeah. That would be kinda cool.

Exodus · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:25 am�� Post subject:

My mistake Sin, I kind of skimmed over the last few posts of Page 4 and thought you were actually suggesting some sort of list, which now I think is quite funny and unrealistically in bad taste. Oh man I must be tired, haha. That observation is true though, and in my short time here I've seen two particular users "revenge neg" two other specific users several times.

Thanks Sin, but that particular instance with the user (an admin) was settled with help from another admin. So I'm fairly certain what you outlined as ideal is embodied by the staff of PALGN, who helped me quite swiftly. I was still bummed about it so I suppose that's why I read your statement like, oh, shame list, how would that work.

The current system draws its issues but I think Goober's view of "the community will sort itself out" is generally the best way to continue.
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chickenplucka · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:35 am�� Post subject:

Why not just get rid of the ability to neg a post.
If the post is abusive or spam, then you still have the ability to report it and it can be taken down.
The plus feature is positive as it allows people to agree or support a post without needing to clutter the page with quotes and short posts simply stating 'i agree'.
If someone disagrees with something they can then quote the post, state why they disagree and if other people agree with the disagree-er they can plus that post.
I neg posts occasionally for a laugh, but if people really do take it seriously and it's causing dramas, just remove the feature.
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A13x · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:39 am�� Post subject:

GooberMan · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:40 am�� Post subject:

ThunderCurls · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:44 am�� Post subject:

I believe there is an equal use for both of them. Plusses get abused too...and far more than negs that I have noticed since registering.
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IISpacebreakII · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:05 am�� Post subject:

Mods, I've forgotten about this but a lot of what kept the forum chit-chat alive was the 'I agree' and other pointless (But not so pointless) comments that mostly got banished when the +/- system was introduced.

And often the simple response would lead to a bigger conversation as people would make longer responses and so on.

Theres less individual conversations between members now, mostly it is everybody posting something of their own and just having their post plussed or not. It doesn't really help build friendships on the forum.

Its just you now seem to be wanting to revive the entire forum as a whole and I don't think the +/- system is helping. You might disagree with me or actually prefer it this way though, I'm not sure. And I do apologise if I am seemingly over-bearing and coming up with stupid ideas but I'm just trying to help lol

DancesInUnderwear · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:15 am�� Post subject:

G3ck0 · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:24 am�� Post subject:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't most of those discussions just not exist without those threads? Most of them seem to start from someone posting something that made them smile or ticked them off, so without a place to post that, how would the discussion start at all? I understand what you're saying, but I think removing those threads completely would stop a lot of those discussions as well, as there would be no post to start them. I guess if now they're trying to get things made into threads rather than posted into other topics, if a discussion started up like that it'd be fine to make a topic early on about whatever the discussion is?

DancesInUnderwear · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:34 am�� Post subject:

This is true enough too, and is a good point. But I do think - though it could take some time - eventually people would begin to work out what could potentially begin a discussion and what doesn't, and post or not post threads for those points accordingly. In the current situation, yes, certain posts that may not seem like they would create a discussion but end up doing so do get to exist whereas in my proposal they probably wouldn't, so I can see how they can have their place, but really, I don't think the mega-threads work exactly as they are now - there's too much polite chat you'd have with your nan, and not enough meaningful discussion. And look, maybe its just me (I don't doubt there will be plenty that disagree with me), but I have plenty of opportunities in the real world to have inane chit chat, I want my discussion forums to have actual discussion.

G3ck0 · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:54 am�� Post subject:

I think they have other uses though. Sometimes you need an anonymous place to rant, and the "What ticks you off thread" can server that purpose. And I really can't see as many discussions popping up without them, but there definitely needs to be more "dedicated" topics for a lot of the discussions, rather than it all grouped together with random posts in between, that can definitely get confusing at times.

Maybe it needs a bit of both our points, the threads stay for people to post whatever they want, and people to recognise something that could turn into a discussion, and rather than replying in the thread, to start a new topic about it, maybe quoting the original post too. Or maybe I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, it's late and I'm tired

Ingram · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:16 am�� Post subject:

I almost wish someone would now make a new website and call it PALGEN (PAL Gaming Exchange Network) and have a site purely dedicated to it.

I can dream...

jprockbelly · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:25 pm�� Post subject:

Fyuusii · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:08 pm�� Post subject:

A pre-established customer base?
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Sin Ogaris · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:11 pm�� Post subject:

Like say, a large group of people who no longer have a regular place to trade?

Mick Saige · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:33 pm�� Post subject:

This is kind of a cheap idea. Also I’m pretty sleep deprived.

Could a bunch of people not just set up an ‘Ebay thread’ – I know this has been a rule break in the past. But it would solve a lot of problems – people that want to sell games/stuff for X amount could upload it to ebay with a buy now – all money is dealt with via ebay/paypal – all responsibility is removed from mods.

If people don’t pay up/deliver they are at the mercy of ebay and its rating policy – and people can choose not to buy from people with bad ebay ratings.

All that’s left is a thread full of people advertising what they are selling via ebay using hyperlinks/photos – and people looking for items – which sellers can either put up for sale on ebay, or arrange privately. (doing so void of palgn completely)

It is kind of a cop out – I guess what im suggesting is the networking itself be done on palgn – all sales/admin be handled by a website specifically built to deal with it.

No doubt there might be issues between people at some stage or other – I guess this way of doing thing voids palgn of responsibility and all the mods need do is moderate the people themselves (in regards to manner/honesty), not actively keep track of the deals they make.

Fyuusii · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:59 pm�� Post subject:

FalconDude · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:08 pm�� Post subject:

Doest hurt to try though. It's like when alot of people say the local pub or club is dead now. If all the people saying its dead actually went there, then the situation would change.
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Fyuusii · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:25 pm�� Post subject:

Which is great if, as the promoter of a website like PALGN, you'd want to give your users less of a reason to stay and more of a reason to go elsewhere.

I had a look at your own tender, Falcondude, and while nothing personal, it's not a place that I would frequent on a regular basis, if at all, as there simply isn't enough traffic going through there on a general level.
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FalconDude · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:45 pm�� Post subject:

ThunderCurls · Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:21 am�� Post subject:

Just between us few hundred users, www.gamexchange.com.au (it's not a real website...yet?) could be a pretty successful website if given the proper care. Then it would give people a single "official" trade forum to go to, rather than having multiple low-quality forums shoved down their throats in the desperate hope for more traffic.

It could be designed by and/or run by a completely different set of people who set up the current GE, I think the idea is worth thinking about.
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