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pom013

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: | | Does anyone at this point think the American government gives even the slightest **** if what it does is legal? |
When they're using the killing of Bin Laden to defend/justify the use of water boarding. I'd guess not.
Also this is interesting.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/stealth-helicopter-debris-expose-details/2011/05/05/AFOTt41F_video.html
And as for the truth, with all the speculation and rumours and secrecy surrounding the operation I wouldn't be surprised if the whole, exact, unedited truth never sees the light of day. _________________
Farewell Rocketship!
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Frozencry


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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Some REAL photographic evidence that Osama is dead. Prepare.
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Benza


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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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wait a second....
Look at the way that picture is framed....
OH MY GOD!
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Frozencry


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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is now a shoe-in for thread of the year.
I went there. _________________
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Gamesta


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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Fetidchimp wrote: | mmmmmm ocean zombie
(to this day i can't figure out how they filmed that scene, either that guy has massive balls, or they had a real zombie do the stunt work)
(apparently the dude just has massive balls) |
There's some shark guy that swims with Great Whites (not Rodney Fox) and he reckons that when they don't want him swimming around anymore they warn him by smacking their nose into the camera. _________________ Welcome to the internet. Where any joke can turn into WWIII.
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efo

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daishogun


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Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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After reading the thread, I feel compelled to put in my two cents:
First off, on the point of why the SEALS killed him, and why they dumped the body. My guess is that this is the most intelligent way to deal with Bin Laden. Unlike Saddam Hussein, who was largely unwanted by most of his people by the time he was found (proof of this comes with the fact that his whole regime disbanded the moment he went into hiding. While yes, most of them were killed, a fair few survived), Bin Laden still has a fairly large following in both Al Qaeda and, indirectly, the Taliban. If he were to be left alive, where would they take him? Surely not the USA, that would just invite action to be taken to get him out of there. They don't have any need to question the man either, nor would they get any answers from him. He lived on the basis that he was doing "God's will". The other thing to note is the fact that his death tells his followers that he is no longer protected by the "hand of God" as he claimed he was when he managed to stay hidden for more than a decade. It's probably important to note that his followers may perceive this as the opposite, rather seeing this as the Americans acting against God's will and further giving them a reason to fight, but I'd rather not go into that.
In terms of dumping the body in the ocean, whilst convenient, there's no denying that Islamic custom requires that he be buried in some way, shape or form before sunset of the day he died. On a deeper level though, it must be remembered, who would dare take his body, and place it in their nation? If it was the USA, it would be defecated on a daily basis, and would only harm the western image from a middle-easterner point of view. The same would stand for most western nations. Conversely, if it were to be kept in a place that insurgents could have access to, like his homeland of Afghanistan or somewhere similar, it would be turned into a shrine, and a symbol of the Al Qaeda mission.
Finally, it's also important to note that whilst Al Qaeda generally wants the world to be dominated by Islam, the Taliban just want the Americans to get off their land. If the Allied Forces were to pull out, I'd hedge bets that the situation their would be resolved among the people themselves.
So that's the end of my rant, if I offended anyone, I didn't mean to. You probably wasted a good amount of your own time just then aswell XD
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John Marston


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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Cyph

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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| daishogun wrote: | | If the Allied Forces were to pull out, I'd hedge bets that the situation their would be resolved among the people themselves. |
Firstly, well written post. Secondly, with the above comment, I disagree. In my opinion, it has little to do Western interests and more to do with fundamental regilous ideals and beliefs programmed into such people at an early age. If the Allies were to pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other location with a western force present, acts of terrorism or other heinous crimes would still occur.
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daishogun


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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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I probably should have clarified on that comment. I think the situation in Afghanistan, and Afghanistan only, with regards to the Taliban would settle down, in fact they are trying to negotiate as we speak according to some news sources. Whether or not some other group pops up to continue the fight would have to be seen, but based on the Taliban's workings, it's clear it's purely a "get off our land" issue, as opposed to a "we want an Islamic world order." Just to note, I'm from a middle-eastern background (Christian though) myself, which is why I talk so much about this stuff. _________________
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Cyph

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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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They would just repress the people there, like they intend to do elsewhere.
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kaerlis


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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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was a pretty botched raid. they crashed a commanche style stealth helicopter that isn't meant to exist, and failed to destroy half of it, whole thing sounds like a mess. _________________
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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My friend's first reaction to Osama's death was: "Osama Bin Laden was killed in a raid? ...The next CoD's gonna be epic!!!" _________________
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mrcool37 Banned User


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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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COD:WGE (we got 'em)
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squintyasian

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: |
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look, i am optimistic as the next illegal immigrant. So i do want too see this dead pic, even though its 'horrific'. but i do beleive he is dead, why else would they state he is dead to the world?
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Aussie XP


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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| squintyasian wrote: | | why else would they state he is dead to the world? |
The same reason they made a huge deal about it, to make Barack Obama look good? _________________
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squintyasian

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Aussie XP wrote: | | squintyasian wrote: | | why else would they state he is dead to the world? |
The same reason they made a huge deal about it, to make Barack Obama look good? |
of course, but I doubt they would announce it just to make him appeal better. the ramifications if he isn't really 'dead' would utterly destroy obama and probably America in general....think about it, after annoucing it, all the partying and yahooing around if this was to be a hoax, heads will roll. litteraly
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Jarrod


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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Doubt it. Heads stayed well and truly intact despite the fact both the US and other Western world leaders blatantly lied to the public to encourage support for the invasion of a country and murder of their civilians.
"Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" is the most powerful lie of our time, and the most blinding red light that politicians should not and never can be trusted with military power.
Yet here we are, along with the rest of the world, acting like it was no big deal. To quote Nazi propaganda genius Joseph Goebbels; "The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed." _________________
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