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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Choosing a Phone ??? Reply with quote

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well my contact with optus for the 3GS is coming to an end and i have no clue which phone to go with next. I've had a look at the Sony Ericsson ARC and the Samsung Galaxy S II which both look pretty amazing. although i'm also wondering whether to wait for the inevitable Iphone 5.

Would really appreciate some help on this.

P.S. Gaming functionality is important, same as camera quality (Video and Picture)

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rumour is the iPhone won't have any or much of a refresh this year. It generally happens around June/July though, so maybe you're better off waiting a couple of months.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But there's also rumours the refresh will happen later in the year, as they just released the white iPhone 4. Either way, it'll just be a speed bump.
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What plan are you on and how much are you willing to spend?
The Incredible S has just been released, it's nice. Also, the Xperia play is pretty nice from what I've seen, Using the Arc is like using any other Android handset though, it's nothing that special...
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'm willing to go up to $80 a month, with optus. again, camera quality will be a massive influence since thats somethign i'm interested in, but then again good hardware is always important.
also does android have good photo editing apps and such? on the iphone i've really gotten into hipstamatic which is a really good app imo.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'm willing to go up to $80 a month, with optus. again, camera quality will be a massive influence since thats somethign i'm interested in, but then again good hardware is always important.
also does android have good photo editing apps and such? on the iphone i've really gotten into hipstamatic which is a really good app imo.


There's an App on Android called FxCamera, I don't know how it compares to Hipstamatic since I've not used either app. There's also another one called Vignette.

Have you looked at the HTC Desire HD? It's supposed to be one of the best Android phones.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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+1 for Desire HD. I couldn't live without mine now, and I believe it's one of few phones on the market that records video in 720p (think there's a Sony one that does as well? Meh though).
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what about the forthcoming phones that record in 1080P, worth it??
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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+1 for Desire HD. I couldn't live without mine now, and I believe it's one of few phones on the market that records video in 720p (think there's a Sony one that does as well? Meh though).

Normal Desire also does 720p recording and youtube playback.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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N8/E7 record video at 720P, as does the iPhone 4. I'm sure there's others too.
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Alright jeez, I never said it's the only one, certainly one of few though. Playback's the biggie too, s'all well and good recording 720p on an iPhone but there's not much point watching it on that tiny screen.
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Not having a go at you, just letting the guy know what else has the feature.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ok...guys, so in the end i think the decision comes more to android vs. ios. and that seems like a pretty hard call.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't find it that hard a call to be honest. Once I saw the interface modifications on the Android Market, I was absolutely sold. You've gotta jailbreak an iPhone to hell to get the kind of customization Android encourages.

Course iOS has its advantages too though. I've no idea what they are but someone probably does.

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iOS's major benefit is that it doesn't suffer the fragmentation problems that Android has. If you get an Android phone, you're relying on the handset manufacturer for your updates, and you run the risk of ending up with a phone that the manufacturer drops support for after six months, so you can't get any new Android updates/security fixes.

With iOS, at least you know you're getting two years of support with updates at minimum.

Also, the iPhone 5 is likely to have the same guts as the iPad 2, so the dual-core Apple A5 CPU and the newer quad-core GPU. It won't have an updated screen, though.
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iOS's major benefit is that it doesn't suffer the fragmentation problems that Android has. If you get an Android phone, you're relying on the handset manufacturer for your updates, and you run the risk of ending up with a phone that the manufacturer drops support for after six months, so you can't get any new Android updates/security fixes.

With iOS, at least you know you're getting two years of support with updates at minimum.

Yeah, or you could just root your Android phone and install your own custom updates, with whatever features you'd like, as you go.

iOS updates have been known to cause a lot of problems, have they not?
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Also, the iPhone 5 is likely to have the same guts as the iPad 2, so the dual-core Apple A5 CPU and the newer quad-core GPU. It won't have an updated screen, though.


i'm pretty sure the iphone 4's screen is meant to have a better resolution than we can even appreciate anyway so i don't think no screen update matters.

i'm waiting for a iphone 5 though. my 3GS has seen better days. it's battery last me half barely an evening. i have to keep charging it everywhere i go.
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I just bought myself a HTC HD7. Haven't received it yet. But hopefully i like this one. Got a Galaxy S a few months ago that i stopped using and went back to my iphone 3G
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iOS updates have been known to cause a lot of problems, have they not?


I've never had an issue with updating my iPhone, and neither has anyone else in the house with one. Small sample size, I know, but I think it reflects the general experience (ie you only hear about the people who have problems).

I was under the impression that it wasn't possible to "root" at least some Android phones, so depending on which one you got, that isn't an option either. Maybe that's pretty uncommon, though.

The main reason I would stay away from Android, above and beyond fragmentation, is because I'm very uncomfortable with using an operating system that's made by an internet advertising company. This is also why I don't use Chrome.
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Deeply uncomfortable? Phones shouldn't cause you that much worry, Norman.

To each his own and whatever. Personally, every single Android owner I know (bigger sample size) loves it, and those that have had an iPhone in the past prefer their Android phone.
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The main reason I would stay away from Android, above and beyond fragmentation, is because I'm very uncomfortable with using an operating system that's made by an internet advertising company.


much lulz

You better just stick with supporting that well known philanthropist and all round nice guy Steve Jobs.
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Keep the iphone vs android arguments to a minimum please, people. Say your piece on what you like, and leave it at that.

In regards to which to choose, I use neither but I have played with a lot of phones.

I find that the iPhone 4's can do everything you'd want in a phone, they also retain their value more. The main issues I see is being locked into itunes and, for a smart phone, the actual screen size is quite small relative to other companies.

Android obviously has a lot more choices, you can go the Xperia Play which is obviously Sony's latest phone. If you're a PSN gamer you'll probably find a lot more to love here than if you're more after a phone with secondary features rather than the whole dual gaming/phone thing.

In HTC's corner their flagship is the Desire HD which in my opinion goes a step beyond the iPhone 4. Larger screen, one of the biggest in fact at (I think) 4.3 inches (maybe even a bit larger). Higher resolution camera in 8mp vs iPhone's 5mp, although in terms of images it's up to you which you prefer, I'll explain at the end.

App wise there's really no difference, iPhone does have more, but Android still has 6 figures worth, and all the best stuff is on both systems so you're not going to go wanting.

In regards to the camera issue it goes further than simply megapixels, the iPhone automatically enhances images so they have a vibrancy to them that doesn't occur with straight snaps on the Desire (though this can be done in post processing). The thing is, this is actually unnatural, it's not an accurate representation of what you're photographing. I guess it depends on what you prefer though, and what sort of images you like to take.


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StorminNorman wrote:
Also, the iPhone 5 is likely to have the same guts as the iPad 2, so the dual-core Apple A5 CPU and the newer quad-core GPU. It won't have an updated screen, though.


The iPhone 4 screen is drop-dead gorgeous, I don't know why you'd opt for a larger screen with lower clarity. I still don't get over the clarity of the iPhone 4 screen.

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iOS updates have been known to cause a lot of problems, have they not?


Unless you have an iPhone 3G, updates to do have been relatively free of problems.

When it comes down to it, it's all about what you prefer. Android phones offer a much wider range of handsets and applications which are far more varied (and from what I've seen, better quality on average). However it's splintered approach means app store operators and handset makers can drop the ball when it comes to security and updates.

The iPhone comes much more like a package, if you're willing to accept the limitations in it's app store and functionality of the just two models of phones available (iPhone 4/3GS) then what you get is a lot of simplicity and consistent support from Apple.
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If you're willing to wait a little while I'd go for the Samsung Galaxy S 2 or the HTC Incredible 2 both have got an 8mp camera and the S2 can record in FullHD if video is particualrly important to you. If you'd prefer it now though the Galaxy S or Incredible S are both excellent, and as a fan of Sony the Xperia Play looks amazing if you can get one.
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iPhone - you cannot drag and drop files onto/off-to the iPhone without a supported music application like iTunes (I forgot the linux alternative to it). However, iPhone is easier to use as it is easier to navigate and find what you want (like settings) than an Android. It also lack memory card support and applications is monitored by Apple (I am undivided in this issue, great for kids). Lack of widgets may also be a concern if you are into these things (they are however power-waster but I love widgets). Apps are to be purchased through either the iTunes or the device. Always a safe option for everyone (except technical minded people may prefer more control, that's where Android comes in)

Android - more free than iOS but iOS has been around for years so you get a more refined experience. Android I find however, for the average person to be more difficult to use than an iPhone when it comes to finding settings but it provides a lot more freedom in how you want your interface to look like. Drag-drop music/movies/files, can come with a memory card expansion slot and it has support of these pretty but power-hungry widgets (my fav is turn on and off wifi widget). Still in it's early years but it is on a momentum atm. Apps can be purchased through web browser or the device, you can even ask to download on the web browser and it will tell your phone to download. Not recommended if you are likely to get frustrated by technical things.
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