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| Benza wrote: | | I know they're divided up similarly now that there's the paid PSN and silver XBL, but with absolutely no figures backing me up I'm gonna say that XBL has a **** load more people paying for the service then PSN Plus/gold/ whatever. |
You don't need figures. It's obvious there are more paying customers on XBL, since you have to pay to play online.
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| theory wrote: | Actually I think Andy has a point here. A lot of people likely bought a PS3/PSP because of free and continuing PSN.
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Not necessarily true theory.
In your circle, it might be because of free and continuing PSN being a factor for PS3/PSP, but amongst my friends and myself included, PSN is not a factor at all.
Now I do agree that free PSN is a factor for some, I won't say it will be "A lot" as none of my friends uses PSN other than getting game/fw updates.
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| theory wrote: | | Actually I think Andy has a point here. A lot of people likely bought a PS3/PSP because of free and continuing PSN. |
Ohhh i 100% agree but i just feel there would be a more of a uproar if people were paying for psn which in turn would force sony to work faster on getting there shit together. I also agree that the excuse you get what you pay for is bs in this situation. I sometimes wonder tho if you were paying for psn would you have better security or not...
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You'd be pissed if your PS3 decided to stop reading movies, or stopped detecting the controller, so I dont see how this is any different. You might not pay a subscription fee, but you pay for PSN when you buy your PS3. It's part of the package, part of the service, and a selling point for both hardware and software. It's not a bonus, it's the norm, and people have the right to be upset with how poorly Sony has handled this situation.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly believe that whether the online network was free or not had nothing to do with this. If geohot had've cracked the 360 open, making homebrew and backups an easy thing on 360, and if it had've been Microsoft that threatened legal action, and Microsoft doing shady stuff like collecting IP addresses of users accessing his site etc and then Anonymous announced they were going after Microsoft, and then all the other hackers wanting to be the one to do it... well I'm sure just about every company out there has security issues, no matter how much money you wanna throw at them.
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| JmiYeo wrote: | | theory wrote: | Actually I think Andy has a point here. A lot of people likely bought a PS3/PSP because of free and continuing PSN.
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Not necessarily true theory.
In your circle, it might be because of free and continuing PSN being a factor for PS3/PSP, but amongst my friends and myself included, PSN is not a factor at all.
Now I do agree that free PSN is a factor for some, I won't say it will be "A lot" as none of my friends uses PSN other than getting game/fw updates. |
It's true for me and alot of my friends. We had 360's before, but where sick of paying for online, so when we got our PS3's it was great to have online gaming for free. The free online was a big selling point for me.
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^ That's not the point we're making now. We're talking about compensation for those that have lost PSN, which, as Jarrod stated, is akin to losing the ability to watch DVDs on it... or play games even.
| JmiYeo wrote: | | theory wrote: | Actually I think Andy has a point here. A lot of people likely bought a PS3/PSP because of free and continuing PSN.
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Not necessarily true theory.
In your circle, it might be because of free and continuing PSN being a factor for PS3/PSP, but amongst my friends and myself included, PSN is not a factor at all.
Now I do agree that free PSN is a factor for some, I won't say it will be "A lot" as none of my friends uses PSN other than getting game/fw updates. |
It is true, man. Even if only 1000 people bought a PS3 in part because of PSN, my statement is still true because that is a lot of people. And it's much, much more than 1000. You gotta think worldwide, not just your friends.
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It is true, man. Even if only 1000 people bought a PS3 in part because of PSN, my statement is still true because that is a lot of people. And it's much, much more than 1000. You gotta think worldwide, not just your friends.
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I said it is not necessarily true. I didn't say your statement is false.
You said "a lot of people likely bought a PS3/PSP for PSN". And by this alot, where are you basing this sample size from? I took your statement as your perception based on "your" sample in your circle.
"You got to think worldwide" also applies to my statement. How do you know more than 50% of the entire PS3/PSP buyers factored in PSN when they PS3/PSP, and no. of accounts created does not mean much as it is required for fw/game updates.
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There are 75 million PSN accounts. Even if half of those were fake in some ways it's still a massive amount.
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| Jarrod wrote: | | but you pay for PSN when you buy your PS3. It's part of the package, part of the service, and a selling point for both hardware and software. |
So was Linux 
I'm not saying that you shouldn't be bitching since it's free, you damm well should be bitching what they've done is beyond a fucking joke. Not just the PSN being down but the complete lack of secuirty that Sony have handled your personal info with is alarming to say the least.
I'm just saying that since you're not paying for it I doubt Sony see it as being as important part of there buisness than microsoft see XBL.
One is a continuous revenue stream and one isn't. That means (hopefully) Microsoft have more invested in keeping it online and free from hacks since they have far more to lose.
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There are 75 million PSN accounts. Even if half of those were fake in some ways it's still a massive amount.
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That's it. I clearly have a problem in making my point with my posts in PALGN. Either I am one of the "non-regulars" who is discrimated or my command of english is hopeless.
I only pointed out theory viewpoint that "a lot" of people likely to factor free PSN when they purchase a PS3/PSP. I disagree with that point of view as I see people who buys a PS3/PSP, are more likely to factor in the titles available and games being region-free, not free and continuing PSN.
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I guarenty that a considerably larger portion of the PS3 market is more interested in 'free online' than 'region free gaming'. You seem to be underestimating the popularity of online gaming, particularly this generation, and the appeal of playing all those major online games (looking at you Call of Duty) without having to pay a cent.
It might not be interesting to you and your friends. Hell, it's not really interesting to me, as I dont do a lot of online console gaming. But it's still a big selling point for a sizable portion of the market, and now they're getting burned.
@Benza: Sony not percieving PSN as a portion of their business as important as LIVE is their own ignorance then, and really just a poor excuse to burn consumers over something they should be compensated for. If consumers are upset, they should let Sony know.
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| Jarrod wrote: |
@Benza: Sony not percieving PSN as a portion of their business as important as LIVE is their own ignorance then, and really just a poor excuse to burn consumers over something they should be compensated for. If consumers are upset, they should let Sony know. |
I completely agree. Let them know your pissed, I've already sent off a pissed off e-mail to them. They've fucked up big. I'm not going to submit by credit card details to any company that proves to be this fucking inept and handling secure information.
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JmiYeo I will agree that games are what sells the system most but this gen the most prevailing trend is online gaming. CoD is the most popular gaming franchise in history because of it's online. Do you think people buy that game for it's singleplayer?
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This was the week my hatred for hackers went up a notch.
I certainly hope - PS3 users at least- more folks can stop seeing them as rebels who represent the little guy against the big co-operations and other internet oligarchs.
These folks are low life scum who instead of using their intelligence for good causes use it for the wrong reasons. Sad really, a waste of intelligence.
Anger - anger - anger has been the reaction from so many, understandable. I too have had my info swiped like the rest.
But this is the time to calm down.
Okay Sony could have handled things better but that's hindsight.
Threats of lawsuits, boycotts etc are not the right course of action
Sony can only learn from their mistake. Sure they will lose a few customers who will defect to Xbox, but this is not something a company that has been influential in the electronics industry over the years should be ruined by.
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Sony failed to secure personal information, and failed to encrypt private financial data, allowing the hackers extremely easy access to credit card details, names, and addresses.
Sony deserve as much crap as they can get for this colossal fuck up.
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| JmiYeo wrote: | | Nietzsche wrote: |
There are 75 million PSN accounts. Even if half of those were fake in some ways it's still a massive amount.
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That's it. I clearly have a problem in making my point with my posts in PALGN. Either I am one of the "non-regulars" who is discrimated or my command of english is hopeless.
I only pointed out theory viewpoint that "a lot" of people likely to factor free PSN when they purchase a PS3/PSP. I disagree with that point of view as I see people who buys a PS3/PSP, are more likely to factor in the titles available and games being region-free, not free and continuing PSN. |
I'm sorry JmiYeo, I didn't mean to offend you! I was just trying to say what Nietzsche said... I don't know many many outside of this forum that use PSN, but 75million accounts is a lot. 
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| The Genius wrote: |
Threats of lawsuits, boycotts etc are not the right course of action
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Why the hell not? If I give a company my credit card info I expect them to keep it safe. Not piss off every hacker in the world and then leave it in plain text files in an easily hacked server.
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| The Genius wrote: | | Sony can only learn from their mistake. Sure they will lose a few customers who will defect to Xbox, but this is not something a company that has been influential in the electronics industry over the years should be ruined by. |
The PS3 does not deserve to survive in a world where the Dreamcast couldn't! Damn it!
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| Jarrod wrote: | | Sony failed to secure personal information, and failed to encrypt private financial data, allowing the hackers extremely easy access to credit card details, names, and addresses. |
Some of what you say is false. Sony have released statements saying the credit card data was encrypted but they can't tell if it was successfully retrieved, so they've advised caution regarding customer CC details.
| Sony wrote: | Q: Was my personal data encrypted?
A: All of the data was protected, and access was restricted both physically and through the perimeter and security of the network. The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack. |
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I read some where that there was concrete evidence of people using CC that they got from PSN. Also once you have something it doesn't take that long to decrypted it especially if you an get past Sony's defenses.
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Sony gave us the walkman.
Sony gave us the CD.
Sony gave us true HD.
We are talking about a company who have been pioneers of many significant electronic products of yesteryear and today.
They are the real mccoys of the industry.
They messed up, they are rectifying this as best as they can.
What more you want them to do at this time?
I am not happy at whats happened, but mistakes happen.
I mean The US Defense, White House, Gawker, and many other big companies have been hacked before.
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| The Genius wrote: | Sony gave us the walkman.
Sony gave us the CD.
Sony gave us true HD.
We are talking about a company who have been pioneers of many significant electronic products of yesteryear and today.
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What the fuck does that matter at this point?
There past here isn't the point. The point is what they've done and they fucked up real bad and deserve to pay for that fuck up.
What more do I want from them? How about to not leave private information sitting around unencrypted?
But if you really want to get into what they've done in the past.
They also opposed plans that would make electronic companies responsible for cleaning up the toxic waste they produced, they stole money from the US government to develop an urban training centre and ended up releasing it as Full Spectrum Warrior. They've been illegaly monitoring information based on your PSN use, introduced ridiculous DRM, Payed graffiti artists to illegaly spray paint ads all over various cities etc etc.
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| theory wrote: | | Actually I think Andy has a point here. A lot of people likely bought a PS3/PSP because of free and continuing PSN. |
That's not the point. It's ALREADY been bought. Sony has their money, and it will be a while at least before the next console so they aren't expecting more soon.
If XBL went down, MS would stand to lose far more money in terms of canceled subscriptions, hence they would devote more time, money and effort into repairing this ASAP with the least possible impact to their paying customers. That's the advantage of a subscription model for customers - sure, they pay more over time, but they also have more power to ensure that they get what they're paying for.
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I'm not comparing PSN and XBL. All I'm saying is that a lot of people bought a PS3/PSP because of free and continuing PSN. You can't fault that statement.
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