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I am planning to put a block on my CC's soon anyways considering my wife and I can't stop using them, lol.
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| StorminNorman wrote: | Basically, the PS3 is rooted to hell and back, and anyone who buys one from here on out is a fool to themselves and a burden to others.
Screw you Sony. |
 I never realised knickers could get that twisted...
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People calm down, any unauthorised charges on your card are the credit card provider’s problem. (I had an issue a few years back with an ebayer taking my money via paypal {I use my card as a funds source for extra protection} and not sending the goods, gave the cc provider a call and within 2 days the money was charged back ie. returned).
Ebay wasn't happy, (because I didn't follow their process) but I was.
If that money came from my bank account or debit card, I would have to wait until ebay / paypal process was finished (1-2 months) Why? Because it was my money!!!
Remember the money amount limit on your card is not yours. It's the card provider’s money they give you, that's why you pay a fee for the card and pay 20% interest on the money!!
Read the terms and conditions!!
Change your password and watch your account for anything funny.
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^Fees? I never paid a fee for my credit card or any bank fees and I'm with commbank  . I also never ever paid interest on my credit card yet. Money-wise ftw!
I'm confused with the credit card. Security code isn't stored, so how can a fraud be done with without security code? Unless Sony did store it which they have said they didn't. So I don't see how Debit Cards will be more secure in this case because they use the same technology? (have security code).
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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^ Not all transactions require the three digit security code.
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| Island_Wolf wrote: | ^Fees? I never paid a fee for my credit card or any bank fees and I'm with commbank
I'm confused with the credit card. Security code isn't stored, so how can a fraud be done with without security code? Unless Sony did store it which they have said they didn't. So I don't see how Debit Cards will be more secure in this case because they use the same technology? (have security code). |
Debit cards aren't necessarily more secure, however the transactions put against the card are limited to how much money is in the actual savings account rather than a limit imposed by a credit card company.
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| Xtra wrote: | Ebay wasn't happy, (because I didn't follow their process) but I was.
If that money came from my bank account or debit card, I would have to wait until ebay / paypal process was finished (1-2 months) Why? Because it was my money!!! |
Refunds on ebay are a joke anyways. Even when you go through their claim process which takes yonks, unless that person has money in the paypal account, they'll say that you won the claim but they're unable to retrieve your funds... what a joke. Least that's how I remember it from years ago.
I would have done the same thing, go through your CC company.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'm the same Island_wolf! 
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| theory wrote: | | ^ Not all transactions require the three digit security code. |
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Kind of glad I haven't bought my PS3 yet....might be a good idea to not even bother with getting one if Sony is this pathetic when looking after their customer's information.
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| fatpizza wrote: | | Island_Wolf wrote: | ^Fees? I never paid a fee for my credit card or any bank fees and I'm with commbank
I'm confused with the credit card. Security code isn't stored, so how can a fraud be done with without security code? Unless Sony did store it which they have said they didn't. So I don't see how Debit Cards will be more secure in this case because they use the same technology? (have security code). |
Debit cards aren't necessarily more secure, however the transactions put against the card are limited to how much money is in the actual savings account rather than a limit imposed by a credit card company. |
Screw that, id rather they put a big purchase on my CC (which my bank will reverse if its fraudulent) rather than clear out my bank account.
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| Benc82 wrote: |
Screw that, id rather they put a big purchase on my CC (which my bank will reverse if its fraudulent) rather than clear out my bank account. |
Well it depends on how you use your account, my savings account is just a temporary location for money I'm spending. My savings are stored in my offset account.
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While this is poor effort on Sony's behalf. People are idiots. Twitter is flowing with comments about never buying another Sony product again. I don't understand, have people actually been personally affected yet?
Edit: Didn't the same thing happen with Vodafone?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Credit card stuff aside, is anyone actually changing their passwords?
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Not reading people's comments on twitter, (because....well....it's twitter) I think it's pretty clear that this is a massive, massive failure on behalf of SONY's security and the thought that they didn't seem urgent enough to share the full truth in a prompt manor isn't helping.
How are customers who have had their personal details poached (and we're talking just about the full gamut here) supposed to feel at a time like this?
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LOL, well it's the knee jerk reaction, there will always be the "I will never buy so and so product ever again" - in fact it would be more surprising if comments like that didn't turn up.
Same thing happen with the date bug where PS3 fats couldn't get online - remember that? Again there was a slew of "I will never ... blah blah blah".
Sure consumer confidence will be some what shattered but ppl are idiots and soon forget.
| TamTam79 wrote: | | How are customers who have had their personal details poached (and we're talking just about the full gamut here) supposed to feel at a time like this? |
Maybe ask a Vodafone customer?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Debit cards rule. No money or enough for purchase then no transaction.
I never have more than 60 quid in my account enough for an import PS3 game so in the event of a fraudulent use thats how much i lose. lol
But now I see why Sony delayed to report the full extent of this.
Precisely this! The mass hysteria, panicking and backlash for the past day Sony have received on the net is now getting outta control
But seriously we need to calm down.
This is really bad for Sony and their reputation has taken an absolute battering. It will be hard to recover from this.
But lets not forget ultimately the real bad guys are hackers. Just as bad as thieves.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Credit card stuff aside, is anyone actually changing their passwords? |
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I'm pretty unimpressed by SONY's response to this. First and foremost, they stayed silent for ten days (they said the intrusions started on April 17) before saying anything. I understand that it may have taken a while for their investigation to confirm stolen details, but they should have immediately warned of the possibility, not just claimed "maintenance". A lot can happen in ten days.
I'm not sure whether the passwords they got were cleartext, hashed or hashed and salted. I really hope they were salted, because if they were only hashed they can just be reverse engineered. I've heard about passwords being sent cleartext too, which is just irresponsible, even if they weren't stored in the system that way.
I've always stuck to PSN cards and I'm glad of that, but I'm more worried about things like identity theft. I reuse a few passwords around the place and I think I've changed the important ones that share this password but it's still annoying - to be fair, that's my fault for not using unique passwords everywhere. The identity theft thing concerns me more because they have enough details for fraud, credit wrecking, etc. At least if it was just CC details there would be an easy (if time-consuming) way to fix things (cancelling CCs, reversing transactions, etc). This is personal data.
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The chance that people can lose money have their details stolen aside, I find it very funny how much this effects people.
It's not being able to play online for a week or two or even 3 but people are treating this like it's a life threatening.
It's quite pathetic how much people rely on online gaming.
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| Pagan's Mind wrote: | | Credit card stuff aside, is anyone actually changing their passwords? |
Probably not.
The only things they know to access from the details they stole is your bank account and email account.
Both of these accounts have passwords that are very different from the password I use for my PSN acc. Which is the smart way to have it.
My PSN acc is a generic password I use for alot of unimportant things. So even if they do have it, the worst they can do is say, log into all the message boards I have signed up for such as this one. So if they do have it and are going to use it, expect to see me spamming great savings on shoes at thebestphisingsite.com
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| Gamesta wrote: | The chance that people can lose money have their details stolen aside, I find it very funny how much this effects people.
It's not being able to play online for a week or two or even 3 but people are treating this like it's a life threatening.
It's quite pathetic how much people rely on online gaming. |
Eh, I feel the same way about the actual PSN being down. I could give a as I haven't turned on a console in a few weeks.
This privacy trouble though? Different kettle of fish altogether.
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My PS3 has been on every day of this but very little of it's useage is for gaming. I'm mostly using it to listen to music and watching DVD's.
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| Gamesta wrote: | | The chance that people can lose money have their details stolen aside, I find it very funny how much this effects people. It's not being able to play online for a week or two or even 3 but people are treating this like it's a life threatening. It's quite pathetic how much people rely on online gaming. |
I think you're exaggerating with the 'life threatening' part there. Show me someone who said they were about to die because of this?
Some of us play regularly online with the PS3, or were looking forward to Portal 2 online for the long weekend. It's a shame having those plans ruined by a service outage, nevermind the threat of personal details being stolen...
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Of course I was exaggerating.Still, people are treating this far worse than it is.
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