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I'm pretty excited by this. THe power of the console would be at LEAST 360/PS3 comparable and the thought of a Mario/Zelda with better system resources makes me happy.
Cannot wait to see what 'new' thing they bring to the table as well.
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Im guessing it will still be able to sync with Wiimotes in order to play Wii games, as I don't see how a dual analogue controller could be used as a pointer.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Gimme a 1080p remake of Wave Race (Not Bluestorm style) & Beetle Adventure Racing and I'll be sold.
And of course Mario Kart!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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There's a whole cluster fuck of news and rumours circulating at the moment, and the general concensus seems to be that power wise it's going to be only ~360 level, maybe a little better. IGN and Kotaku are basically the only ones reporting the whole "SO MUCH BETTER THAN A PS3" thing, and they both have a good track record of talking complete bullshit (see: IGN's 3DS=X360 rumour mongering).
Conservative Nintendo as usual. Let the whining commence.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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What the WiiHD could very well end up looking like, according to wiihdrumors.com.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Am I one of the few that enjoyed the Wii and don't mind the controls? I have no real concerns about any of it. I see no reason to deny a control scheme simply because It's different from others. I've gotten so used the the Wii controllers it feels fine and natural, I have no complaints, if you don't like them, then stiff bikkies, they aren't doing to ditch them.
I will look forward to Skyward Sword, new Kirby, Xenoblade and hopefully Last Story. Plus the some 3DS games.
Also, 3D will not be coming to their next console, nor will Blu-ray. It's something they can manage without, It's certainly something I can live without, and the mainstream market can also live without.
Otherwise, I predict that none of these rumours has substance and no announcements will be made at E3. 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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No plazma, I'm the same. As I said in the news posting there's a billion things I could complain about when it comes to Nintendo. It would be my most epic rant yet. But I still loved the shit out of the Wii, the controls were great, and I'll take inventive new ideas over repackaging the same horsepower race over and over.
It's a selfish thing to say, and it's because I get that fix elsewhere, but I'd happily sacrifice strong third party support for originality. What do I care if all those Call of Dutys, BioShocks, Battlefields, Grand Theft Autos, Assassin Creeds and Half-Lifes come to the system? Even if they did I wouldn't buy them for that platform. I'd be getting them elsewhere.
Also, bring on a true No More Heroes HD.
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Me too. Don't get the waggle hate, don't get the "nogaems" hate. Have been disappointed with most of the more recent releases, though. Primarily because they don't exist. :/
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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The rumours saying maybe more power than X360/ps3 ... are fine if this were release oh say, 4 years ago? Its not, its 2011,2012... so its LTTP and a bit pointless. Both consoles will have monster followups in 1-2 years
I think Nintendo is going to be quite surprised when the casual market that bought into the wii don't follow them onto their HD console. Because they're not going to have spent $200-300 dollars to play wiifit/wiisports and then later buy another console for purposes. As is, 3rd party support on wii dried up because games aren't considered viable for the most parts. They just don't sell.
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Also, bring on a true No More Heroes HD. |
coming to ps3/x360
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| THEMAN wrote: | | coming to ps3/x360 |
Enjoy your port of a game that was just fine, oh say, three years ago?
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Honestly my only problem with the Wii controlls is when they were implemented in a way that worked worse then a traditional controll scheme would have. (See De blob).
I love the having the controller in two seperate pieces though.
Honestly though, if the only thing the Wii2 or whatever will have going for it is motion controlls on a console that's as powerfull as the 360 then... uh what's the point?
The 360 allready has motion controll, the Kinect is a fucking amazing piece of tech, and the PS3 basically has it's own wii-mote. The Wii 2 is going to need to surpass both of them to have any kind of relevancy in the console market. They're not going to be able to get away with just "Oh we have motion controll" cause that shit isn't that special.
And yeah it will have first party titles, but if that's all it has going for it, it's looking like it's going to be another gamecube.
And honestly they're gunna need to do a fair bit more tehn just "WE HAVE MARIO AND ZELDA!" to impress me.
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| Jarrod wrote: | | THEMAN wrote: | | coming to ps3/x360 |
Enjoy your port of a game that was just fine, oh say, three years ago? |
Wii visuals were never fine.
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| THEMAN wrote: | | Jarrod wrote: | | THEMAN wrote: | | coming to ps3/x360 |
Enjoy your port of a game that was just fine, oh say, three years ago? |
Wii visuals were never fine. |
They were fine for me before I got an HDTV. Only because the 360 looked pretty crap on it also.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Ninty have been in the gaming industry for eternity now.
They know what they are doing! Thats why they have been successful all this time.
Ninty consoles have always been for families. They cater for all types of gamers equally. Hence one thing you can be almost assured of is affordability.
Its laughable when some complain about Wii power compared to 360/PS3 when Ninty's motion control was copied by its competitors. No Wii HD this gen. Ninty have never felt the need to bring in an HD console like their counterparts.
Ninty will most probably make their new console HD cable, but if its a deal breaker for you, then you really shouldn't be buy Ninty products for godsakes.
For Ninty its gameplay > graphics.
Its also hilarious when some call for Mario and Zelda series to be ended.
The highest and most critically acclaimed this gen are both Mario Galaxy games. Zelda PH and ST puzzles are some of the most innovative of this gen.
Ninty have always spaced out the main Mario and Zelda game releases in a way that allows for evolution of gameplay.
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| The Genius wrote: | Ninty have been in the gaming industry for eternity now.
They know what they are doing! Thats why they have been successful all this time. |
Honestly I see that as a neagative more then a positive. Look at regies comments about downloadable games for example, they're so stuck in there ways that they are failing to see were games are actually heading. And comments like Regies stuff about cheap games make it seem like they're trying to push gamers were they want them to be rather then seeing were gamers are going and providing them with stuff there.
A whole bunch of other giant media coporations have tried that and failed misserably.
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| Benza wrote: | Honestly I see that as a neagative more then a positive. Look at regies comments about downloadable games for example, they're so stuck in there ways that they are failing to see were games are actually heading. And comments like Regies stuff about cheap games make it seem like they're trying to push gamers were they want them to be rather then seeing were gamers are going and providing them with stuff there.
A whole bunch of other giant media corporations have tried that and failed misserably. |
I terms of digital games, I agree, but Nintendo also have their finger on the consumer pulse when they pull their shit together. It's hard to say that the company with the current market leading system doesn't at least know some of what they're doing.
As for cheap games, I agree with Iwata's point to some extent. Nintendo will nickle and dime you if you give them the chance, but an industry built on $1.50 apps is not a sustainable one.
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| Jarrod wrote: | | an industry built on $1.50 apps is not a sustainable one. |
Why not? No one said the entire industry needs to follow this model but for some segment it might be just as sustainable as any other business model - small bite-sized digital downloads for mobiles? Sure not every game will break even, but then neither do all $90 titles. The production time, costs and risks on these games are far lower than $90 titles too.
If the $1.50 market isn't going to work out, buggered if I know what gonna happen to those who give their games away! Someone warn Zynga quick 
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That's why I said the industry cant be built off them , not that they cant exist at all. It's a fine market when it's not being rushed by every man and his dog, but the industry as a whole cannot be built off it. The profit isn't there. It isn't going to keep people in jobs, nor will it contribute to the security of more expensive titles.
It's like Steam sales. Devs are happy when shit sells, but many have gone on record to say that Steam sales are not all that great. 75%, even selling well, does not equate to much profit.
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| Jarrod wrote: | | . It's hard to say that the company with the current market leading system doesn't at least know some of what they're doing. |
It would be in any other market, but we've seen Nintendo go from being gods of the gaming world with the Nes/Snes era. to almost fucking obsolete after sony came in, sony held a ridiculous market dominance with the PS2 and then fucked it all away when hte PS3 came out, to now Nintendo are on top again. But if anything history shows that them continuinig to be on top in the next gen is anything but certain.
My point with the cheap games is that developers don't get to tell there consumers how much a game is worth, that's not how captalisim works. Consumers tell developers how much they're willing to pay for it. We've seen with the music industry and the movie industry when developers go "No you need to pay this much!" and consumers go "No" the developers dont win that fight/
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What if the consumers want something they've never seen before, Benza?
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| Benza wrote: | | My point with the cheap games is that developers don't get to tell there consumers how much a game is worth, that's not how captalisim works. Consumers tell developers how much they're willing to pay for it. We've seen with the music industry and the movie industry when developers go "No you need to pay this much!" and consumers go "No" the developers dont win that fight/ |
Totally, but where is the line drawn? Consumers will always pay as little as possible, and rightly so, but can the industry really sustain game development with $1.50 games? That isn't going to fund bigger titles and it's not going to sustain jobs. A balance is required.
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| THEMAN wrote: | | I think Nintendo is going to be quite surprised when the casual market that bought into the wii don't follow them onto their HD console. |
I seriously doubt Nintendo will tout HD as their next thing. I'm sure they'll have some idea to 'better immerse' people into their games, and HD will just be there. And I'm sure that whatever Nintendo come up with there will be a large following of 'casual' gamers who think that Nintendo's latest innovation is amazing.
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Also, with the music and movies example, consumers were able to get the same goods without paying what the studios demanded. No-one stopped watching movies/music, they just started pirating them.
Assuming Nintendo can keep their hardware secure and their games worth the high prices they are charging for them, they're not going to get screwed over majorly any time soon. They might lose the hardware race, like with the GameCube, but they're not going to become obsolete for a long long time.
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I really don't like the idea of having a screen on a controller. I can see where it could work in some instances, but it just doesn't get me interested at all. I've got a bad feeling that Nintendo may be out to really try and outdo what the Wii did in a big way, but fail miserably in the attempt.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sooo the latest rumour is that it might be using AMD's new Trinity line of chips.
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