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I liked this film. A lot. Here is my review/thoughts.
| Quote: | The first scene is awesome. At least for me. "sweet dreams" is one of my favourite songs and even though it's basically a music video I thought it had a lot of emotion. The action scenes varied for me. The first kind of sucked. Too unbelievable with no weight to it. The trench scene is amazing. One of the best action scenes I have seen. The dragon was pretty good. And the train scene was filmed so stupidly I didn't really enjoy it. I liked the plot. Especially the sister getting stabbed, the two girls getting shot in the head, and the scene which didn't show Baby Doll's face (super creepy). But the end didn't really pay off. WTF was with the last line? So stupid. Actually all the dialogue in this movie kind of sucked.
The villain was probably the best actor. Was actually menacing and you really hated him. Browning could not carry this film out all. Was far to "white swan". The other girls were fine but didn't look old enough for the brothel scenes. Abbie Cornish was the best out of the girls and handled the action sequences plus the emotion stuff the best. Jena Malone was the most likeable and I thought she did well. Vanessa Hudgens was good but I think she needed to be in the movie a bit more for her arc to pay off. Carla Gugino accent kind of ruined her character. The brothel level didn't work at all. I think it would have worked better if she slowly lost her mind or if there were more jumps between the mental hospital and the brothel. I like the movie better with some interpretations, for instance if Baby Doll was a projection of Sweat Pea's mind. But the plot is a bit to messy for there to be any concrete interpretations.
I kind of wish this movie was Rated R and more fucked up. I will buy the DVD and I really liked it but there is so much flaws to it. |
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I'll say I was very disappointed in the classification of the movie when myself and my sister were the second oldest people in the room, the amount of kids that looked 8 or 10 was just astounding for such a feature, to label the insinuation of child abuse as suitable for a wide range of ages is just an astounding decision for mine, should have been for restricted audiences.
Anyway, while I think the narrative was a bit "broken" in the flow with how the movie was pieced together, I don't get how people can be of the opinion that it was weak in that regard given the context. In isolation, the opening scene paints a picture of the Babydoll character which should have had everyone almost standing and applauding at the endeavour, that the result then or the "climax" of the opening scene would, or did to me at least, scream massive mental trauma. When applied to the rest of the film, it makes a hell of a lot of sense;
| spoilers wrote: | Given the isolation of the intro, one can assume the house was one of sexual abuse and gratification on behalf of the Stepfather, so that a burlesque house was simply applied context and a "comfort zone", part of a coping mechanism as without it chances are suicide was a very real next step all things considering, I mean she did act as a surrogate mother to the younger sister and the act of shooting her, accidental or not would cause some severe depression. Given also the abusive nature of such a situation, the context for the violence was also a coping mechanism in that not once does she actually harm a human being, stone samurai, steam powered zombies, dragons, daemons and mechanised people but none of flesh and blood, we also saw this with the "saving" of Rocket in that in effect she became the new younger sister that needed protecting, and all this had context in a world war, where we all know violence is justified on many levels.
This was all a way to then cope with the actions undertaken instead of compounding the trauma by knowingly putting a knife to a mans throat (instead of a "Pig") or theft, and the only two times where she does in fact injure another human is at the very beginning of the film with her sister to cause the trauma or the very end with Blue where in effect it was the same situation of sexual abuse and that time she didn't miss. Even the samurai part was all about coping with the defense of oneself being the first step to acknowledging that you have an issue and addressing it, which is in part why she got beat around for no damage and ended up making them shaking in their boots despite being able to stomp on her, the human propensity to live, even in the face of overwhelming odds, especially in a mental image always takes a few bumps and bruises and merely comes back with a vengeance, that was what that was instead of "lol, so fake she didn't get hurt" they simply didn't understand the context implied.
This is chiefly why the "majority" of growth appeared in those sequences for the people, because in such a situation of an asylum, being on meds and being effectively trained (Pavlovian conditioning, as mentioned several times) how to act, how to think and how to be the only escape one has is within their own head, the movie was never about "character" growth, the "characters" were a means to an end to highlight the mental growth to then show that the characters were growing, if you didn't take a similar line tot he action sequences and merely saw them as a release valve from the story you would have missed this. It's chiefly why the ending was it was, effectively showing the stereotypes of the people who worked there;
Orderly was using the female patients for sexual gratification.
The doorman was an effective mayor character since he controlled who came and went.
The bus driver was the ticket out of there, as without him Sweet Pea would have picked up by the cops at the very end.
The cook, obviously was as fat as a pig and in all probability probably made several advances on the women for larger portions of food, since you can't say he'd be well respected or adored with any certainty.
And for all we know, the character of Sweet Pea was a sort of thief or scrivener the authorities placed under their care under the guise of a social outcast, if they're from the area it's then no wonder that, as sisters, they met, after all the context of the following was never applied and asylums were often used to house either those who were a danger to themselves or who lacked the abilities to be in a social setting such as general population. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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She didn't shoot her sister fly. She shot a lamp.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Nietzsche wrote: | | She didn't shoot her sister fly. She shot a lamp. |
no. she did the former.
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[quote="Benza"] | THEMAN wrote: |
| Quote: | Tomorrow when the war began.
So. I'm guessing this read alright in the book but it's amazingly stupid and dreadful. |
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You might have had a point but following this post. Pretty much everyone who saw it echoed the sentiment that they hated it.And I couldn't even sit thorugh this. Stopping the bluray. Essentially walking out of the feature.
And you quoted me on Lincoln Lawyer too but following that I went on to say that it was actually a good movie and I enjoyed it
Selective quoting...
Anyhow, there's a reason why SP is universally panned. Because its a terrible movie. You can like it, but that doesn't excuse any of its flaws. Shallow, uninteresting, aggravatingly stupid. FUCKING SHIT.
| Adam wrote: | | . As soon as that samurai slammed Babydoll into the floor in that first fantasy scene at like 100km/s and she made that massive crater and she just got back up like nothing happened, I lost interest. |
read back, good post but this was pretty much my thought at the exact moment it happened.
I thought 2 things..
a) she was greenscreening it
b) she was indestructible.
c) this is a videogame
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| Quote: | | Anyhow, there's a reason why SP is universally panned. Because its a terrible movie. You can like it, but that doesn't excuse any of its flaws. Shallow, uninteresting, aggravatingly stupid. |
Again you ignored my question, I wasn't saying the movie was good i'm asking what the hell you expected from it? It was always going to be a shallow badly acted stupid movie. The ads showed that, the trailers showed that, hell the character names pretty much gave it away.
Seriously what did you expect from this movie? It seems like you go and see a lot of movies that judging from your taste you know you'll hate. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having a discerning taste in movies, but then why go see shit that you're obviously not going to like?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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To kill her sister baby doll the bullet would have to ricochet. I find it hard to believe that the step father would not have killed her during the time it took for her to go outside her window, climb down, get a gun then confront him. More likely the step father beat her to death before baby doll could save her. What did he purposely not kill her so her sister could anciently kill her?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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he wasn't beating her he was raping her, or attempting to. (Sexual violence yay!) She shot her sister by accident.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:41 am Post subject: |
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How was raping her going to get her money?
On the subject of sexual violence, what is people's interpretation of dancing in the real world?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:44 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it was about money, it was about ****.
If he'd wanted to kill her sister, why beat her to death when he had a gun in his draw? Why lock up babydoll when again there was a gun lying on the floor. He wasn't planning to kill them.
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raping isn't censored but **** is?
weird.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Then why did Synder show her mother dying and the will at all?
lol, I have no idea what **** is.
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| Nietzsche wrote: | Then why did Synder show her mother dying and the will at all?
lol, I have no idea what **** is. |
The mother dying was a pretty important set up. To explain why she'd be in a fragile state of mind, that she'd only recently been with the evil uncle not brought up with him, etc etc. The mothers death drives the entire movie.
The will could have just been some extra motivation for the uncle to get rid of baby doll, or it could have just been an unimportant extra detail.
the censored word is like rap and ape smooshed together.
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| Benza wrote: | | mattstep wrote: | | Sounds like the same way Snyder "utilised" music in WATCHMEN... |
There was at least a bit more subtlety with the song choice in Watchmen. Not much but a little bit. Some of it was taken from the comic too (All along the watch tower I'm pretty sure is directly referenced in the book) |
Quite a lot of the music in the Watchmen film is directly referenced in the book. All three Dylan songs, though the film uses 2 covers instead (the very awesome Hendrix cover of All Along the Watchtowers, and the very awful My Chemical Romance cover of Desolation Row - and the original The Times They Are A-Changing) are in the book, as is Sounds of Silence, Ride of the Valkyries, You're My Thrill, Unforgettable and i'm sure others i've since forgotten.
So if it's lacking subtlety that's the complaint, most of those should go to Alan Moore, rather than Snyder.
i guess my point was i thought he did a good job with the music in Watchmen. i haven't seen SuckerPunch yet, but i am rather wary of the covers of Sweet Dreams and Where is My Mind... particularly the latter, since i think there are some good covers out there of SD, but i don't think there'll ever be a better fit for WIMM than the end of Fight Club, and i don't know why people still bother to try.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I just want to say a couple of quick things.
| THEMAN wrote: | | Anyhow, there's a reason why SP is universally panned. Because its a terrible movie. |
Sucker Punch is not universally panned.
| THEMAN wrote: | | You can like it, but that doesn't excuse any of its flaws. Shallow, uninteresting, aggravatingly stupid. **** ****. |
What? I think that in liking it, you would be excusing its flaws (if you perceived such flaws at all), at least to a degree. After all, in order to like a film, you'd have to believe that the positives outweigh the negatives.
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| admeister wrote: |
Sucker Punch is not universally panned.
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It kind of is
when you're scored underneath "Justin Bieber: Never say Never" you're doing pretty fucking bad.
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| Benza wrote: | | admeister wrote: |
Sucker Punch is not universally panned.
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It kind of is |
Actually, it kind of isn't. I was actually thinking of RT when I wrote that. I'm seeing positive reviews from Top Critics, so it's not a universal consensus at all. Merely a majority one.
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22%
Lolz
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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There's far worse films currently showing.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Its ok for people not to like the things you like, ads. It happens. You getting incredibly obsessed over something is not going to change this.
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I just wanted to correct the usage of the word 'universally' more than anything.
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| admeister wrote: | | There's far worse films currently showing. |
When there are two fucking Russell brand movies out that isn't saying much.
It's kind of like saying you're the tallest guy at a midget convention.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:18 am Post subject: |
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22%? so 1 in 5 people LIKED it. Movie criticism has always been an odd thing to me and music even more so.
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Money wise, it's doing a lot better than Scott Pilgrim in any case. I didn't think it would happen, but Warner Bros just broke even on Sucker Punch. 80.5 million in revenue, good takings.
Edit: My numbers say they've taken 80.5 million against an 82 million budget. Box Office Mojo.
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they haven't broken even yet have they? The numbers is saying it's made 66 million on a 75 million budget.
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