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I work with someone that quit drinking and their comment they bring out whenever there's work drinks is: "People only drink because they're shy and need the alcohol to be sociable. I don't need alcohol to be sociable."
Discuss. Not only the comment, but that particular line of attitude.
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I quit drinking 2 years ago. Haven't looked back since. It hasn't crippled my social life and you can still get girls without it. The only annoying thing is that some people are idiots and think that you are always willing to drive them home  .
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | grim-one wrote: |
There was no comparison, I was pointing out that you can have fun and memorable moments without being drunk. |
Nobody said you couldn't, they were more talking about the type of fun you have while drunk. I.e. more. |
Is it really more fun though? How can you quantify that? If you spend less time and money on alcohol, couldn't you redirect those resources elsewhere to have just as much fun?
| Sinthesys wrote: | | grim-one wrote: |
As for qualifications? This thread was inviting opinions from both sides, thus as a teetotaller I'm qualified |
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I never said I hadn't tried drinking, in fact my first post in here was a list of types of things I've tried. I just haven't been drunk. I do know what it's like, through observation. Sometimes it's fine and they do enjoy themselves, othertimes people go way over their head and it's not pleasant for anyone.
| Sinthesys wrote: | | It's the friend that goads and cheers you into doing stupid **** and then tortures you the next day for it. |
Again you don't need to be drunk for this to happen.
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| Quote: | | Is it really more fun though? |
Through comparison of how much fun you have when your drunk and how much fun you have when your sober?
Yeah you can spend your money doing other things, but after you've got a nice drunk going, those things will be more fun.
| Quote: | | I do know what it's like, through observation. |
That's not knowing what it's like.
| Quote: | othertimes people go way over their head and it's not pleasant for anyone.
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This is irrelivent, those people are morons and really have no more bearing on going out drinking then the Chinese guy that played warcraft for a week and died from not eating has on you and me playing video games.
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I think a quiet drink at the end of a long, hard week is something that is very underrated.
Not a 'party' sort of guy, but I think just a few drinks, a few close friends and a few video games can be really nice on the weekend.
That said, I'm only 17 and still relatively inexperienced in the whole matter.
and yes, my parents went for the slightly 'mediterranian' way of teaching responsible drinking.
Funnily enough, it's the friends that were also taught a bit of respect for the drink that I enjoy said experience with the most.
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i used the "aussie" method....work, get home, get drunk, pass out, repeat
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i used to drink a lot, a really lot. six pack in the morning, head down to the skate park, wash up at my mate's place at night for half a carton of beer.
they ere good times, but at the end of the day it got a bit unfulfilling. Alcohol consumption goes both ways for me, i love getting drunk, i love having a quiet beer and i enjoy being sober, it depends on the company i am keeping and the circumstances of that company.
party at my house? aint no cheese platters, imma gittin drunk, dinner party or mates coming over to chillout on some gfames, i'll limit myself to anything up to a six pack. during the week, i dont really drink, because one drink puts me to sleep and if i ramp i up, its just paying excess money for a beverage at home during the week when apple juice will do the trick.
plus, if no one drank alcohol, there would be no singstar. people tnd to corner alcohol and drinking and not drinking into their corner of choice, bit sitting firmly in the middle is just fine by me. and you cant stand next to a bbq without a beer in your hand, it's just not right.
i used to have a problem with the taste with beer being gross, vodke with heavy mixers to start with. after a while i grew to enjoy an ice cold beer and it is the only alcohol i drink now. it slows me down to a standstill before i get to drunk and itsnt too easy to drink that i'll skull it. it is also a heap cheaper if drunk in moderation compared to the spirits and their easy to drinkness.
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| Quote: | | it slows me down to a standstill before i get to drunk and itsnt too easy to drink that i'll skull it |
You say this but every time I've seen you're still barley able to stand up drunk.
Also totally second the sing star comment.
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i seriously cant remember the last time i have been 'barely able to stand up' drunk. If anything i get a bit more hyper, but in recent years I havent been a messy drunk at all.
I remember rocking up when i first met my wife on our second night out clubbing and she thought i hadnt had any drinks, and the beer she bought me would have made it my 15th. needless to say i didnt drink much more after that one.
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2 cans, per man, per day, perhaps.
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| Gizmocreative wrote: | | i seriously cant remember the last time i have been 'barely able to stand up' drunk. If anything i get a bit more hyper, but in recent years I havent been a messy drunk at all. |
Come to think of it I probably haven't seen you drinking since that christmas party like two years ago. Didn't realize it had been that long.
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| mrpookles wrote: | I work with someone that quit drinking and their comment they bring out whenever there's work drinks is: "People only drink because they're shy and need the alcohol to be sociable. I don't need alcohol to be sociable."
Discuss. Not only the comment, but that particular line of attitude. |
It reeks of denial. They quit drinking, but because it still tempts them, they have to bull-**** a reason to give themselves positive reinforcement and a false sense of superiority. Just like the fox, they call the grapes they cannot reach 'sour'.
That sort of attitude annoys me, as they take a personal decision and turn it into a public judgement call all in the name of nourishing their own ego. If people drank to make up for their social deficiencies only, why do people drink alone?
| Grim-one wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | It's the friend that goads and cheers you into doing stupid **** and then tortures you the next day for it. |
Again you don't need to be drunk for this to happen. |
When you're an adult, this behaviour becomes less and less acceptable, unless you are in fact, drunk. Also, the head on your shoulders becomes less and less likely to listen to that voice, unless you are in fact, drunk.
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the problem with behaviour like that, isn't the alcohol, its the people you are hanging with. i have gotten rotten drunk with my friends and the worst thing i have been pressured into was a meatloaf duet on singstar.
the company i used to keep invovled all sorts of ridiculous drunken antics, taking teenage girls to peep shows, dancing with transvestites on tables, late night slalom runs down steep streets with the car following you lighting the path.
alcohol doesnt make you do these things, its the nature of the person having the ideas. if you are strong willed enough to think these things are stupid, then drinking shouldnt be an issue.
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| Quote: | | plus, if no one drank alcohol, there would be no singstar |
Edit - IMO, it is actually good to have self-confidence without the aid of anything as well. Not saying don't drink but there are fun to be had without the need to have a drink. I've worked my way around without a drink and I'm still getting invited to events.
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | Grim-one wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | It's the friend that goads and cheers you into doing stupid **** and then tortures you the next day for it. |
Again you don't need to be drunk for this to happen. |
When you're an adult, this behaviour becomes less and less acceptable, unless you are in fact, drunk. Also, the head on your shoulders becomes less and less likely to listen to that voice, unless you are in fact, drunk. |
If your mates are "torturing" you over something, whatever it was it's probably not acceptable - drunk or not. And "When you're an adult"? You sound like you're lecturing a 13 year old 
I think I should probably just stop posting in this thread, since everyone seems to want to just tell me my opinion is plain wrong.
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | When you're an adult, this behaviour becomes less and less acceptable, unless you are in fact, drunk. Also, the head on your shoulders becomes less and less likely to listen to that voice, unless you are in fact, drunk. |
This is quite simply the dumbest comment this thread has spawned. Being drunk doesn't give people the license to do stupid ****, nor does it specifically mean they're going to, like the guy above said if you're going to do stupid **** while drunk, you're going to do it sober, alcohol does not turn you into a completely different person.
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I have a solution.
People who don’t drink – live and let live.
People who drink – live and let live.
Personally I am going to continue to drink insane amounts of premixed bourbon whilst balancing a healthy lifestyle, social life and career. There is no right or wrong answer in a battle of preference.
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| Mick Saige wrote: | I have a solution.
People who don’t drink – live and let live.
People who drink – live and let live.
Personally I am going to continue to drink insane amounts of premixed bourbon whilst balancing a healthy lifestyle, social life and career. There is no right or wrong answer in a battle of preference. |
I'll drink to that.
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Main reason I drink when I'm out with friends? It's helps me to be more sociable. Yes, that is seriously it. Throughout my school years I was both harassed so often by other people and then continuously ignored by my friends that I had an extremely hard time speaking up whenever I was out with people for a couple of years after I finished high school. After hanging out with the Palgn crew for a bit I realised that once I'd had a few drinks I was able to ignore that past crap and just be myself. Yes, alcohol was taking away my social inhibitions. After realising how much better it felt to just talk to people and not constantly worry I then started to work out my issues and now I'm much more sociable than I used to be and much less stressed.
That is right people, alcohol led me to a revelation that helped fix an extremely hard personal issue. It will live on forever in my heart, as the beverage that helped fix my head.
Also, Vodka Screwdrivers and Bourbon and Coke are awesome. Agwa is also awesome if you can find a bottle of it.
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| Sin Ogaris wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | When you're an adult, this behaviour becomes less and less acceptable, unless you are in fact, drunk. Also, the head on your shoulders becomes less and less likely to listen to that voice, unless you are in fact, drunk. |
This is quite simply the dumbest comment this thread has spawned. Being drunk doesn't give people the license to do stupid ****, nor does it specifically mean they're going to, like the guy above said if you're going to do stupid **** while drunk, you're going to do it sober, alcohol does not turn you into a completely different person. |
Before you well and truly get your panties into a bunch, maybe you should take a step back and stop making implications and assumptions. I never said it gives you 'the license to do stupid ****' I merely stated that:
a) It is more understandable to be irresponsible when you are under the influence. If you call your mate a ****-head while drunk, he's going to be much more forgiving than if you did it sober.
b) People use it as social lubricant because of this. Perhaps it's because they know that they have a better chance to get away with something they were going to do anyway if they have that excuse, or perhaps it's something they wanted to do, but were held back by inhibitions while sober.
| Sin Ogaris wrote: | | nor does it specifically mean they're going to |
I never said that either. But c'mon, are you going to sit there straight faced and tell me you are a perfectly reasonable person while drunk and have never woken up the next day regretting doing something you'd only have done if you were drunk? Hell, the entire sitcom trope of 'what did I do last night?' is built around this very fact. Don't disagree for the sake of it, Sin.
| Sin Ogaris wrote: | | like the guy above said if you're going to do stupid **** while drunk, you're going to do it sober |
What the fuck does that mean? You are more prone to doing stupid shit when your judgement has been impaired by a mind altering substance. This isn't rocket science, buddy, it's just the nature of alcohol. Will you start beating on your girlfriend, just because you've had a few drinks? Probably not, but would you consider driving home after having a few when if you were sober, you'd never, ever think you'd be the person to drink drive? I think everyone can relate to that sort of lapse in judgement due to drinking...
| Sin Ogaris wrote: | | alcohol does not turn you into a completely different person. |
Where did I say that? Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Fuck me mate, I think you called the witchhunt a little early...
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Drunkness directly influences the amount of pizza shapes within my household.
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| Vervain wrote: | | Agwa is also awesome if you can find a bottle of it. |
These glasses truly are the shit.
Chaser in the bottom, shot on top.
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Ivr had many a fun nights out with my mates drinking, having fun, spending alot of money. I sometimes think back and wonder how much money I have spent going out and p!ssing up my pay check and even though its probably a shed load I wouldnt trade those memories for anything.
I dont go out and drink like I used to as I have more things going on in my life but when I get a chance to get a little silly with my friends I jump at the chance.
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| Mick Saige wrote: | | Personally I am going to continue to drink insane amounts of premixed bourbon whilst balancing a healthy lifestyle, social life and career. There is no right or wrong answer in a battle of preference. |
A healthy lifestyle won't balance out drinking insane amounts of alcohol. You'll feel your health will deteriorate after a few years and you'll have trouble exercising regularly or just being healthy in general. Everything should be done in moderation regardless of how balanced your lifestyle is.
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I'm always up for a drink. I have toned it down a bit, especially since I moved to Melbourne (and don't have so many people to drink with).
I don't quite get the health issue, because almost anything is bad for our body in excess.
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