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^ Word. I don't understand people that drink "one or two" when they drink. Unless that gets them smashed, I guess.
I drink to get drunk. If I'm not going to drink enough to get drunk, I'll just have a Coke or something.
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I'm with Ramblerun on that one.
I love most forms of alcohol, but I love the taste, always have.
Conversely, I hate the taste of coffee, cannot stand it in any way, shape, or form. I'm not going to piss fart around gulping down cup after cup of pig swill just on the off chance that it might damage my taste buds enough that I can no longer taste the putridity of it.
So if someone doesn't like the taste of alcohol, then I'll have no qualms with them not drinking it (that said, there are dozens of types of alcohol, actually physically not finding even one that's enjoyable to you would be like saying you don't like any type of pizza, but hey, stranger things have happened).
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| Ramblerun wrote: | | But I was talking about the people who don't enjoy it in the first place. Why would those people want to do something that they don't enjoy just to get the taste for it later on? |
because later on they enjoy it?
Is that really a difficult thing to comprehend.
Chances are the first time you have sex isn't that great either, but you don't give up there.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Aussie XP wrote: | | Its been clear to me over the years that you just can't convince some people no matter what, to even try it. |
Usually, it's because they have formulated an opinion that is entirely divorced from the alcohol itself. From experience, the straight egers have either swallowed a bunch of propaganda or they've had a traumatic experience related to alcohol. Either way, their opinions are based on people who don't drink in moderation - Their opinions are based on substance abuse, not sensible substance use.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Just to make it clear. I have had many experiences with alcohol, both in excess and in the amounts prescribed by some of you. Personally it wasn't an activity I enjoyed. The heightened social aspects do not appeal to me as I am not a very social person anyway, the person that I appear to be when I am drinking is not the person that I am and so I don't see any advantage in socialising this way. The attitude I have towards drinking is in no way a moral stance or a dislike towards people who like it or partake in it. I don't go out of my way to not drink alcohol, but if I am to drink something there are a whole list of other things that I would pick before it as I enjoy those a lot more.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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See, I can get behind that sort of thinking Ramblerun: You tried it, you're not fond of it, and you keep that as a personal opinion. Sorry if I was a tad aggressive, but it's sort of a reflex after encountering so many self-righteous anti-drinkers...
That said, the person you are when you are drinking is the just you, sans the social inhibitions. When you drink, you don't 'change' per se, you just care less about how you come across. People who are violent drunks usually have deep-seated anger issues that they suppress when they are sober, perhaps unconsciously.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I seriously bow down to the last two posts by Sinthesys (slow typer, the ones before his post directly above). I'm not great with words, but his points and phrases are what I've been trying to get at. 'mentally impaired' and 'poison' I and other drinkers consider a myth, similar to the statement made by Sinthesys about 'propoganda', that I feel can only be changed when alcohol is experienced properly.
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But it should not be a requirement to be socially accepted. Not everyone wishes to drink and if they choose not to they shouldn't be left out just because drinkers feels the need to see them differently. I never experience that personally as the people I'm with is very understanding but it is sad for me to hear that there is a chance that non-drinkers might be left out due to drinking preference?.
I say quit over-analysing as there is indeed more than 1 way to have fun that isn't necessarily less fun. When common alcohol beverages let me down (it in fact ruin the fun for the people around me too), sugar gives me this childish feeling. Good thing is I can't get kicked out from work when I'm sugar high, woohoo. Other people too bad wasn't as fortunate when they went wild with alcohol. (hooray for loopholes).
Edit - dammit, I'm a slow poster  . Sorry that this is out of place.
Edit 2 - more evidence about having fun with sugar. One bar of chocolate = laughing at the whole 1 dayer in cricket, Australia vs India. I remembered it well because Sharma and Bracken made me laugh the heaviest. I don't know why I saw bowlers funny. O man, them rubbing the ball on their legs?, hilarious, long hair? hilarious, Bracken's handband? hilarious, Sharma's cordinal stained top?, hilarious. This was the reason why I had a sugar ban during cricket and it became more boring (I was never a sports person, my bf is a huge fan of cricket).
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | People who are violent drunks usually have deep-seated anger issues that they suppress when they are sober, perhaps unconsciously. |
Well shit, last tiem I got really drunk I lay on the floor in hysterics unable to get up, untill eventually my laughter was contageous to myself and I was just laughing because I was laughing untill my stomach hurt and I couldn't breathe.
what does that say about me?
Gotta wonder though, since taste has been the big issue.
What are your guys fave drinks taste wise?
Personally I'm a fan of Absinth mixed with Ginger Beer or Baileys.
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| Island_Wolf wrote: | | But it should not be a requirement to be socially accepted. Not everyone wishes to drink and if they choose not to they shouldn't be left out just because drinkers feels the need to see them differently. I never experience that personally as the people I'm with is very understanding but it is sad for me to hear that there is a chance that non-drinkers might be left out due to drinking preference?. |
I think it's mostly because people see non-drinkers in a drinking setting as making a judgement call about everyone else who is drinking - They feel judged, like the only non comic lover at a comic convention, they feel like you are judging their pass time by not participating. It has become a part of life, culturally, that one cements their friendships through drinking, perhaps due in no small part from the honesty that comes out of being drunk. This is not something that will be easy to change, but most good people won't shun you for abstaining unless you throw a moral hissy fit when asked why. Only an asshole would ostracise you for it.
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I say quit over-analysing as there is indeed more than 1 way to have fun that isn't necessarily less fun. When common alcohol beverages let me down (it in fact ruin the fun for the people around me too), sugar gives me this childish feeling. |
Perhaps, but there is a huge difference, especially chemically on what different drugs do to the brain, compared to mere 'natural highs' (or sugar-highs). The amount of positive chemicals like dopamine, 'happiness chemicals' that trigger positive feelings in the user can't be matched through nature. I bet you a million dollars you'd never achieve the same amount of 'happy feelings' you get from one ecstasy pill than you can get from all the sugar in the world.
Compare sugar to alcohol in relation to highness and you're comparing wearing pocket lint to a full sheepskin coat in a snowstorm. It's not even comparable.
| Benza wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | People who are violent drunks usually have deep-seated anger issues that they suppress when they are sober, perhaps unconsciously. |
Well ****, last tiem I got really drunk I lay on the floor in hysterics unable to get up, untill eventually my laughter was contageous to myself and I was just laughing because I was laughing untill my stomach hurt and I couldn't breathe.
what does that say about me? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| lapzod wrote: | Alcohol is broken down to acetaldehyde.
Acetaldehyde is rapidly converted to acetate by other enzymes and is eventually metabolized to carbon dioxide and water.
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Acetaldehyde is used in flavour creation to give something a full, juicy flavour & mouthfeel. It's also really bad in concentrated form and restricts your lungs from moving properly.
True story.
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I love a good bourbon and coke usually. If I go to the pub we always drink Tooheys New. Just gotten used to it and sick of paying so much more for a crappy "German" beer, when usually they aren't actually even German. Just not worth it, nothing like a good old TED.
As for real German imported beer, I do quite enjoy, but you won't find that stuff on tap in a pub, only at proper establishments.
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| Benza wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | People who are violent drunks usually have deep-seated anger issues that they suppress when they are sober, perhaps unconsciously. |
what does that say about me? |
You have deep-seated laughter issues?
| Benza wrote: | | Personally I'm a fan of Absinth mixed with Ginger Beer or Baileys. |
Wait...what? Absinthe mixed with Ginger beer or Baileys? That sounds horrible dude, your esophagus must be lead lined.
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I usually never stray from trusty old Jim Beam. Never enjoyed beer other than at the end of a days work on the rare occasion, never get drunk off it though. Can't stand most wines either. Occasional vodka/red bull if it's going to be a big night. Love scotch but don't drink it that often for some reason. Love Sambucca to death.
Only had absinthe once and thoroughly enjoyed it, too expensive to do it regularly though.
I'm with Theory though, I only really drink to get drunk every 2nd weekend or so. Massive night coming up on Friday too, green chartreuse shots will be ordered.
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| Warpdogg wrote: |
Wait...what? Absinthe mixed with Ginger beer or Baileys? That sounds horrible dude, your esophagus must be lead lined. |
Not mixed with ginger beer or baileys.
Absinth mixed with ginger beer.
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Just baileys.
Two seperate drinks. Jesus absinth + bailiey would be fucking revolting. That and mixing milky booze with non milky booze makes me sick.
Absinth with Ginger Beer is awesome though. Or if I'm in the mood to get drunk quickly and can't be fucked mixing I do absinth shots.
I still can't get the thing were you mix it with the sugar cube down though. It never works for me propperly.
Big absinths fan though. Love the stuff.
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I'll usually drink anything that isn't too sweet (hell, I'll probably still drink it), but I very much love a pint of ice cold beer. The only things routinely on tap that don't cost an arm and a leg are Kilkenny or Carlton Draught. I don't usually drink wine other than over dinner, as it gives me a horrible hangover, and scotch is usually something I drink with friends/family when at home, talking into the wee hours of the night. I guess what I drink is very much context sensitive, but there's nothing I really hate.
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Big absinths fan though. Love the stuff |
If you ever get a chance to get your hands on the original french stuff with wormwood extract, do it. It's friggen golden when lit over a spoon with a sugar cube into a thumb of ice water. Gives you a nice buzz.
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| Sinthesys wrote: |
If you ever get a chance to get your hands on the original french stuff with wormwood extract, do it. It's friggen golden when lit over a spoon with a sugar cube into a thumb of ice water. Gives you a nice buzz. |
Pfft "original french"...go drinking with the Swiss my friend.
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| Benza wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | People who are violent drunks usually have deep-seated anger issues that they suppress when they are sober, perhaps unconsciously. |
Well ****, last tiem I got really drunk I lay on the floor in hysterics unable to get up, untill eventually my laughter was contageous to myself and I was just laughing because I was laughing untill my stomach hurt and I couldn't breathe.
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In high school I drank heavily though, at one point I thought my optimal level of drunk was 20 standard drinks because that was where I was able to be really drunk but still remember most the night :/ Then one night I sculled an almost full bottle of JD, a six pack and some beer bongs, it didn't end pretty but ever since I've been drinking about half as much as I used to, if at all, and having a better time because of it.
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Clearly, drinking is something I just don't "get", but I'm happy enough with that.
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| Aussie XP wrote: | | Drinking is a very sociable thing to do. |
I'll agree this is true. Not drinking of course does not preclude being social.
| Aussie XP wrote: | | I truly feel if you haven't had a few drunken experiences with your closest buddies, your missing out on some good memories. |
I don't really agree on this though. I've never been drunk but I've got plenty of good memories hanging out with friends and doing hilarious stuff. Plus I remember it all, unlike some of those who were drunk 
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| grim-one wrote: |
| Aussie XP wrote: | | I truly feel if you haven't had a few drunken experiences with your closest buddies, your missing out on some good memories. |
I don't really agree on this though. I've never been drunk but I've got plenty of good memories hanging out with friends and doing hilarious stuff. Plus I remember it all, unlike some of those who were drunk |
I didn't say it was the only way to get good memories, I just said your missing out on some possible good ones. Its one of those things where if you haven't done it you won't know what your missing out on. Not saying its the only way to have a good time.
And I've never once in my entire life not remembered a drunken night, honestly I think people who say they can't remember it are just plain stupid or they think it makes them look "cool" for having that many drinks....I say they need to HTFU. I always remember things fine even when I've had terribly drunk nights.
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| grim-one wrote: | | Aussie XP wrote: | | I truly feel if you haven't had a few drunken experiences with your closest buddies, your missing out on some good memories. |
I don't really agree on this though. I've never been drunk but I've got plenty of good memories hanging out with friends and doing hilarious stuff. Plus I remember it all, unlike some of those who were drunk |
If you have never been drunk, what are you basing your comparison on? Seriously, if you haven't experienced both sides, you aren't really qualified to comment.
What he means by 'you're missing out on some good memories' is that when you get drunk with your friends, you tend to do crazy/out of the ordinary things. Things that are fun, spontaneous, exciting, dangerous and often very stupid, but ultimately some of best memories you'll look back on. Some of the dumbest, but funniest things that have happened to me wouldn't have happened at all if my friends and I weren't drinking - Good or not, they were certainly memorable...
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And I've never once in my entire life not remembered a drunken night, honestly I think people who say they can't remember it are just plain stupid or they think it makes them look "cool" for having that many drinks....I say they need to HTFU. I always remember things fine even when I've had terribly drunk nights. |
I lose my memories when drinking fairly easily. Once I go past a certain point of drunkness, I won't be able to remember much at all (past that point, I can remember everything up to that point just fine). It'll all be snippets of scenes or conversations, everything half remembered, half heard. I can drink a lot too, so I think it's just a personal effect it has on me, not me being cadbury.
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | grim-one wrote: | | Aussie XP wrote: | | I truly feel if you haven't had a few drunken experiences with your closest buddies, your missing out on some good memories. |
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If you have never been drunk, what are you basing your comparison on? Seriously, if you haven't experienced both sides, you aren't really qualified to comment. |
There was no comparison, I was pointing out that you can have fun and memorable moments without being drunk.
As for qualifications? This thread was inviting opinions from both sides, thus as a teetotaller I'm qualified
I'm not trying to tell you guys not to drink and have fun doing it. Just trying to point out that it's not necessary in order to have fun or be sociable.
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| grim-one wrote: |
There was no comparison, I was pointing out that you can have fun and memorable moments without being drunk. |
Nobody said you couldn't, they were more talking about the type of fun you have while drunk. I.e. more.
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As for qualifications? This thread was inviting opinions from both sides, thus as a teetotaller I'm qualified |
Everybody spent their first 18 years or so being teatotallers, so it's not really a unique perspective. You actually have to had tried drinking before you can comment on it, and to a lesser extent, life when you are deprived of it. You don't know what it's like, so you can't compare drunk good times to sober good times yet. You can't offer a well formed opinion without that experience.
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I'm not trying to tell you guys not to drink and have fun doing it. Just trying to point out that it's not necessary in order to have fun or be sociable. |
Nobody ever said you need alcohol to have a good time, in fact, everyone has said the opposite. That's not to say you won't have a comparatively better time when you're drunk. You don't need friends to have fun, but you have a hell of a lot more fun when you're with them. Same with alcohol I guess: It's the friend that goads and cheers you into doing stupid shit and then tortures you the next day for it.
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