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I was looking forward to this. How bad is it? Is it worth your time at all?
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| Nietzsche wrote: | | I was looking forward to this. How bad is it? Is it worth your time at all? |
Depends what you expect from it.
It's a dumb action movie that tries to be something more. It doesn't suceed but it's a fun way to kill an hour and a half.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: | | It doesn't suceed but it's a fun way to kill an hour and a half. |
That's all I need to here.
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As above, but in my words as soon as it finished:
"It was one of the most pointless films I have seen, and I enjoyed every minute of it!"
It's essentially a self-indulgent film for Snyder (and stylistically speaking, experimental). But the set pieces were amazing (the trenches was the highlight for me), and visually it just hit the right notes.
What I found interesting was the fact that every action sequence was different. It felt like multiple directors were tasked to doing each one. I liked the freshness of it, rather than expecting to see the same thing every time.
But like everyone else has said, it's pretty much a thrill ride flick.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it really is worth going to see just for the action sequences - if that sort of thing floats your boat, smooth sailing ahead! Just don't bother paying much attention to what's around them.
Trench sequence was das boom, for sure.
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It floats my boat very strongly! Seriously, the movie has the best action scenes I've ever seen in a film.  Enthiran was celebrated as having the best action scenes ever, not long ago, but I think Sucker Punch definitely tops it. The CGI is just amazing, as are the epic set pieces. The acting was better than I expected too, though I know others may disagree.
I give it a 4/5, best movie since Scott Pilgrim.
Also check out the website, which is rather awesome: http://suckerpunchmovie.warnerbros.com/
It gives you a nice little taste of the action scenes in the movie.
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| admeister wrote: | | Enthiran was celebrated as having the best action scenes ever, not long ago, |
No Enthiran was celebrated for having the most shit balls retarded action sequences. Important difference.
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That's not the impression that I got. Maybe I missed something, it's not important though. I just <3 Sucker Punch.
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| admeister wrote: | | That's not the impression that I got. Maybe I missed something, it's not important though. I just <3 Sucker Punch. |
Have you seen the action sequences from that movie? At one sequences theres a giant snake made out of middle aged indian men. It's fucking insane.
While I loved the action sequnces in sucker punch I think calling them the best is going a bit far. The most heavily stylised maybe. And they were good don't get me wrong but none of em hold a candle to say, Tony Jaa fighting the Capoiera dude from the protector.
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Well yes, it does depend on what movies you've seen in the past. For me anyway, Sucker Punch has the best, but that could change as I see more movies.
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You haven't seen the protector? Man get on that!
I spose it comes down to a style thing though. Sucker punch is far more stylistic. But I prefer action scenes done with people that can actually fight like the stuff you seen on Ong Bak (1 and 2 not 3)
Wich actually brings up my biggest beef in the movie.
WHAT THE FUCK WAS WITH SWEET PEA NOT USING HER SWORD?!
She had a broad sword on her back for every action sequences and it never got used once? What the shit was the deal with that?
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Yeah, I love stylised action, so this movie just blew me away. Good point about Sweet Pea! I guess they just wanted her to fit in, or maybe they deleted a scene where she uses it. Hard to say.
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| Benza wrote: | | WHAT THE **** WAS WITH SWEET PEA NOT USING HER SWORD?! |
This.
Also, best movie since Scott Pilgrim? You are having a troll there, right?
Double also: Inception meets Kill Bill? Okay, yeah. Trollololol.
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | Also, best movie since Scott Pilgrim? You are having a troll there, right? |
I'm completely serious. It takes a fair bit of love to make me change my sig and av. I was just copying the website with my sig bit, it shall be changed. It does have some noticeable similarities to Inception though.
Edit: Well said ShortRaver, you totally get what I'm getting at. I'm definitely looking forward to the Blu-Ray version.
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| admeister wrote: | | Karai Pantsu wrote: | | Also, best movie since Scott Pilgrim? You are having a troll there, right? |
I'm completely serious. I was just copying the website with my sig bit, it shall be changed. |
I totally understand what admeister is getting at. The more I think about Sucker Punch since having seen it, the more geekouts I have. And it was the same with Scott Pilgrim.
I mean, of course those films will not be your Inception or your Black Swan, but for that film style, they are some, if not, the best I've seen personally.
RE: Sweetpea's Sword
Are you sure she didn't use it during the Robot sequence? Anyway, Snyder stated that a lot of stuff was cut to meet the MPAA rating they were after, so perhaps we may see them when he releases his cut on Blu-Ray.
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Are you sure she didn't use it during the Robot sequence? |
Yes cause I spent the entire movie waiting excitedly for her to bust out her fucking broad sword.
I'm kind fo the opposite, the more I sit and think about the movie the less I like it.
I stand by my statement that Snyder is one of the best visual directors in the buisness but his movies really don't stand up to closer examination. It's a great movie to watch but a terrible movie to think about.
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It's the opposite for me, the more I think about the movie, the more I feel like going and seeing it again (if only to geek out with the action scenes). I was so distracted by it all the first time, that a few important bits of the movie didn't even register.
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I was annoyed at when the action started, Amber was mostly flying around for the whole scene hardly even in it.
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Not enough Blondie in the spotlight, IMO.
As for the SuckerPunch being good talk...
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that's pretty much the best animated gif ever isn't it.
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I think it's one of the worst, it comes off as a giant rant about the film. A review should cover both the good and the bad, and if there's no good then at least offer some suggestions for improvement. Seriously, some of the reviews I've read for Sucker Punch are pathetic, it's just the reviewer taking cheap shots and exaggerating everything into a giant, negative mess. Not to mention the massive spoilers in that particular review.
The sexual element of the film is constantly blown out of proportion. Seriously. There's no nudity, there's no sex, nothing. I don't even remember noticing any "upskirt" shots at all. Maybe I just wasn't sitting there and looking for anything remotely offensive while watching the film.  The majority of the film is set in what os essentially a brothel, so what? It's just a setting.
| Quote: | Suddenly they are dancers in a low-lit kitten club, and the creepy orderly Blue (Oscar Isaac) is now their swanky pimp. I think.
I mean, I'm not really sure. I don't think Zack Snyder is, either; evidently the 'You will be unprepared' tagline was also the script editor's professional motto. Sucker Punch is an insulting afterthought of a film; the worst sort of "non-linear" narrative that makes gestures towards depth or subversiveness but is really just lazy. It's the screenwriting equivalent of those novelty clocks with the numbers jumbled that say 'Who Cares?' |
Clearly, someone missed the transition from the real mental institute to the imagined brothel. Non-linear narrative is common in films these days, and Sucker Punch is a movie that makes its transitions quite clear. Complaining that it has no depth is like complaining that Inception had too many layers. Once you grasp that there are three layers going on (reality, then the imagined brothel, then the further imagined action scenes), you can see that a fair bit of thought has been put into the flow of the movie. Each action scene mirrors what is going on in the real world, and serves as a coping mechanism for Baby Doll.
As for the music, maybe I just don't know much, but I liked it. The good sales of the soundtrack have to mean something...I guess.
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| admeister wrote: |
The sexual element of the film is constantly blown out of proportion. Seriously. There's no nudity, there's no sex, nothing. I don't even remember noticing any "upskirt" shots at all. Maybe I just wasn't sitting there and looking for anything remotely offensive while watching the film. The majority of the film is set in what os essentially a brothel, so what? It's just a setting.
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It really isn't being blown out of proportion. The movie is sleazy as hell.
I mean I enjoyed it but don't try and kid yourself, this movie is sleazy.
I mean the action sequences take place with the chicks wearing fetish outfits. It transitions to a burlesque house for literally no reason whatsoever other then to give an excuse to put the chicks in slutty outfits for most of the movie. There's the constant overt threat of **** to pretty much everyone in the movie.
| Quote: | | I think it's one of the worst, it comes off as a giant rant about the film. |
Man you should check out the Pajiba review for it then.
| Quote: | It’s as if Snyder spent a weekend dropping acid and playing every video game he could find, and developed a series of hallucination-based short films. Then, he came up with a sordid, melodramatic-as-fuck story about young girls trapped in a brothel/insane asylum/burlesque club/Dickensian shithole. Then, he decided he was gonna get all girl-powered and developed his own brand of lingerie-inspired pedophelia-themed feminism. Then he took all of those things, stuffed them into a bag three sizes to small, and then beat the fucking bag with hammers until he shit himself.
He then topped off the bag with feces, and hit me in the face with it. In short, Zack Snyder is an asshole. |
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Ads, it really isn't being overplayed at all - the film is literally built around sexual violence, and is full of implied (and attempted) ****. It's actually a little alarming how many people don't understand why this is bad, or recognize it as happening at all... 
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| Benza wrote: | | It transitions to a burlesque house for literally no reason whatsoever other then to give an excuse to put the chicks in slutty outfits for most of the movie. |
I agree that THE TRANSITION was the only real shortcoming I had with the film.
The costumes shouldn't really have a problem as we've seen similar in Animes, which Sucker Punch is heavily influenced from (along with the poses, comic strip style freeze frames, etc). I'd go out of my way and say it's a bit harsh to criticise the outfits considering that in today's culture, we see the same themes everywhere.
And stylistically, I liked the contrast of the three "stage" settings.
However, it's that one moment from the mental asylum instantly becoming the "Burlesque" house (which is a much better term for it) with very little (to no) explanation that caught me. I have no doubt there is a hugely cut scene here that had placeholders to explain everything from the 'recreation room' intro up until the first action sequence. Because that is a HELL of a lot of plot to skip.
Because of this, the overall theme of the movie wasn't explained very well except for the intro and outro narration but the gap between really needed to be re-emphasised by those points. By the end of the film I was distracted by the action sequences that I forgot what was said at the intro, which in turn made the end narration confusing. Yes it made sense, but only to a point.
That said, for me, the positives totally outweighed the negatives.
| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | Ads, it really isn't being overplayed at all - the film is literally built around sexual violence, and is full of implied (and attempted) ****. It's actually a little alarming how many people don't understand why this is bad, or recognize it as happening at all... |
But it's also based around sexual empowerment (just like the original 'I Spit on your Grave' using the victims' objectification against their aggressors). Unfortunately as I said before, the story is too disjointed to make sense of both.
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