| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
squintyasian
Status: Offline
Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 30
$poons: 1.60
|
 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: Pokemon Tournament |
|
|
 |
|
|
hey all , I was wondering about having a polemon tournament, a palgn cup if you will. I was thinking of following the vgc rules (they restrict a certain few poke's) or having a tier styles format (taken off smogan).....what do you guys think?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Esposch
Status: Offline
Joined: 25 Sep 2009
Posts: 3858
$poons: 62.00
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
I'll join. And using the Smogon Ubers list is a good idea. Don't want it to turn into Mewtwo wars.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
VGC rules also dictate that it is a Double battle, 4v4, so it's a completely different playstyle.
And yes, the current Smogon OU teir is a nice, rounded set of Pokemon to play with. I'm in.
Also, it'd be sweet if there were no hacks, just legitimately bred Pokemon and stuff.  But doesn't bother me either way.
I might be able to breed a special Dratini or something for the victor if I can.
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
squintyasian
Status: Offline
Joined: 03 Apr 2011
Posts: 30
$poons: 1.60
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
in regards to the vgc, i was only refering to their restrictions (2v2 is crap)... legitimacy is hard to combat though, but all in all i do not think it matters as much if there is an 'uber' restriction
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kartanym
Status: Offline
Joined: 09 Dec 2007
Posts: 1596
$poons: 252.30
Location: Perth, WA
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
We should have a 'Black and White only' round.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sobriquet835
Status: Offline
Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 2369
$poons: 3.20
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
I'm going to say maybe. I'm not sure I can be bothered EV'ing and breeding pokemon.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jesh
Status: Offline
Joined: 07 Feb 2010
Posts: 303
$poons: 50.80
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
If this happened, would it be over Wi-Fi or Shoddy Battle? Or Pokemon Online or whatever. XD
_________________
Now playing: Tales of Vesperia, Valkyria Chronicles 2 and Metroid Prime: Hunters.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Jesh wrote: | | If this happened, would it be over Wi-Fi or Shoddy Battle? Or Pokemon Online or whatever. XD |
Depends what sort of timeframe we give it. I don't think we should have one for a while simply for the fact that it's only been a month since B&W came out and people simply haven't started any competetive teams.
A simulator isn't a bad idea, though, but it's not as fun as the real thing. 
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sobriquet835
Status: Offline
Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 2369
$poons: 3.20
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
I hate the simulators, just putting it out there.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Macka
Status: Offline
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 1911
$poons: 405.40
Location: Sydney
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
We should definitely have one, just another month or two down the track. We should decide on a date now though, so people have something to work towards rather than rush a couple of days beforehand.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
plazma
Status: Offline
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 889
$poons: 41.20
Location: Victoria
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
I agree, but I'm not exactly sure where my Pokemon I've been training sit exactly. Is there a link to the tier list and what exactly are the restrictions?
_________________
"If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you."
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Currently banned from OU play:
| Smogon wrote: | Items
All items that increase Evasion (e.g. BrightPowder)
Moves
All moves that increase Evasion only (e.g. Minimize)
All instant OHKO moves (e.g. Horn Drill)
Abilities
Moody
Drizzle + Swift Swim on the same team
Species
Arceus
Blaziken
Darkrai
Deoxys-A
Deoxys
Dialga
Giratina
Giratina-O
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Kyogre
Lugia
Manaphy
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Shaymin-S
Zekrom |
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Macka
Status: Offline
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 1911
$poons: 405.40
Location: Sydney
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
If we follow that list, then the 'lesser' legendaries such as Zapdos and Latios would be fine to use. I don't know about you guys, but I don't like that idea. I think a general Legendary ban should apply. Wobbuffet should be banned too.
I think the rules should be as follows:
- Legendaries banned.
- Wobbuffet banned.
- Item Clause (no more than one of the same item per team).
- Sleep Clause (The use of a Sleep-Inducing move is banned IF your opponent already has one Pokemon asleep at that time. Does not apply when the opponent put his own Pokemon to sleep, such as when using rest, etc).
- 3 Pokemon team.
I think if we make it a three Pokemon team, more people will have the time to train up a team and be able to enter. I don't think it's necessary to ban evasion based moves, or swift-swim, but if everyone else does, ban them too.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Esposch
Status: Offline
Joined: 25 Sep 2009
Posts: 3858
$poons: 62.00
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Sleep clause is pretty crap. It lets you cripple the opposition merely by switching out. Plus, sleep moves are generally inaccurate to begin with.
And I don't like the idea of a 3 Pokemon team. It makes your party not diverse enough and really comes down to a competition of who has the counters for the other team's three.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fyuusii
Status: Offline
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Posts: 1103
$poons: 213.80
Location: Perth, WA
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Yeah, honestly those rules don't really seem entirely necessary and some of them are quite ambiguous (I often have debates with friends about what is classified as "legendary").
I mean, I'm not the kind of guy to roll six hax0red Mewtwos, but this is just silly.
_________________
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs... and they do not fear.
They cannot fear..." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Macka wrote: | If we follow that list, then the 'lesser' legendaries such as Zapdos and Latios would be fine to use. I don't know about you guys, but I don't like that idea. I think a general Legendary ban should apply. Wobbuffet should be banned too.
I think the rules should be as follows:
- Legendaries banned.
- Wobbuffet banned.
- Item Clause (no more than one of the same item per team).
- Sleep Clause (The use of a Sleep-Inducing move is banned IF your opponent already has one Pokemon asleep at that time. Does not apply when the opponent put his own Pokemon to sleep, such as when using rest, etc).
- 3 Pokemon team.
I think if we make it a three Pokemon team, more people will have the time to train up a team and be able to enter. I don't think it's necessary to ban evasion based moves, or swift-swim, but if everyone else does, ban them too. |
The reason Smogon has decided upon that list is because they have tested a WIDE range of Pokemon and found them not to be broken in the current metagame. They know what they're talking about, and I think the list should be followed.
I think banning "legendaries" is a bit of a blanket ban considering the current state of the metagame - Zapdos is much less viable in the current metagame, and although Latios is powerhouse in current metagame it can easily be stopped by a Pokemon like Ferrothorn. And defining legendaries is a bit of a difficult talk, too, considering the large number of legendaries in the games and their varying powers.
HOWEVER, in order to play a Flat Battle Wifi game, you cannot use the Pokemon listed on this page. Many of the Pokemon are banned in both lists, so it's not a big change.
Wobbuffet can, at best (as long as the player fighting the Wobbeffet is competent), eliminate one Pokemon or give a Pokemon one turn to set up. It's rarely used in the current metagame and is not even a threat any more. I don't think banning it is necessary.
Item cause is already in effect in Wifi battles, is it not?
Sleep clause is mandatory given that the sleep counter resets after a Pokemon switches out.
I'm not a big fan of the idea of 3v3, but given the only way to have a battle with even levels it must be set to Flat battle, which means that it is 3v3 and all Pokemon are set to level 50 (UNLESS THEY ARE BELOW LEVEL 50, IN WHICH CASE THEY REMAIN THE SAME LEVEL)
One of the more defining features of Wifi battles is that of team preview - at the beginning of the battle you are shown a preview of the opponents team (but not the movesets or stats), so it's fairly easy to play around the opponents team.
Just to make this clear: Unless we level our Pokemon to 100 (or are alright with versing Pokemon at a higher level than us/we agree on a level limit) we cannot have 6v6, and Flat Battle rules must apply.
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fyuusii
Status: Offline
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Posts: 1103
$poons: 213.80
Location: Perth, WA
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Why the hell is Blaziken lopped in with a bunch of legendaries too?
_________________
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs... and they do not fear.
They cannot fear..."
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Fyuusii wrote: | | Why the hell is Blaziken lopped in with a bunch of legendaries too? |
Because it got the ability Speed Boost, which made almost unstoppable after a few boosts. Process was: Protect (for speed Boost)/Swords Dance -> Sweep. With High Jump Kick getting boosted to 130 BP it was an incredibly tough Pokemon to stop after it had a Swords Dance or two and a Speed Boost or two.
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
plazma
Status: Offline
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 889
$poons: 41.20
Location: Victoria
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
I'm pretty sure in B/W it follows the same auto-level to 100 that existed in Diamond/Pearl over WiFi.
I thought that in B/W it also made them auto-level to 50 in such battles.
The item clause is for held items, so no team with all leftovers or the like.
_________________
"If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you."
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| plazma wrote: | I'm pretty sure in B/W it follows the same auto-level to 100 that existed in Diamond/Pearl over WiFi.
I thought that in B/W it also made them auto-level to 50 in such battles.
The item clause is for held items, so no team with all leftovers or the like. |
I'm almost certain that there is NO way in the entire game that you can auto-level to 100 (everyone has had issues finding the EV's of Pokemon).
There are two battle types available on Wifi:
No restriction: This is everything goes - literally. No restrictions on anything, including team number and level, as well as any Pokemon and items. However, there is no auto-levelling, so that is an issue.
Flat battle: 3 Pokemon per side, auto-levelled to 50. No items can be the same, there is a restriction on Pokemon.
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fyuusii
Status: Offline
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Posts: 1103
$poons: 213.80
Location: Perth, WA
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
I can state safely that the monster's level is only scaled to 50 when they are above 50, even though this wasn't the case in D/P.
_________________
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs... and they do not fear.
They cannot fear..."
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| Fyuusii wrote: | | I can state safely that the monster's level is only scaled to 50 when they are above 50, even though this wasn't the case in D/P. |
The really screwed over battling this generation, didn't they? I mean, having to level all Pokemon to 100 just to have a 6v6 is a total pain in the arse.
They can't patch it later on too, apparently, because the cards are read only or something(or so I read on Smogon).
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sobriquet835
Status: Offline
Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 2369
$poons: 3.20
Location: Melbourne
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
Maybe if we wait for the Global Link/ C-gear to be up, there will be better options for battles. We can only hope.
Anyway, I have an idea for a team now, so if we go ahead with this eventually, I will be in.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
M@TT_K
Status: Offline
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 549
$poons: 40.40
Location: Bowral, NSW
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
| sobriquet835 wrote: | Maybe if we wait for the Global Link/ C-gear to be up, there will be better options for battles. We can only hope.
Anyway, I have an idea for a team now, so if we go ahead with this eventually, I will be in. |
Global Link is the Dream World, which is just catching rare Pokemon, while the C-Gear only allows infa-red battles (admittedly, these are the only good battles in the game - 6v6 and auto levelled to 50).
We could all meet in person and C-Link battle! 
kidding
_________________
Play Asia Affiliation Link; click here for cake!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
charizard
Status: Offline
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Posts: 110
$poons: 8.40
|
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
|
|
Hmm, What is the go with this, surely by now you people (if you even slightly call yourself pokemon trainers) would have a sufficient team ready to go....lets rumble hitmonlee style
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
