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The only thing letting down the first film was the terrible dubbed voices (no idea why they did it like that) and the general poor acting. The concept is a pretty good one and is a good reverse on the usual horror flair, especially for the time. Besides, I like revenge films a lot.
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I don't get the deal with torture porn. The best horror movies I reckon have a sense of fun about them. Torture porn movies always seem, I don't know mean spirited. Like the only point to watching them is to enjoy people suffering.
Each to there own I guess.
Also if you want the worst of the worst as far as torture porn goes download a copy of A Serbian Film. (I doubt it will ever see a release here)
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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I like movies like Hostel and Saw (recent Hollywood examples) because the torture, specifically the methods used... and maybe because I'm desensitised to most violence after years and years of action movies? Also, I have issues. I mentioned that earlier. Dunno, it makes the movies more real (or more plausible) so it actually gets a reaction from me, which seems hard these days. Not many movies surprise me anymore.
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It's more... Revenge porn I guess.
Because the stuff that happens to the chick is absolutely revolting and could be construed as torture porn, but it's done so that you feel for the girl, and then when she decides to get her revenge, no matter what she does it just seems right.
Well, all except the bathtub scene, but anyway.
Also why does every film have to be about "enjoying" it (I realise how retarded that sounds so I'll continue). I find Requiem For A Dream to be an absolutely fascinating view on drugs and their effects on different people, but I wouldn't say it's an "enjoyable" film, it's incredibly confronting and often times leaves me drained after watching, but I still watch it every now and then because it's absolutely amazing.
ISOYG is similar, it's mainly amazing because it delved into concepts that, as far as I can tell, weren't really looked into at the time (1978 was its release date), the whole revenge thing and effectively having a killer on the loose wreaking havok that you were actually rooting for and wanting to win. A good comparison would be Irreversible, though I loved it for its technical aspects as well as the story and the twists and turns along the way.
Though this is all from the original, like I said I haven't watched the remake and given the state of horror films nowadays it likely won't live up to the original as much in the idea parts as it does in the gore parts.
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| theory wrote: | | and maybe because I'm desensitised to most violence after years and years of action movies? |
See it's not that I'm squeamish to the gore, I mean I love stuff like Feast etc. I also loved the first Saw movie, but not cause of the tortures used instead because it was a damm good movie. The second and third movies frustrated me, Number 2 was just a poor mans Cube, number 3 the tortures were confusing and unrealistic and took me out of the movie. (A guy can walk after tearing his achillies tendon? That girl froze solid in like 20 seconds? The dude is going to drown in pig fat despite the fact that you can see the drain he's lying on that it's all draining out of?) and didn't bother with the rest.
But Hostel was a shitty film, it had the torture yeah but that's all it had. (Didn't bother with number 2)
| Quote: | | Dunno, it makes the movies more real (or more plausible) so it actually gets a reaction from me, which seems hard these days. Not many movies surprise me anymore. |
See I guess I just prefer to be surprised by the ridiculousness of things (See: Feast 2 with it's midget lucha libre wrestlers getting killed all over the place.) rather then the horrific reality of it.
| Quote: | | Also why does every film have to be about "enjoying" it |
I agree with you there, not everything has to be about 'enjoying it' I agree with you on stuff like Requiem for a Dream, or Kids or something like that. But those movies tend to have a point. They're not just horribly confronting movies, they're really good movies as well. But most of the torture porn stuff I've seen is well... apart from the torture kind of shit. They're not saying anything except "Look at how much we can make this guy/chick suffer!"
Not every movie has to have a point, I watch more shitty stupid movies then most, but if I'm watching something that's absolutely pointless and vapid, I want it to be fun.
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Aha, see then I'd probably definitely say that ISOYG isn't torture porn. There is a very strong point to be made (again, only referencing the original for now).
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I might have to look into tracking down the original then.
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I think Hostel is making a really really strong point about human nature, also. So many people don't see that and think it's just gratuitous violence... definitely not the case, much deeper stuff going on there!
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Snowtown
I cant say too much because I'm under some unspecified embargo and I dont want to make anybody grumble, but what I can say is that I dont like most Australian films (as they too often fall back on forced "Aussie" tropes to be Australian), and wasn't sure how this would be handled (considering the subject nature), yet found myself still thinking about the amazing experience eight hours later.
Keep an eye on this one folks.
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I've watched the new I Spit on Your Grave.
What I like is that it's not in the same style as the typical crap that tries to make some sort of fun out of the torture and graphic scenes.
To me, there's a real point to it all and doesn't come close to anything porn.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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^ kind of boring all the way through... Just a bad uninteresting and unnecessary remake
(could be confused with new last house on the left though)
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edit; probably a bit harsh, post removed.
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I didn't know you had to be a scholar of Roger Ebert to post here...
The guy has an opinion, love it or lump it I say.
Watched Clerks for the first time in three years last night and it was much better than I recalled.
If you're unfamiliar Clerks is a low budget film that manages to capture your attention with some of the most vile topics imaginable as well as some well thought out topics of discussion. Basically, it's like a typical day at school/uni with your mates who you share all your intimate details with.
Personally, I really enjoyed the scene where Randall dressed Dante down for not being able to change his lifestyle and forever whinging about his problems. I truly sympathised with Randall's character as I feel as if I've had to deliver that monologue on a few occasions.
Good film, worth watching if there's nothing else on.
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you watched the cartoon? It's one of the weirder things that's ever existed. I mean it's a PG Saturday morning cartoon based off of... well Clerks.
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Only caught a few clips and I agree it makes for strange viewing.
Was it really a Saturday morning cartoon? Seems way too adult for that audience. Even when they're holding their punches back.
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^ If you read the history about it, it really got screwed over by Comedy Central. I've watched the full series on DVD, and whilst it's pretty much a Clerks spin-off, it's still pretty funny.
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Watched a couple movies yesterday, firstly I watched inception again, still love that film. I also watched memento which I hadn't seen in ages, such a well done film and I'd completely forgotten about the whole juxtaposition of the sammy conversation intertwined with the backwards narrative. Amazingly unique.
Finally I watched three colours blue which I also really enjoyed but more as a study of film as a mood rather than just being a movie. Binoche is incredible in it as always, that girl can do no wrong.
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| Big Pete wrote: |
Was it really a Saturday morning cartoon? Seems way too adult for that audience. Even when they're holding their punches back. |
I'm not sure if that's what it was intended as, but I used to watch it 6:00 saturday mornings when I was in like year 11 over the christmas hollidays since I usually hadn't gone to bed yet.
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Went and watched The Mechanic last night. Was OK, pretty typical Statham movie. It wasn't as good as Death Race 2000, but it's not his worst film, either.
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| Benza wrote: | | Big Pete wrote: |
Was it really a Saturday morning cartoon? Seems way too adult for that audience. Even when they're holding their punches back. |
I'm not sure if that's what it was intended as, but I used to watch it 6:00 saturday mornings when I was in like year 11 over the christmas hollidays since I usually hadn't gone to bed yet. |
What channel?
I mean, I can watch shows like Family Guy at that hour.
Still, having read a little into it definitely a weird concept. Then again, it was released around the time where adult animation shows were coming out in abundance (Mission Hill how I miss thee).
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Haha, man that was like 8 years ago. I have no idea. 7 maybe? Wasn't foxtell or anything since I never had it.
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Wow, well done Benza, you answered what I really wanted to know without being asked the question. Interesting decision by the commercial station, I'd theorise they were oblivious to the content of the show. Kind of like how Neon Genesis Evangelion could be found in kid sections at video stores back around 97-98.
Caught Lincoln Lawyer last night and for mine it's the first good film of 2011 (cool down guys, haven't seen Rango yet). There's nothing exactly unique about it but it's one of those films that does everything well, has some fun characters, unique settings and some very cool twists and turns all centred around a very enjoyable premise.
Definitely recommended.
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| Jarrod wrote: | Snowtown
I cant say too much because I'm under some unspecified embargo and I dont want to make anybody grumble, but what I can say is that I dont like most Australian films (as they too often fall back on forced "Aussie" tropes to be Australian), and wasn't sure how this would be handled (considering the subject nature), yet found myself still thinking about the amazing experience eight hours later.
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Wooow, I wasn't aware there was a movie based on this. Is it getting released at theatres or just to DVD?
This is one the more interesting crime cases and one I've watched several times on Crime Scene Australia etc. Definately keen to see the film.
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| ANDYBALLINA wrote: | Wooow, I wasn't aware there was a movie based on this. Is it getting released at theatres or just to DVD?
This is one the more interesting crime cases and one I've watched several times on Crime Scene Australia etc. Definately keen to see the film. |
Theatres on May 19th. Follows the character Jamie Vlassakis, who was one of the murderers. He met John Bunting, the instigater for the murders, when he was very young. It explores his life, his relationship with Bunting, as well as the killings.
Do go see it. It's gripping.
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| Jarrod wrote: | | ANDYBALLINA wrote: | Wooow, I wasn't aware there was a movie based on this. Is it getting released at theatres or just to DVD?
This is one the more interesting crime cases and one I've watched several times on Crime Scene Australia etc. Definately keen to see the film. |
Theatres on May 19th. Follows the character Jamie Vlassakis, who was one of the murderers. He met John Bunting, the instigater for the murders, when he was very young. It explores his life, his relationship with Bunting, as well as the killings.
Do go see it. It's gripping. |
Where'd you see the film out of curiosity?
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