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^ Lol, I have to agree on the laughing scene. I do like the game, but dear God, whenever I replay FFX, I make sure to mute my TV during that scene. At first I was like "uhm...", then it changed to "wtf!?" and it ended with "stfu!... plz?" No, the voice acting went a bit wrong there, just a little... *cough*
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| Benza wrote: | | Quote: | | .FFX is the best RPG to date. |
That's all I'm gunna say on that. |
What so one scene makes a game bad/not great? Sure the scene is weird as hell and makes you feel strange and slightly uncomfortable  But if you don't think the game is great for one stupid scene then I feel sorry for you 
The ending is my personal saddest game ending ever made.
There's also heartbreaking moments like seeing a mother holding her baby, two children playing with a blitzball only for Sin to come along and kill every one of them. Then you see the blitzball float past to remind you that children have just been killed.
Another personal favourite moment is when it is revealed to Tidus that the woman he loves and who he has been constantly telling her all the stuff she can do after beating Sin, will be killed and won't be able to do all those things.Then there's him beating on Valefore's chest and she just stands there looking down on her like she's thinkin "let all your anger and sadness out."
Then there's Yuna at the very end whistling out to sea because of Tidus telling her that if they ever get separated, she just has to whistle and he will come.
Then there's the brilliant music.Ramstein's awesome music as Sin is coming to destroy the blitzball stadium and everyone and everything around it.
Then the the music after the Crusaders try to defeat Sin.The music is sad bust also beautiful and calming.
The music in the desert is imo perfect for the location.I almost feel like I'm actually in a boiling desert when that music is playing.
The music when you get to the Zanarkand ruins is also a little sad while also being rather upbeat.
The sphere grid is my favourite way of leveling up in the FF's and blitzball is the greatest side-mission/bonus game in a FF.
The battle system is also my favourite battle system of all the FF's.
The turn bar which shows the next 8 or so turns allowing for some strategy/tactics.
Aeons being controlled just like the standard characters.
Specific hero's best used agains specific enemies like Wakka against flyers.
Now I may have not beat FFIX but I did get up to just before the last boss of the game I think (I think it was the death tree or wahtever the tree is), up to that point, while a great game, couldn't come close to the awesomness of FFX.
| Xernova wrote: | | ^ Lol, I have to agree on the laughing scene. I do like the game, but dear God, whenever I replay FFX, I make sure to mute my TV during that scene. At first I was like "uhm...", then it changed to "wtf!?" and it ended with "stfu!... plz?" No, the voice acting went a bit wrong there, just a little... *cough* |
I can JUST handle the scene enough to not mute it
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| Gamesta wrote: |
What so one scene makes a game bad/not great? Sure the scene is weird as hell and makes you feel strange and slightly uncomfortable But if you don't think the game is great for one stupid scene then I feel sorry for you |
No it was just an example
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The ending is my personal saddest game ending ever made.
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It's the exact same ending as Terranigma
| spoilers wrote: | | World creates hero to defeat evil, hero falls in love, evil is defeated meaning there's no use for the hero, hero ceases to exist/dies, leaving love interst missing him possible pregenant |
| spoilers wrote: | | The charecters equivilent of Navi from Ocarina of Time who also serves as your inventory ends up trying to kill you |
And I get that a lot of people haven't played Terranigma and that's a shame cause it's a fucking amazing game on the SNES. But playing through the end of FF 10 all I could think of was "What the fuck? I've seen this end before!"
Overall though, it's the charecters that always do it for me. RPG's live and die by there charecters. I mean when it comes down to it the overall plot of pretty much every FF game is fucking identical. But I fucking loved the cast from 9, Everyone with the exception of Dagger who can die in a fucking fire was awesome. (I DONT GIVE A SHIT IF YOUR HOME TOWN JUST DIED! CAST THE FUCKING HEAL BITCH!) Freya still stands out as my faviourte Final Fantasy charecter from any game. I also much prefer the more cartoony art style in 9 and the crystal chronicals games (god damm them for changing it in the Wii one) then the semi-realistic/anime style of 8 and the PS2 games on.
In 10, the only charecter I really gave a shit about was Tidus and Lulu, It's not that the other charecters were bad (Well maybe Rikku), but Khimari and Wakka and shit... man I just didn't care what happend to them. They were complete non entities to me, hell I'm struggling here to actually remember the cast of the game.
I feel it also suffers from being the first FF game on the PS2, they were really ambitious with it but didn't really have the skills to pull it off. Everything has this weird jitteryness to it that just irks me, the voice acting is hit or miss, sometimes it's great... othertimes you get stuff like the laughing. The dialouge always feels awkward in how they specifically wrote the game so they never say Tidus's name. And overall the world just seemed dumb. (hey here's an idea, stop making all your fucking towns costal if a giant sea monster keeps destroying them!)
That and well... I really hate that laughing scene.
But overall it's just a subjective thing. But man 10 wouldn't even make it onto my list of top 10 RPGS. Let alone best RPG of all time.
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Oh I'll give you the battle system though, 9's battle system was fucking horrible. I can't count the amount of times I'd be saving up trance for the final boss, then run into a random battle like 2 steps before it that uses up the trance. And the amount of random battles was agrivating as fuck.
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I always thought the laughing scene in FFX was supposed to be stilted and awkward, you know, that laugh that people use when they've let something slip they shouldn't have, something like that. I quite enjoyed FFX and FFX-2, they're not my favourites in the series (Still belongs to 9 and 6), but there's ones I dislike more (12).
Also, Benza, must you swear in every sentence? It's getting kinda tiring.
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| Quote: | | I quite enjoyed FFX and FFX-2, they're not my favourites in the series (Still belongs to 9 and 6 |
Man I never got what the big deal with 6 was? The game felt really unfocused to me like it didn't really know were it was going. I think the lack of a specific main charecter really hurt it in the long run. Or it might be just that it didn't hold up well (I played it for the first time after I'd allready done 7-10)
Though I did find myself really enjoying 5, the plot was basically non existent (I honestly can't even remember what happend in it) but I loved the job system.
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| Benza wrote: |
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The ending is my personal saddest game ending ever made.
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Well I've never played that game (never even heard of it till this thread) so it doesn't lessen the ending to FFX like it must have for you.
Anyway an old SNES ending with sprites and no voices can't be as emotionally powerful as a game with facial expressions and voices can it?
| Quote: | I also much prefer the more cartoony art style in 9 and the crystal chronicals games (god damm them for changing it in the Wii one) then the semi-realistic/anime style of 8 and the PS2 games on.
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Another place our tastes differ. I much prefer the realistic graphics of FFVIII, X and later FF's.
Though that could be due to my first FF being FFVIII (think it was the 2nd RPG I ever properly played, following Mystic Quest) which is actually my 2nd favourite FF
[quote](hey here's an idea, stop making all your **** towns costal if a giant sea monster keeps destroying them!) [quote]
never thought of that.
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Heh, I never noticed how similar FFX and Terranigma's endings are, but you're right. You can even take it a step further and add FFX-2 to the comparison;
| --FFX/FFX-2 & Terranigma SPOILERS-- wrote: | | In FFX-2, depending on your ending, Tidus might come back (which was already implied at the end of FFX when he swims up in the water). Iirc, Terranigma ends with MC having a dream of being a bird (which is when the credits roll?), then the birds flies down into a forrest. Ellie, who happens to be living in a forest, hears someone knocking on the door. When she opens the door to see who it is, the game ends without revealing who the person at the door was. I thought this whole scene was implying that MC might have returned to her (or maybe the bird was at the door). |
| Gamesta wrote: | | Anyway an old SNES ending with sprites and no voices can't be as emotionally powerful as a game with facial expressions and voices can it? |
Oww... completely disagreed. Xenogears also uses old-fashioned small character sprites and has very little voice acting (only in the anime cutscenes, and the English dub isn't that great). It's still the most emotionally powerful game for me. I think it's perfectly possible to make an emotional story without those more advanced elements the older games didn't have yet.
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The laughing scene was a tiny short segment in an another wise glorious JRPG.
2 things about the laughing scene:
1st ever JRPG with that level of animation + voice acting
ps2 era
They were both (yuna/tidus) meant to be uncomfortable in their roles/relationship so it was all somewhat awkward.
FFX had a compeeling universe, great FF combat, great villian. FFX-2 was cheese but the combat mechanics were great. The cast also was one of the best Square has made in a while. Yuna/Bakka/Luna/Tidus/Aeuron/Kintari. (been a while so I might the names wrong).
great looking summons too
FFX FFX-2 FFXII were all better games than FF13.
Only when Square releases a proper FF Jrpg (15) if they still can.... then you'll all see just how bad 13 is.
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| Benza wrote: | | Quote: | | I quite enjoyed FFX and FFX-2, they're not my favourites in the series (Still belongs to 9 and 6 |
Man I never got what the big deal with 6 was? The game felt really unfocused to me like it didn't really know were it was going. I think the lack of a specific main charecter really hurt it in the long run. Or it might be just that it didn't hold up well (I played it for the first time after I'd allready done 7-10)
Though I did find myself really enjoying 5, the plot was basically non existent (I honestly can't even remember what happend in it) but I loved the job system. |
if you can't appreciate FFVI and kefka
who is the progenitor of all classic FF villians and the best one to date, I'll consider your opinion null and void. Fact remains, he was the original one winged angel and he had that mad laugh. Awesome sprite art too
KEFKA > *
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| Quote: | | Anyway an old SNES ending with sprites and no voices can't be as emotionally powerful as a game with facial expressions and voices can it? |
That's like saying a book can't be as emotionaly effective as a movie or tv series.
It's all about how it's written and how much you connect with the charecters. If it's written well enough, your imagination fills in whatever is lacking.
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| Benza wrote: | | If it's written well enough, your imagination fills in whatever is lacking. |
Meh I'm not much of an imaginative person.I mostly need visuals to have an imagination.Unless it's dirty thoughts, then I'm very imginative
Emotional imagination for me mostly needs facial expressions, voices and/or body language.
Besides I don't read so I don't need an imagination for reading.
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| Benza wrote: | | Quote: | | Anyway an old SNES ending with sprites and no voices can't be as emotionally powerful as a game with facial expressions and voices can it? |
That's like saying a book can't be as emotionaly effective as a movie or tv series.
It's all about how it's written and how much you connect with the charecters. If it's written well enough, your imagination fills in whatever is lacking. |
Agreed. The most heartstring pulling game I've ever played was MOTHER 3.
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Most disappointing game experience for me was Monster Hunter Tri for Wii. To be honest I was hoping for a really addictive gameplay and I was treated to poor loading screen times, combat which was laughable and it did seem to me you had to want to be doing a lot of grinding work to progress.
Think my expectations may have needed fine tuning before beginning but it was a big disappointment given the hype around the whole Monster Hunter series.
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Most disappointing game of the year? Mafia 2. So cliché, mindlessly violent, confused character development and a lackluster story made this the biggest flop (that I played) in 2010.
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| grim-one wrote: | | renegadesx wrote: | The First Person Shooter:
The death of quality and lengthy campaigns. I only learned how bad things have really gotten when the Medal of Honour campaign didn't even last 5 hours. Black Ops & Goldeneye were not a whole lot better. |
How about these?
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
Bioshock 2
Metro 2033
Halo Reach
Red Steel 2
Fallout New Vegas (you could play it as a shooter) |
Found Metro 2033 a bit too scary to play lol
I still have it installed.. but it's just too much scariness for my poor little brain 
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Hey guys remember me?
The videos looked so promising  I didn't even buy this game when it was released. I know reviewers are too soft these days, so when I saw this game getting 2.5's and 4.00's I kinda knew the game was...balls.
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The reason that's not on the list is that it never looked promising to begin with. The game looked tacky as Hell, relying on the whole HURR JUXTAPOSITION OF CUTE WITH VIOLENCE DURR to get it through, and little else. Was not surprised when it bombed.
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | The reason that's not on the list is that it never looked promising to begin with. |
I don't recall this, I thought it looked like a game with decent gameplay and an amusing theme. Anyway I'm glad its not on PALGNs list, I reckon the reason this wasn't so disappointing was because it was a new IP. Its not like a triple-A developer making a brilliant game then went on to make a crap sequel.
But yeah I still thought the game would of been atleast a fun, but forgettable title. Maybe a 6-7/10. Definitely not 2-4/10.
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| IISpacebreakII wrote: | | I don't recall this... |
Eh. You say 'Potato', I say 'that game looks like it'll be dull and shitty' 
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| IISpacebreakII wrote: | | Karai Pantsu wrote: | | The reason that's not on the list is that it never looked promising to begin with. |
I don't recall this, I thought it looked like a game with decent gameplay and an amusing theme. |
I'm with you, I thought it looked like it would be a fun game, not a brilliant GOTY or anything but fun.
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| Benza wrote: | | IISpacebreakII wrote: | | Karai Pantsu wrote: | | The reason that's not on the list is that it never looked promising to begin with. |
I don't recall this, I thought it looked like a game with decent gameplay and an amusing theme. |
I'm with you, I thought it looked like it would be a fun game, not a brilliant GOTY or anything but fun. |
I don't recall any of the trailers showing much of the game itself. It was all look how cute this is, oh no wait, that bears brutally murdering another... and another and another...
The theme definitely was amusing though.
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I always found people missed the point of the laughing scene in that it was supposed to be forced and awkward - hence the characters reaction. Bad writing? Perhaps, but I always felt the scene was taken out of context by critics to appear worse than what it is.
With that said, I wouldn't even call FFX the best FF game let alone the best RPG of all time. Sure gameplay wise it was quite strong, plenty to do, well designed and the music was on par with any in the series but as I believe Benza pointed out the game does seem a little choppy at times, not to mention in regards to story and characters it really is a shallow game.
Back to FFXIII, it was a solid game but it definitely didn't live up to the hype, with that said I would've put FFXIV ahead of it.
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| Big Pete wrote: | | I always found people missed the point of the laughing scene in that it was supposed to be forced and awkward - hence the characters reaction. Bad writing? Perhaps, but I always felt the scene was taken out of context by critics to appear worse than what it is. |
See no I got that, it's suposed to be awkward and forced.
But it doesn't come off as awkward and forced, it comes off as terrifying and monsters are inhabiting there bodies and don't really understand the nuances of human interaction and are trying to laugh.
It's like when arnie smiles in Terminator 2.
It's just... wrong.
On Naughty Bear, even ignoring the fact that there bears, I thought it was just a cool idea to have a game we're your basically teh slasher from all those 80's slasher moviers.
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