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| Rock Band 3 Review by Adam |  | | PALGN Review: Pure pronage. | | [View Article] |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: |
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As keen as I am to check out pro mode, I honestly can't justify the expense of a plastic strat when you can walk into any music store and pick up a Squier and a basic amp at a cheaper price.
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Don't care too much for the "Pro" mode, or the new plastic instruments to be honest. What I am interested in is if by finally getting a new iteration of Rock Band, does that mean we finally get access to the Rock Band Network? There are a ton of songs on there from bands I love that I would pay top dollar to get.
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Seems an odd review if it doesn't take the pro mode into account. A lot of the experience for many people will be based around this mode. At the very least, it's an area the developers have put a lot of work into so it's a huge oversight for the score. A bit like trying Modern Warefare and not the online mode.
Kim, early next year you will be able to get a real Feder Strat guitar for Rock band 3: one that works without the game, one that isn't plastic, and one that has a comparable price point to the real thing. It just has some kind of dongle that plugs into it to make the game recognise it.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Moonhead - yes Rock Band network is there. A couple of tasty Flight of the Conchord songs which as always fun to play.
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I haven't noticed any slowdown at all on the 360 version.
Additionally, as far as price goes - import the Keyboard from the US. Amazon ship internationally. I paid about $105 AUD for it, couriered.
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My quick browsing of Squier prices indicates that it'll be twice as expensive as a normal Squier. But I'll still be getting one.
I also need to ask, Mr Reviewer: did you play it with a group of people? The multiplayer interface is vastly streamlined and flexible.
Still, solid PALGN style score. Unless you're willing to pay for the revolution, it's only a strong evolution.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| JP2daMC wrote: | | Moonhead - yes Rock Band network is there. A couple of tasty Flight of the Conchord songs which as always fun to play. |
Wait, we have RBN for real now - not just the selected songs which are packaged up and released to PS3 and sometimes Wii? I was under the impression that it's tied to the XNA Creator Club, which we don't have here. If it's true that we do have the proper RBN now, that's just thrown my plans to get a PS3 completely out 
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| GooberMan wrote: | | I also need to ask, Mr Reviewer: did you play it with a group of people? The multiplayer interface is vastly streamlined and flexible. |
I agree. I didn't talk much about multiplayer as the experience itself hasn't changed much, just the way in which you interact with it through the goals/careers/challenges, etc. It's a streamlined game, but unless you're very rich, or very dedicated, I feel most people won't get the most out of it.
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This review is strange and essentially pointless. The two new features of Rock Band 3 are the keyboard, and the Pro mode. Neither are elaborated on. In essence, this means that you're really reviewing Rock Band 2's features, with the exception of the revamped World Tour mode.
In other words, without having used the keyboard OR Pro mode there's not really any point in even having a review - those are the parts people want to know about, and are significant changes to the experience.
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The experience of multiplayer is actually very different; at least that's what I have found and two of my friends who own it. These improvements were made across the entire workings of multiplayer and form the key changes to this over the last game. Skipping over them seems to miss the point about how most people play this game and what a lot of us wanted in this sequel.
Just to comment broadly on Adam's last statement above, why would anyone buy any game if they weren't going to get the most out of it? Ok fair enough not everyone will want the pro stuff, but you don't review a PC game and give it a lesser score because it requires a $3000 PC to run at its full potential, or you don't give Fallout a lower score because not everyone will want to be dedicated and finish all the side quests or buy all the DLC and may only choose to enjoy the main stuff.
A review shouldn't discount the potential of the game based on their personal thoughts about how "rich" or "dedicated" you have to be to play it. People buying the game already know these things. Sure, it's worth a mention, but it shouldn't be the basis of why you gave a particular score, especially if you haven't tested a good proportion of the game's potential.
Jedi - no actually we just get that streamlined RBN that you're talking about. sorry I misunderstood. I don't know if there are plans to make the Xbox version for the PS3, but I doubt it.
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| JP2daMC wrote: | | Jedi - no actually we just get that streamlined RBN that you're talking about. sorry I misunderstood. I don't know if there are plans to make the Xbox version for the PS3, but I doubt it. |
As far as I know there aren't any plans to extend the full RBN to PS3 and Wii, because of how the online systems for each of them work. I'm curious about one thing, since we don't get the proper 360 RBN in Australia, does the streamlined RBN content get released to 360 as well as PS3 here?
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no it doesn't that i know of
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Sounds like 360 owners get pretty gypped here then although I guess you can always make a US/UK account and buy the songs that way.
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I think Adams review takes more into consideration then most other reviews. If Palgn cannot provide a proper review on it based on the games price tag, than that is a strong indication of what to expect among the population too. I purely cannot afford to fork out the amount I almost would on a console to enjoy a single game the way it was intended. Besides Adam did state that the review didn't take the Pro mode/Multiplayer into consideration, so people will be judging that score based solely off the single player experience and would still consider it to be a solid attempt.
Besides, Game developers aren't supposed to make it this hard to enjoy the experience. This kind of game almost belongs in an Arcade.
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| IISpacebreakII wrote: | I think Adams review takes more into consideration then most other reviews. If Palgn cannot provide a proper review on it based on the games price tag, than that is a strong indication of what to expect among the population too. I purely cannot afford to fork out the amount I almost would on a console to enjoy a single game the way it was intended. Besides Adam did state that the review didn't take the Pro mode/Multiplayer into consideration, so people will be judging that score based solely off the single player experience and would still consider it to be a solid attempt.
Besides, Game developers aren't supposed to make it this hard to enjoy the experience. This kind of game almost belongs in an Arcade. |
Thank you Spacebreak II. Adam did the best he could considering that the life of a PALGN writer isn't about fast cars, bling bling $$ or babes...we don't make a profit, we are but modest and passionate writers who give the best coverage possible, given our extremely limited budget and that we don't have the same access to content as say..IGN or Gamespot.
Hell, I live on fish fingers and go on forums to ask for 48 hr XBL trials just to get a review done...
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We are all free to our opinions, but a review that doesn't take into account the two major features of the game is not a particularly useful one in my opinion. And just because you can't afford or don't want the game has to offer, doesn't make the game bad. I don't want multipayer in Modern Warefare 2, or I can't afford broadband, doesn't mean it's worth a lower score.
J - that only further justifies why this review is rather pointless. A reviewer's income is not my concern. Can't afford the features that make it what it is? Well don't review it. I can't afford a personal jet either, but I can see its potential.
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Well I think SpaceBreak II sums it up nicely as to why the review isn't 'pointless'. Basically, it's more relatable and relevant to consumers.
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Unemployed consumers who don't use their games properly?
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I think it's 'pointless' arguing with you, you're clearly missing the point SpaceBreak and I are trying to make.
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| JP2daMC wrote: | | Unemployed consumers who don't use their games properly? |
Oh come on. Not everyone is going to purchase pro mode instruments. Personally I don't plan to. I've still got RB3 sitting on my coffee table waiting to be played.
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I never once said they will. I merely said there is a potential to play in a new way that was not tested by the review.
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So Jahanzeb, you would say it would be fair to give GT5 upon its release a lower score if the reviewer could not afford a decent wheel to play it with?
If the game is good and offers many different options you should give it the score it deserves. You can then put in your "opinion" on the overall cost in the notes afterwards... cost is not something to rate on.
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All im saying is to stop giving Adam crap over this, did any of you even read the 2nd paragraph?
| Quote: | The biggest addition to the series is one we unfortunately can't review. Rock Band 3 brings a new 'pro mode' to the table which is perhaps the most revolutionary aspect as it takes your interaction with the plastic instrument knock-offs to a whole other level. We do not have access to the new 'pro' controllers, nor the wireless keyboard peripheral that has been added to the game's repertoire of instruments, nor even the MIDI converter which allows you to plug in a MIDI-capable keyboard or guitar into the game and has not yet been released in Australia. These are all expensive additions, with the keyboard rocking in currently at AU $138, the wireless Pro Fender Mustang guitar at US $150, and the Squier Fender Stratocaster guitar at US $280, expected to be released in March next year. The question you may be asking is, why would you pay so much for these devices?
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| JP2daMC wrote: | | Unemployed consumers who don't use their games properly? |
Thats a petty comment to make, not everyone, even those people that have more than enough money are going to be willing to spend the amount EA are asking for people to enjoy this games "pro mode".
Adams review is pretty good as its one of the few that speaks about the single player, the track list, interface etc. while everyone else online is talking about pro mode and guitars/pianos. If I'm going to spend this much then I'll definitely read more than 1 review online, and Adams is imo more important than any other review I've read because it tells me that the actual game itself is still pretty decent.
Devonuto, JP2 this is different. This is a series along with Guitar Hero that established itself as an easy way to play without going over the top with instruments. Crysis has always been a high end series, its not alienating its own fanbase. Devonuto, I don't know any car game thats been reviewed where the reviewer takes a wheel into consideration. I can almost guarantee you GT5 will be majorly reviewed by people using a normal controller.
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