Silent Hill 2 film moving ahead

[Adam]

Silent Hill 2 film moving ahead by Adam

PALGN News: Contrary to the title, it's based on Silent Hill 3.

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[Sin Ogaris]

Yeah , makes a lot more sense having it follow SH3. Which I thought was freaking fantastic personally.

Just so long as they don't put in the random fan service like the first one (I'm looking at you Pyramid Head) which actually makes no sense in the main storyline (hot nurses shouldn't really be there either).

I also hope they delve into the "is it real or isn't it" aspect of the series.

[Adam]

^They're making it 3D and you don't think Pyramid Head is going to be inserted in there for the sole purpose of waving his knife at the audience?
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[Sin Ogaris]

Sorry, I skimmed the article and didn't see the 3D part.

Bit of a shame really. Although those really lanky demon thingies could work really well in 3D. As an aside I really need to get around to playing the first game, only played 2 and 3 and have had the first sitting around for ages.

[dendog2010]

man i saw the 3d res evil hope they make it like that
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[Fyuusii]

Pyramid Head was fine; he was nowhere near as terrible as Nemesis or the Executioner were made in the various RE movies...
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[Sin Ogaris]

Pyramid Head had a very, very specific role in Silent Hill 2, that role doesn't carry into the main storyline whatsoever. Which pretty much explains why they didn't try and explain his presence in the first film because they couldn't really justify it.

It also means that they probably won't delve into what I suggested above because then a lot of it wouldn't make a lick of sense.

Don't get me wrong though, I actually really enjoyed the first film, I just thought there were a couple of annoying "fan service" additions that actually were a detriment to the main theme of the games.

[redemption]

Pyramid Head could actually look pretty cool in 3D, the Closers as well. And Silent Hill 3 did have its own icon character in Valtiel.
Thinking back on the Ganz/Avery Silent Hill game, i don't know what to make of it. It really seemed to have the tone/atmosphere down pat. But the story didn't know where it was going, and they seemed to try and put in game style obstacle's into the game that just felt weird. If they can get the story done right, and add some tension to the story, i'm in. Actually, i'm a silent hill fan, i'm in either way. Just hope it gets done 'right'
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[stick_theory]

At first, Silent Hill was always just that bit TOO bizarre for me but as I got older I appreciated it a lot more. I enjoyed the balance the first movie employed and look forward to this =]
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[rodvcpetrie]

There are only two things that concern me with this:

1. The fact that its in 3D

3D for nearly every single movie coming out soon is getting ridiculous. It's as if film studios are afraid to release a movie now if it isn't 3D.

But that's a whole new forum topic.

2. Harry Mason

Since he wasn't in the first film, what point of reference are they going to use in this movie other than the fact that he's gone missing and Heather is looking for him?

There is a lot of information and backstory to try and put into this movie. Heather's existence is related to what Harry went through in the first game.

My guess is that it will be a truncated version of the first Silent Hill game mixed with Silent Hill 3.

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[Sin Ogaris]

I completely forgot about the Harry thing. I guess it could still work, it just obviously won't have as strong ties to the first film as the third game to the first.

I wonder if they'll use all the Jacob's Ladder stuff in the film or not. That was some of the creepiest stuff in the game, all the head shaking and weird noises and stuff.

They also need to incorporate more sole characters in this one to help flesh out the story of the town itself and what it does to people. It's all about pain and suffering, which the first film really didn't give a good impression of. It also needs to deal with more adult themes, it's a little weak comparing the games to the film and realising that they deal with a Hell of a lot darker subject matter. Kinda pathetic really.

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if you've played and love the game that is i guess...

[Benza]

The Silent Hill film was fine as long as you take it to be a different continuity to the games.

Yeah Pyramid Head had a specific purpose in the game, this isn't the game though so he has a differnt purpose.

Just look at it the same as comic book films compared to the actual comics.
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[Sin Ogaris]

[Benza]

What role did any of the monsters have in tying into the charecters struggle? Admiteddly I haven't seen the movie since I saw it at the cinema so my memory is a little foggy, but I don't remember any of the monsters being tied into whats her faces backstory.

You just have to accept that this isn't the game. The rules from the game don't carry over, the story of the game doesn't follow over. It's it's own story in it's own continuity. Yeah they could have thrown any monster into his place and it would have worked exactly the same, but it worked exactly as it was anyway. He didn't add anything to the movie but he didn't detract anything from the movie either? So why not? It's the same as bitching that they made Peter Parkers proffesor Curt Connors in Spiderman 2. It doesn't really add anything to the movie but it doesn't make it worse either.

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From everything else I've read on other sites it's going to be shot entirley in 3D not post production so that's deffintley a plus.
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[Sin Ogaris]

The majority of the monsters aren't an issue, Hell, if the games are anything to go by the generic monsters could very well just be regular people that the protagonist is envisaging as monsters. Pyramid Head, however, was a manifestation of James' inability to save his wife. It's purpose was to kill Maria, to show to him that his wife is truly gone and that no matter what he does, he can't have her back. That has no bearing on the story of Rose and her daughter, she hasn't "lost" Sharon. She wasn't the cause of Sharon's disappearance, PH has absolutely no reason to be in the film... it's fan service plain and simple, and it bugs me (if it wanted to stand on its own two feet it wouldn't need such things littering the film).

That's why it was specific to his struggle as with all the Silent Hill entities, they're specific to the character that's seeing them. It's why NPC's don't see the same Silent Hill as the Protagonist sees. See, I would have had absolutely no issue if they had just had some other random enemy hunting Rose down, none whatsoever, the fact that they used a character which was taken from (arguably) the best Silent Hill game made just screamed "I want fans to watch this". Completely unnecessary.

While I understand the film is doing it's own thing it'd be really nice if they could at least get the basic premise of the game right in regards to the film (it's not like it would affect the storytelling of the films), it really isn't a huge detriment. I guess I just want the same sort of thought provoking developments from the films as one gets from the games.

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[Sin Ogaris]

It isn't stupid at all, it shows that the film director/writers didn't understand the ideas behind the original subject matter, which then means that subsequent instalments will suffer the same faults.

It's hard to imagine the sequel moving into darker territory if the original film makers couldn't grasp what said territory was. This is strengthened by the fact that they're busting out Harry Mason's name when really they should just be going with Sharon's father instead. It would tie the films together.

Also I'm not tying it to the rules of Silent Hill 2, I'm tying it to the rules of Silent Hill, a series which (for better or worse) has spanned 6 games, and a remake. The same principles apply throughout. Taking the mythos surrounding the manifestations out of the Silent Hill story would be like if the Resident Evil films made no mention of Umbrella and just had zombies, "because". It's the underlying foundation.

Plus you say it isn't Silent Hill 2, if they didn't want people associating the film with Silent Hill 2 they wouldn't have included a character exclusive to said instalment. Which goes back to my original point the ONLY reason he was there, was to draw in fans (which would have seen it regardless, mind you), and not to benefit the story in any way.

Using Pyramid Head is a reason to question the validity of the writers of the film and allows people concern because it lays a precedent that it's unlikely the deeper meanings are going to be delved into in the sequel and as a result, again, we're going to get a sub par rendition of a World that is rich with story and mythology.

[Adam]

^From what I recall from reading interviews with Gans/Avery, Pyramid Head's presence in the film is explainable, but totally different to Silent Hill 2.

Alessa is the one doing the conjuring/manifestations in the Silent Hill film - and in the case of the film (not the games), that means that the residents of Silent Hill (except for those in the witch cult) were literally transformed into the monsters to make them suffer eternally. Hence creatures like the janitor, and the human roaches. Pyramid Head is conjured to provide a masculine father protector figure that Alessa never had, as well as torturing Pyramid Head with his no doubt painful helmet. (I don't have sources for this stuff, just remember it from various bits and pieces)

I don't like this approach as much as the games, but that's the way the film is operating. No idea if the sequel will follow suit or they'll try to reboot some aspects, or make it even dumber.

Edit: Also, PH's appearance to Alex, and the painting of him in the Old Silent Hill museum tend to imply that his form is not exclusive to James, only his role (manifestation of his guilt for murder, also why there are two of him by the end of SH2 since James has killed twice).
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[Sin Ogaris]

It's Alessa controlling everything in the games too, it's her pain manifested through the town onto others.

I can kind of understand that imagining of PH, however the thing that then doesn't make sense is Alessa doesn't WANT to be burned alive, so theoretically PH should be hounding Christabella given the pain she intends to cause upon Alessa (Rose while not specificially trying to save her, is a much better candidate for her safety). Which then just irritates me again.

[Adam]

PH was rounding up anyone outside the church (which is a no-go area in the film) and skewering them, except for Dahlia, since everyone should be a cult member. Alessa probably didn't pay Rose much mind until she reached her room in the hospital. Otherwise, why would everything be trying to kill her?

The original ending for the film saw several PH's manifest inside the church after Rose spills her blood, wreaking havoc. For budgetary reasons, they decided to go with Alessa in the Mary-monster-callback form.
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[Sin Ogaris]

Aha, ok I forgot about that bit. Thanks for reminding me. It now makes sense to me.