Starcraft 2

[Kurupt]

lol, was in a 2v2 game, pp v tt, and my team mate left right as we both expanded at about 15 minutes. So it was now 2 v 1, except I was basically 4 basing. So I went 10 gate, 4 robo and 2 star, got 200/200 ( and probably 75 of my team mates zeals) by 25 minutes then steam rolled them.

[Agent 042]

looks like blizzard is trying out a steam method- free weekend from 19-21/11.
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[Kurupt]

So, been playing as Zerg lately. Enjoying it immensely. Just been doing it in 3v3's, as i don't think I'm good enough for 1 or 2. Just after a few tips from those pro Zerg players.

So far I've got a few of build orders. The first is 9 overlord, 10 extractor, 12/13 pool. This build order I've found is pretty strong in the midgame, it's just slow at the start, especially if I'm against other Zerg.

The second is 8 pool, then pump lings once my queen is done. I found this really good for start of the game, but it's a bit slow transitioning to midgame.

Then of course there's the 6pool.

[grim-one]

[Kurupt]

That seems a bit a late to me. I've found when I do 11-13 pool, my first lings are popping out right when their first zeal is. And basically everything needs a spawning pool, so everything is that little bit later.

Also, really missing chrono boost. Whenever i think that tech is done, it's only half way.

[hotmustardsauce]

^It depends on the map as well. Zergs should generally exclude maps with short rush distances ,e.g. Steppes of War unless you are crazy aggressive, such that you can go for a more macro game.

Basically go early pool if the distance to your opponents base is short but otherwise 14 pool is standard. Scout earlier (9-10) to see if they are going for early aggression, e.g. double gateway and chuck down an early pool if they are.

[grim-one]

Zerg doesn't generally play very offensively against T or P early on, due to wall offs. You only need to get just enough lings to hold off an attack as it happens. You're way better off getting a good start on macro than building dozens of lings that just sit there, waiting.

If you want early pressure though, Myles/Frogs tells me a 7 roach rush is great against Protoss

10 extractor-trick to 11
11 overlord
11 spawning pool
15 extractor
16 queen (stop drones here)
18 overlord
18 roach warren
17 overlord (yes, two)
spawn-larva on queen when she pops
roach x7

Source: nifty genetic build tester
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[Kurupt]

Yeah, I read that. But I'm more after solid play styles, then just cheese.

Will have a few games tonight with a 14 pool and just getting 10 or lings.

Also, when's a good time to expand? I know I should be doing it before everyone else, but there's not a lot of opportunity early unless I skip something.

[grim-one]

None of them are 'cheese', just very different openings. None of them are all in either, they all lead to a decent economy.

A good time to expand? As soon as you have 300 minerals spare. Generally you'll run out of larvae while minerals skyrocket. Pressuring your opponent while you expand is always good too.
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[grim-one]

I have to say, after playing a few 1v1 games against Protoss now, that 7 roach rush is awesome. Cheers Myles for the tip

Funniest game I've had so far with it - P has a nice little wall off with 2x zealots, 1x stalker, 1x sentry sitting behind it. Roaches run up and kill his only pylon which is in the wall, powering down the gateways! Zerglings wouldn't have touched the wall at all, but roaches just bulldozed it =D
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[Sin Ogaris]

I tend to go for a lair immediately after my first queen, after the lair is done I'm generally in a good position to expand. That's my system anyway.

[hotmustardsauce]

anyone else watch the GSL grand finals fake boxer vs Nestea?

Crazily good. GSL seems to be so much more entertaining than MLG

[Kurupt]

[hotmustardsauce]

you can watch game 1 for free here:
http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/vod/1274

you have to pay for the rest which sucks. Watching it live is free though.

[ShortRaver]

I'm really finding the latest round of maps in 2v2 very frustrating to play with due to the distant expansion points. In most cases I'm going for an early secure of them just to lock down my later game.

Does anyone have any issues with them at the moment?
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[grim-one]

I don't like Discord IV and High Orbit, just because it's the expansion points are so damn far away. I always get an early expansion, so I'm a little worried by random 2v2 partners will feel a little put out.

But it does add a little variety. Not all the maps can be the same. I'm actually hoping they introduce a couple where Protoss and Terran can't wall off immediately, like every single map currently has.
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[Cramsy]

Made it to rank 1 today. I can't see myself ever advancing, I've played too many matches now.

any tips for stopping an army of chargelots? I have no idea how to deal with it.

[hotmustardsauce]

^kite with marauder slow + stim

[Cramsy]

played a favored opponent today. Had him beat. Flies his command center away, masses bc's and drags the game to 45 minutes. I had to leave to go out and have a life. F*cking bronze, it's just fill of s*it and I'm just stuck in it.

[Kurupt]

As soon as he lifts off you should get a few units to focus it till it's in the red, then it'll burn before he can repair it. I usually use 3 or 4 voids or 5 or 6 mutas.

If you don't get it though, you can expect him to land somewhere that your ground forces are useless, so that's the time to switch to air, and get 2 or 3 tech buildings to get their tech up fast.

Also, what were you? if protoss you could have kited with pheonix, or vikings if you were terran.

[Puddingfork]

[hotmustardsauce]

For those interested dreamhack is on now live:

http://live.dreamhack.se/channel/official/50_Day9/embedded.htm

[Cramsy]

Just did my placement matches on the NA servers...

45 gold

[hotmustardsauce]

new patch

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662

[grim-one]