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This thread is not too pay out on Anime at all, just for someone like me to get an understanding of it.
OK, so whats with Anime? It seems that the people who like it, love it. But they don't just love it, they love it with a passion. They collect all the characters models and get posters and a lot of times start collections.
Spending 11 years in Japan, I was surrounded by it as a kid. At Akihabara, at arcades, at the shops but I always seemed to ignore it. Not intentionally, just not paying attention I guess.
As someone who has no real interest in Anime, it has always intreagued me as sometimes I think I am missing out on something. So I am asking anyone that likes it, what is it that you like so much? Is it that they are cute? Or are the stories fanstastc? If so, why? I guess it's something that I may never fully understand but i'd love to hear why people love it. It's always had me intrigued.
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I guess it's just one of those things where if you like it you like it and if you don't then you just don't, same with everything really.
I probably feel the same way about sports as you do about Anime  .
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I personally just see anime as any other movie or series. The animation/style aspect doesn't really phase me.
If the series is rubbish or if it has an awesome story (Berserk & Bebop <3) then I just see it in the same regard as any other western program, be it animation or not.
I have pretty much grown up with anime and I still don't see how people feel the need to collect the figurines or plush toys which seems to accompany the culture.
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Anime is just another medium for story to get out there. Books, cartoons, plays, live-action (your tv, your movies etc) There's really no difference between them.
| Quote: | | It seems that the people who like it, love it. |
It's a bit of a generalisation. There are a large number of vocal people who watch it, but the same goes for your Joss Whedon fans, your David Fincher fans, your Quentin Tarantino fans.
As for what you're missing out on...some have cool stories, others are horrible writing that you're missing nothing.
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Story for me man. Seriously the story for One Piece is amazing big and considering it has 469 episodes and looks like no where near ending its an amazing feet. That anime itself is a perfect example of why i love anime, great story, great characters, great action and i just love how there is heaps of episodes to enjoy. Ahhhh if it wasn't for LeonJ i would of never watched it so thanks man  .
Yeah as Neoxman said its not for everyone but i grew up watching Teknoman and then evolved to Dragon Ball Z which is another massive anime with an amazing story/characters/action .
EDIT: Thats another thing i should mention for me personally i love how anime can have a lot of episodes. It gives us time to love the characters and get a really really good story going well thats just my opinion anyway....
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I'm an ex anime fanboy and the best comparision I can make is. Hardcore obsessed anime people is the same as being a console fanboy.
There's no logic behind it, there is nothing that really puts anime a head of animation from any other corner of the world, but try explaining that to an anime fanboy and you will get the same reaction as trying to convince an x-box fanboy that Uncharted 2 is a great game.
In the long run, they're all just cartoons. Watch the good ones, don't watch the crap just like everything else.
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| Quote: | | Thats another thing i should mention for me personally i love how anime can have a lot of episodes. It gives us time to love the characters and get a really really good story going well thats just my opinion anyway.... |
Is what I mean. This isn't an aspect of anime. It's an aspect of any long running show. For every Naruto or One Piece with hundreds of episodes you have a NGE or Gankutstuo that is just one season.
In the end it's all just animation, weather it comes from japan, korea, france, america, australia. The country it's made in is completely irrelevant and the writing and characterization are what makes a show great.
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Anime/Manga stories are much better then your average American show.
I don't watch much TV (except sports) and primaly all my viewing is anime.
I just like long term arcs and complex stories. Plus the Japanese rock.
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Not obsessed with anime, only watch it like once a year (I'm known to not follow cartoons/shows/movies, that's just who I am I suppose) but it will have to be stories. My favourite series I can think of atm will have to be Detective Conan for its crime investigation.
I've seen a few that has fan services in it but those aren't usually my type, I never got interested in yaoi, panties shots and stuff like that, don't even get obsessed with "hot" characters.
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| Benza wrote: | | In the long run, they're all just cartoons. Watch the good ones, don't watch the crap just like everything else. |
This is the exact same way I see it. There's your good stuff, there's your bad stuff. There's a lot of people who go over the top with it, but name one fandom that doesn't?
Edit: Benza summed up my post in a sentence. bl me.
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Manga is 10X better than anime.
You get all of the story and character development without any of the filler. 
Reminds of the time I watched the entire Berserk series in a weekend. It was alright but then before watching it, I knew full well they were never going to include half of the explicit scenes you see in the manga.
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| LeonJ wrote: | | Anime/Manga stories are much better then your average American show. |
Honestly I gotta disagree here, I find the writing in anime and manga to generally be really stilted and forced (I think it's primarily a symptom of the translation side of things though) Anime's usually feel like stories not actual people if that makes sense.
Of course there are exceptions like say Beck or Champloo, but too often they fall into broad stereotypes like "This is the loud stupid main character with lots of fighting spirit" and "This is the loud obnoxious chick that hits the main character a lot" I mean steryotypes arn't always bad some shows do them well (Gurren Lagann took the "Loud stupid main charecter" to the extreme and was fucking awesome)
But the exceptions for a great anime come along just as often as the exceptions for a great American show. For every Beck we have a Dexter etc.
Not to mention the great stuff coming out of France like Wakfu which is seriously one of the greatest animated shows I've seen in a long time.
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I was a fan of anime (especially Dragon Ball Z) when I was kid (about 14 years ago) but now am so-so when it comes to the whole thing.
I think for me, I like things when they are underground...i.e. when no one really knows much about it but when anime (DBZ for example) got Western exposure and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, I found myself losing interest in anime more and more. The main reason for this was I got toasted for liking Dragon Ball Z originally with people saying "what's so cool about banana shaped hair on those guys" or "Dragon Balls...how many balls does a Dragon need?"
...those very same people several years later started saying such things as "I love Dragon Ball, I was like the first to watch it" etc...
...its the same with the Final Fantasy series...I was so into those games back in the day of the SNES but when FF VII came out and got it's Western exposure and everyone started liking it, I lost interest too.
But in answer to your question element465, for me, I liked anime for their cute characters as well as the insane fight scenes and the unusual complex storylines.
Cute - Azumanga
Fight Scenes - Dragon Ball Z
Complex Storylines - Patlabor (I had to watch that thing 3 times just to get what was going on....well that was like 14 years ago though)
...with all that being said, I buy anime dvds purely for collecting purposes (I watch once and it goes back in my collection).
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Is what I mean. This isn't an aspect of anime. It's an aspect of any long running show. For every Naruto or One Piece with hundreds of episodes you have a NGE or Gankutstuo that is just one season.
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Well yeah thats kind of true but i have never come across a great show with over 400 eps. Either way i am not strictly for anime i love tv shows period no matter where they come from..... I watch more USA shows then anime but yeah the anime i watch i love so what can ya do.
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| seyismyname wrote: | I was a fan of anime (especially Dragon Ball Z) when I was kid (about 14 years ago) but now am so-so when it comes to the whole thing.
I think for me, I like things when they are underground...i.e. when no one really knows much about it but when anime |
Wow, that's really shallow.
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...with all that being said, I buy anime dvds purely for collecting purposes (I watch once and it goes back in my collection). |
Haha, man that reminds me. DVD's we're one of the main reason I fell out of watching anime. I started to think "You know what, 30 bucks for 6 eppisodes is a fucking rip off, I can buy an entire season of Futurama for 40?" The price of anime dvd's is just ridiculous. I ended up paying $90 for the entire collection of FLCL, that's like 6 eppisodes with a total running time of 3 hours? (Less if you take out the credits for each episode) Great show but fuck me that is a rip off.
| Quote: | | Well yeah thats kind of true but i have never come across a great show with over 400 eps. |
Fair enough, like I said watch what you like don't watch what ya don't.
That said, if you like One Piece I'd defiantly recommend tracking down the Wakfu eppisodes. It's not that far in and they're taking season breaks but it's setting itself up to be a long series and it has some fantastic charecter development as well as being pretty similiar in tone to One Piece. (Also doesn't hurt that it's fucking gorgeous)
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I love anime in the same way I love the Disney and Nickelodeon kids' shows I watch, and the bands I listen to and the games I play. I think the reason why I seem to like more anime than other TV shows is that there are just a lot of anime shows out there, some of them have to be decent! Sure, I have an obscene number of K-ON! figures, but I also carry a Camp Rock bag and listen to High School Musical soundtracks. The Clannad posters on my walls are right next to my Bodyjar and Yellowcard posters and my large tortoise photographs.
Part of what's attractive to me is the animation in some shows, I like pretty things, but that's all it is. If it's pretty but has a terrible story I won't bother watching it. If it's not so pretty but has a great story I'll watch it, same as I might watch a Western show that has substandard acting for a good storyline.
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| Benza wrote: | | LeonJ wrote: | | Anime/Manga stories are much better then your average American show. |
Honestly I gotta disagree here, I find the writing in anime and manga to generally be really stilted and forced (I think it's primarily a symptom of the translation side of things though) Anime's usually feel like stories not actual people if that makes sense.
Of course there are exceptions like say Beck or Champloo, but too often they fall into broad stereotypes like "This is the loud stupid main character with lots of fighting spirit" and "This is the loud obnoxious chick that hits the main character a lot" I mean steryotypes arn't always bad some shows do them well (Gurren Lagann took the "Loud stupid main charecter" to the extreme and was **** awesome)
But the exceptions for a great anime come along just as often as the exceptions for a great American show. For every Beck we have a Dexter etc.
Not to mention the great stuff coming out of France like Wakfu which is seriously one of the greatest animated shows I've seen in a long time. |
I'm not talking about Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon or even D. Gray-Man here. There are a lot of stinkers around too (like Darker then Black).
I'm talking about *proper* anime/manga. I've enjoyed these series quite a lot:
Naruto
Bleach
One Piece
Full Metal A (brotherhood, not original)
Death Note
Vampire Knight
Eden of the East
Trigun
Cowboy Bebop
Fairy Tail
Beresk
Samurai Champloo
Fruit's Basket
Demon Bulter (can't remember the Japanase word)
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Soul Eater
Claymore
Blue Gender
and there are heaps more.
I find most American shows start off well but go bad when the ideas get thin. I must say though, I'm REALLY enjoying True Blood.
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I have a small number of those figures, so maybe I am "one of them".
I guess it really depends what your interests are, as I for one love some of the character designs that they used when drawing them.
Or they're a character that I enjoyed from the show.
It's kinda like how some people shell out for a game figurine/limited edition for a game - in the end some would say that it's 'just a game, why bother getting a limited edition or just a figurine from that game'. Not everyone can justify paying extra if they have that point of view.
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I'm talking about *proper* anime/manga. I've enjoyed these series quite a lot: |
Sorry but there's no such thing as propper. Cowboy Bebop is just as legitimate an anime as Pokemon.
Anime is a sub-medium of Animation. Not a genre.
Also am I the only one who couldn't stand Death note? In had a fucking incredible second OP. That actually convinced me to watch the show. But dear god that show was a convoluted piece of crap. I got up to were L and Light started going to school together and just couldn't take anymore "If I do this, then he'll think this, or will he think that I'm doing this so that he thinks that, so maybe I should do this, but then will he know I'm doing this instead of doing that, so he will do this and.... " it just kept going...
Honestly at the moment what turns me on most about an anime is what it looks like, finding something that differentiates itself from the generic anime look. (I know I know there are subtle difference in every artists style yadda yadda but 90% of the stuff still looks the same)
Stuff like Dead Leaves, Tekkonkinkreet, Gankustuou, Soul Taker (Shit show but dear god is it pretty), Mindgame etc.
Honestly I feel overall that anime has gotten way to insular latley. It's kind of the same as the big two comics companies over here. They only care about making stuff to appeal to there all ready existing fans instead of trying new things. Considering the main draw back when I was a wee one and stumbled onto NGE on SBS at 11:30 while hoping to see some tits was "Holy shit I've never seen anything like this before" It was just so amazing to see these shows doing things I'd never dreamed of with animation. Then to watch over the years as they all conform to doing the same shit over and over again is a little heart breaking.
TLDR version
This shit doesn't get me hard.
This shit does.
Make more of the second one plz?
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Benza,
Anime do fall into different targeted audience genre. Your preferences lies with Seinen category. All the titles you have named are in Seinen category. It is not surprising that if you watch a title that is Shounen, you will dislike it.
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| JmiYeo wrote: | Benza,
Anime do fall into different targeted audience genre. Your preferences lies with Seinen category. All the titles you have named are in Seinen category. It is not surprising that if you watch a title that is Shounen, you will dislike it. |
A target audience is not a genre. A genre describes the the aspects of a show in comparison to other shows not who it is aimed at.
Example
Dead Leaves: Action/Commedy
Gankutsuou Tekkonkinkreet: Drama
Mindgame: ... Experimental?
So no it's not a particular genre that interests me. What interests me finding a show that shows me something I haven't seen before. Something new. Not the same old shit.
If someone put out a highschool romance anime that did something different that could show me something new then I'd be just as interested in that.
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Okay, "targetted audience" is not a genre. My point being, if you watch something that is not suitable to your taste, of course you aint gonna like it. No one forced you to watch it in the first place.
If you seems to find all anime "is the same old shit", maybe you should improve your finding skills and not simply criticise it on the ones you found.
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I'm loving all the replies people. From all the reading, i'm slowly trying to get an understanding. Keep up the conversations, they are a good read.
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| JmiYeo wrote: | Okay, "targetted audience" is not a genre. My point being, if you watch something that is not suitable to your taste, of course you aint gonna like it. No one forced you to watch it in the first place.
If you seems to find all anime "is the same old ****", maybe you should improve your finding skills and not simply criticise it on the ones you found. |
My point was that it isn't about target audiences or what suits my tastes. My tastes are diverse I just want to see something new.
Like I said I used to be hardcore into anime and eagar to snap up the next new thing asap. Hell I was like the third or fourth highest poster on the madman forums untill I got kicked off.
But after a while it all starts to blend together. The large majority of anime these days is made for the Otaku. That's why you look at a list of new anime
and see
12 moe-blob shows
6 beautiful effeminate men shows.
3 robot animes
4 shows for little kids
2 shows that look like they exist entirely for fan service.
Yeah sorry but I'm not exactly inundated with creative shows trying out new things.
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| element465 wrote: | | I'm loving all the replies people. From all the reading, i'm slowly trying to get an understanding. Keep up the conversations, they are a good read. |
I love that you finally asked people who watch Anime rather than asking me every time I come to Melbourne.
This thread is a lot better than us saying:
"I don't get it"
"Neither do I"
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Anime to me is like what other people said in just that it's another medium for a story. I myself have had several friends lost to anime, as they watch it constantly, without stop, simply because it's anime and watch it exclusively to all other forms of entertainment. It's a bit sad, but I don't know why. There are some really good anime out there, but there are plenty of bad ones. And about 5 times the amount of both previous categories worth of creepy ones.
All in all, If you are going to get into anime, get someone who knows your taste, who is knowledgeable of anime to direct you to ones you'd like.
People say that the stories are better in anime/manga, but most of that is due to the fact that they're animated and therefore can do the magic/supernatural stuff that western animation with real actors can't provide. There is appeal in that to some, but I don't know why people exclusively watch anime or exclusively western tv. There are life changing series in both forms, some of the more famous example being Death Note, Code Geass, Bleach etc for anime and shows like Dexter, Supernatural etc for Western. That being said, it all comes down to taste and preference.
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