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 Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: Military groups outraged over Taliban war game |
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| Quote: | A new video game that lets players opt to fight alongside Taliban soldiers against the US in Afghanistan has provoked outrage in Australia and abroad.
Medal of Honor, which is due to launch in October, is a multiplayer game based on an elite group of US soldiers sent to "apply their unique skill sets to a new enemy in the most unforgiving and hostile battlefield conditions of present day Afghanistan".
But the new title from Electronic Arts has incensed the military community for using an ongoing conflict as a source of entertainment, and allowing gamers to pick which side they want to fight with. |
From theage.com.au website here
Opinions? Is it bad taste to be involved in a conflict that is so close to home? We've played as the Axis, but is that ok due to the distance between the conflict and now?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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How long until someone is going to wave this about as a "Taliban terrorist training tool"? =)
However, the article seems to be more about "belittling" the on-going war than being able to play as the opposing force. I guess some people don't want to treat a war happening right now as "entertainment" as a video game would. Those people should probably avoid watching the news though.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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The war is still happening now and I bet some people will think it is desensitising people's view on the Taliban, especially when they are the evil of Western society. Many people thinks gaming will somehow changes your perception and make you do stuff you don't normally do.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I can't help but think about "No Russian" again. This just rings soooo many bells. But yeah, I understand how people would feel that this is desensitising people to the Taliban, and it IS a bit of a current conflict and all.
It'll blow over, but maybe with a ban or two.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Um, why shouldn't they be represented? I mean I thought we lived in a society that tried to understand were opposing opinons came from?
It just seems like crap that just cause they're the enemy doesn't mean that they should only be portrayed as faceless evils?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: | | Um, why shouldn't they be represented? I mean I thought we lived in a society that tried to understand were opposing opinons came from? |
God no. Its war. The whole idea is to dehumanise the enemy and make you irrationally fear them. If we were all reasonable, we wouldn't want to fight.
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Wouldn't be much of a war if there was only one side in it. All these people need to go back and watch rambo 3. The speech Trautman gives about the russians underestimating the freedom fighters in afghanistan......
So the taliban are freedom fighters when fighting the invading russian army, but terrorists when fighting the invading american one......
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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its only a game! FFS. Let it be free. In CoD2 you can be Germans (in multiplayer), i mean come on its was WWII look at the history behind that, if they ban this game all games that have had the allies opposing forces in it should be banned by principal.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Time heals all wounds unless in Hiroshima or Nagasaki since then you're stuffed for a fair while anyway. Considering sentiment on the war itself is split anyway with many wanting us out and many conversely wanting us to remain and "get the job done!" whatever that job is since killing the other mob seems to be going swimmingly, both sides need to be represented because neither side is being more moral than the other. As has already been stated we have no problem these days with the 2 world wars, even the Vietnam War and playing both sides of the conflict simply because time has lapsed and people might not care as much as they once did. I'm sure that several Vietnam Vets weren't happy with what Watchmen did with it, because they didn't have any giant blue guy there to trivilaise it, but that's 40+ years ago, who cares now right?
The only people really trivialising war and the death and pain that it brings are those trying to say that a fictional media representation (game/movie) are in any way shape or form similar and that simply because 40 years has passed it's now OK to do it. very simple solution being don't like it, don't go to war and the people who want to profit off it have noting to profit off.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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It's just a game, people need to get over it. Anyway there are two sides to every war, I really don't understand what the problem is.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Tis always. lest we forget.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, new updates via The Age
| Quote: | | Players of a highly anticipated yet controversial upcoming shooter game will not be able to play as the Taliban after the developers responded to a global outcry from soldiers and their families. |
So yeah, you won't be able to play as a Taliban but as the "Opposing Force"
| Quote: | | Locally, the Australian Defence Association said the game, which let players shoot allied soldiers, was “in very bad taste†and called on all Australians to “not only support the Defence Force but to be sensitive particularly to bereaved familiesâ€. |
A completely valid point, ignoring a large number of games out there.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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So yeah, you won't be able to play as a Taliban after all.
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I'll still be playing as the Taliban.A stupid name change isn't going to stop me from calling them exactly what they are.Sorry but I will not pussify myself or the game just because some people have a problem with it.
I will either be an American blowing Talibans faces off or I'll be playing as the Taliban and blowing off American faces  Oh crap, I must be an evil villain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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yep just cause they change the name doesn't mean your not still playing as the taliban, if it will shut the idiots up then good job but really dont they have better things to complain about, its just a game
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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why not change the name of America?
and also i dont get why its ok to play as russia, japan, nazi germany etc but taliban is different because?
but it doesnt make any difference at all we all know who the opfor is meant to be and those who have been complaining about it made it clear to everyone else who didnt know exactly who opfor actually is.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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The main difference is that the Taliban are part of an ongoing conflict, the US is not currenty at war with Russia, Japan, Nazi Germany etc.
I can see their reasoning, but whatever you call them, we all know who the 'opposing force' is. Give the baby it's bottle and when the war is over (ha!) patch the game to relect reality perhaps?
Will this change really hamper anybody's enjoyment of the game?
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I can kind of understand the opinion here of them being whinging babies. but you have to remember the war is going really differently for America then it is for us.
I mean compare the 2 deaths in the Iraq war for Australia vs almost 4 and a half thousand for the US.
Yeah it's just a game and all that but it's still based on real events that people are really dying in. I don't think showing a little bit of compassion is really that bad.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Won't the Taliban missions be kinda boring? I mean just blowing yourself up time after time becomes a drag after a while.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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^So it's like Serious Sam with the bomb heads? That'd be f**king awesome. "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
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| Denny wrote: | | ^So it's like Serious Sam with the bomb heads? That'd be f**king awesome. "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" |
Well you can play as the tickers in Gears 3. Can't imagine it would be much different.
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Wait, what's all the rage about? I was a little distracted shooting up the CT units in Counter-Strike....
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It's always the people who will never play the game but ruin it for everyone else because of their ego and because they could..
since when people will not b!tch about anything?
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| nodachi wrote: | It's always the people who will never play the game but ruin it for everyone else because of their ego and because they could..
since when people will not b!tch about anything? |
They changed a name dude, that's not 'ruining the game' its 'having some consideration'
It's nothing to do with ego, it's to protect the feelings of people who's husbands and fathers have been killed by the Taliban recently.
The military hold wargame exercises were one team pretends to be the enemy, I'm pretty sure no soldiers would actually be offended by it. There wives and children are a different matter.
If you seriously think being able to play as the Taliban is more important then that then you're a selfish fuckwit.
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^...Yeah, its a form of respect to those effected personally.
I really don't get the big deal and the fussing, we still get to play the game and the gameplay will still be exactly the same. Its just a name change.
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| Benza wrote: | | nodachi wrote: | It's always the people who will never play the game but ruin it for everyone else because of their ego and because they could..
since when people will not b!tch about anything? |
They changed a name dude, that's not 'ruining the game' its 'having some consideration'
It's nothing to do with ego, it's to protect the feelings of people who's husbands and fathers have been killed by the Taliban recently.
The military hold wargame exercises were one team pretends to be the enemy, I'm pretty sure no soldiers would actually be offended by it. There wives and children are a different matter.
If you seriously think being able to play as the Taliban is more important then that then you're a selfish ****. |
So is it different if the opponents are Russian, Vietcong, Axis, etc? There's a Hell of a lot of other games that allow you to act in the shoes of the enemy, why should this be any different?
Conversely, why the **** is it then ok to be an American shooting the **** out of Taliban (I can guarantee it wouldn't have had any issues if it was one sided)? Or do we not care about the families of Taliban soldiers that die in the war?
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