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Nintendo's consoles (SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii) have always been region locked, their handhelds (Gameboy, GBA, DS) have not. I don't see why this would change with the 3DS.
kartanym: I don't know what you're going on about, Pokemon Black + White are not region locked. No DS game released on a cartridge is.
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| admeister wrote: |
kartanym: I don't know what you're going on about, Pokemon Black + White are not region locked. No DS game released on a cartridge is. |
Actually Adz, you're wrong.
Any DS game that has 'enhanced DSi features' or is only playable on a DSi console is region locked. Pokemon Black and White both have 'enhanced DSi features' and therefore will be region locked.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it seems you're half right. The game is region locked, but only for those with DSi and XL consoles. People with DS/DS Lite consoles will have no trouble importing.
| Quote: | | Video chat means this game will be region locked for DSi's and XLs |
| Quote: | | Nintendo DS and DS Lite systems will still be able to play imports. Only DSi and XL will have this problem. |
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| admeister wrote: | | Well, you're half right. The game is region locked, but only for those with DSi consoles. People with DS/DS Lite consoles will have no trouble importing. |
That's still a form of region locking on a Nintendo handheld and shows a precedent for Nintendo to follow up in their next handheld.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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True enough. Here's hoping they don't pursue that course. It seems an odd move to do this with only a few games, I hadn't heard of it happening before with game cartridges on the DSi. Well, at least most DS owners will be able to import the game.
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| Andrew Cathie wrote: | | admeister wrote: | | Well, you're half right. The game is region locked, but only for those with DSi consoles. People with DS/DS Lite consoles will have no trouble importing. |
That's still a form of region locking on a Nintendo handheld and shows a precedent for Nintendo to follow up in their next handheld. |
I think someone's paranoid. I don't see any reason for them to make the same mistake again. Regardless, we'll find out in 2 weeks.
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Can people define 'mistake' though? If its a 'mistake' for you as a consumer it does not mean that it is a 'mistake' for Nintendo as a business. The rigid regional and online restrictions of the Wii is a 'mistake', but not necessarily one Nintendo gives two bobs about.
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They'll care if it costs them business though. I guess it's hard to gauge how much of an impact it has. Region locking certainly reduces the number of games I buy, anyway.
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Thats my point. Is there any reason to believe that the Wii and DSi region locks are costing them business? Nintendo are rolling in it.
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I think it definitely costs them business. I'm know there's plenty of us who would like to be able to import U.S and Japanese Wii games freely, the sales of which would benefit Nintendo. It really comes down to whether having complete control over the pricing in each region is better than making extra sales from people importing the games.
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| admeister wrote: | | I think it definitely costs them business. I'm know there's plenty of us who would like to be able to import U.S and Japanese Wii games freely, the sales of which would benefit Nintendo. It really comes down to whether having complete control over the pricing in each region is better than making extra sales from people importing the games. |
Considering they've kept it going for every single console they released, I'm willing to assume they make more money off controlling the pricing.
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| admeister wrote: | | I think it definitely costs them business. I'm know there's plenty of us who would like to be able to import U.S and Japanese Wii games freely, the sales of which would benefit Nintendo. It really comes down to whether having complete control over the pricing in each region is better than making extra sales from people importing the games. |
"Allowing imports = more money" is consumer logic though, not necessarily business logic. This is a company that has refused to localise titles that they've funded, and even developed internally. They love having strict control over the entire market.
I hope the 3DS is region free, cos I love me some region free, but I'm leaning towards region locks simply because it would be so typically rigid Nintendo.
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| Jarrod wrote: | | Can people define 'mistake' though? If its a 'mistake' for you as a consumer it does not mean that it is a 'mistake' for Nintendo as a business. The rigid regional and online restrictions of the Wii is a 'mistake', but not necessarily one Nintendo gives two bobs about. |
There was a lot of confusion around it as some content was region locked and some wasn't. Counterfeiters used this to their advantage; check any dodgy looking eBay auction.
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I really hope it's region free, but I can't see Nintendo doing this. They have always been successful but the DS was crazy bananas successful...and pirated. I'm pretty sure they are going to be really strict and hardass on the 3DS. It's going to be one of the hottest things hitting the market in years (since the Wii) and I'm sure Nintendo will be happy to region lock it. I'm sure Nintendo Australia would love that too....those bastards.
I'm hopefull (re: wish) they revamp their online sevices and roll out a Wii/DSi/3DS combined store. I can't see any reason why the 3DS can't play VC games either (re: 2nd wish).
Ahhh Nintendo. You do such good work and then do really dumb things. They are like Sony but in reverse. Sony aims for the stars but can't deliver and Nintendo continue with the conservative strict views.
It's quite funny. I almost expect the 3DS to suck online and have a crappy interface but I really want one. What other company can do that!
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| LeonJ wrote: | | I'm hopefull (re: wish) they revamp their online sevices and roll out a Wii/DSi/3DS combined store. I can't see any reason why the 3DS can't play VC games either (re: 2nd wish). |
It's going to be very interesting to see how they handle the online. Iwata was saying that the service is in need of some changes. The example he gave was the feature in Nintendogs where your dog can interact with other people's dogs automatically when in sleep mode, or something like that. He said this worked well in Japan, where the population is dense, but not so well in the US or other countries where its not as probable to run into somebody using the feature. They hope to rectify such problems with the 3DS.
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| LeonJ wrote: | | I really hope it's region free, but I can't see Nintendo doing this. They have always been successful but the DS was crazy bananas successful...and pirated. |
How does region lock stop piracy? All it does is give excuses to the people that sell these devices. Just look at the PS3. It lasted more than 3 1/2 years before the jailbreak came out, and when it did it lasted two weeks before it was patched out of existence.
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If Nintendo region lock the 3DS, I'm going to be very disappointed. I can live with the Wii region locking, but if they take away my choice to import handheld games I'll be tempted to boycott it. I have less respect for companies who region lock their games, I think it's just mean to the consumers, even if it does make some business sense. Nintendo are doing fine now, but things haven't always been that way, the Gamecube sold terribly.
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I think Nintendo's region locking is about protecting the local arms.
Anyway, fingers crossed they keep the tradition it's region free.
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| admeister wrote: | | If Nintendo region lock the 3DS, I'm going to be very disappointed. I can live with the Wii region locking, but if they take away my choice to import handheld games I'll be tempted to boycott it. I have less respect for companies who region lock their games, I think it's just mean to the consumers, even if it does make some business sense. Nintendo are doing fine now, but things haven't always been that way, the Gamecube sold terribly. |
I hate region locking in general.. whether it is on consoles, DVD players etc.. at the lowest level it is simply annoying.
Having said that, I could understand them region locking English speaking countries.. but to region lock between languages, specifically Japan and the rest of the world, would be a mistake.
Honestly though.. I don't like the idea of Nintendo Australia being in total control of the pricing of games again.. I still remember Nintendo announcing that the price of Wii games was going to be considerably less than the other consoles.. don't see it.. where is it? The price of new release, big titles is still $100..
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Isn't reigon locking illegal in Australia? At least with DVD's. How are Nintendo allowed to keep getting away with it?
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| Benza wrote: | | Isn't reigon locking illegal in Australia? At least with DVD's. How are Nintendo allowed to keep getting away with it? |
First time I've heard that region locking is illegal in Australia. My BluRay player is region locked.
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According to wiki anyway the ACCC dvd players that enforce reigon coding can violate the Australian Trade Practice act for being anti competitive.
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| Quote: | ACCC chairman Allan Fels said the commission was investigating whether restrictive region coding breached the Trade Practices Act.
"If the manufacturers have an agreement to do that, it looks like an anti-competitive agreement breaching not only Australian law but laws in other countries," |
Can't find anything on how that ended up turning out though.
But if not illegal it's defiantly on shady legal ground.
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I had been told that any DVD player purchased in Australia, that does not play all regions out of the box, must be able to be unlocked with a code provided by the manufacturer.
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | I had been told that any DVD player purchased in Australia, that does not play all regions out of the box, must be able to be unlocked with a code provided by the manufacturer. |
That's the same thing I heard.
So again, if these rules exist for dvd's, how are Nintendo getting away with it?
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Maybe the law does not include gaming systems?
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