Binge & Purge: Nintendo are at it again

[Noogle]

Binge & Purge: Nintendo are at it again by James

PALGN Feature: The Revolution will be a paradigm shift in gaming. This from a company that invented the industry’s hobby: flogging sequels and IPs at the hungry masses.

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[ObsoletE]

bah, the formatting is off for the article... i have to scroll left and right to read it...

i can't be bothered, sorry
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[mangaman]

same here. funnily enough, i only read the articles about one or two paragraphs long, unless it's some topic i'm reeeaaallllyyyyy interested in.
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[Haarball]

Formatting fixed. The links were off.
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[ObsoletE]

Analog Stick:
ah ok... i was also thinking it was kind of odd since PC's have been using analog joysticks for years...
either way, the Atari 7800 also had an analog stick that was placed instead of the D-Pad...
EDIT: ok, this turned out to be a thumb-stick in a digital pad...

PSX Analog:
yeah, i wasn't referring to the Dual-Shock controllers... maybe i wasn't clear enough... the PSX had an analog controller before the dual-shock controller, it looked pretty much the same, but was noticably lights, and the "handle" bits were thinner... i think this was a PSX launch accessory... my neighbour had one as long as i can remember him having a PSX, which he got at launch, but i might be wrong about the timing here, i do remember that virtually nothing used the analog features... TOCA Touring Cars (1) is the only thing pre-Gran Turismo i can remember using it for... i do remember the Rumble-Pak being out first...
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[Brendan]

Nope, the PSX launched without an analog stick controller - they scrambled after Nintendo unveiled theirs.

Think you're being a bit harsh on Nintendo - sure they need a smack, sure they need to stop talking about things they won't deliver (like most corporate bodies), but nobody has innovated as much as they have.

And the whole idea of an all-in-one entertainment center makes me sick.

[LeonJ]

It is a bit rough on Nintendo. They are the reason why the consoles have evolved to where we are today. I just feel sorry for them because they are indeed the front runners in innovation, but all the companies just rip their stuff off and market it better.

Nintendo are right to do what they are doing, because with the online user base like Xbox Live has and over-hyped Sony brand name, there is little room for Nintendo in that market. There is no point trying to fight Sony and Microsoft in term of technology (graphics etc), so they are trying to be smart about the Next Gen wars. Let’s face it, if they release Gamecube Mark 2 against Xbox 2 and PS3, they probably will end up 3rd with little 3rd party support, regardless of when they launch. This is a great move for them, and I for one can't wait to see where Nintendo are going with this.

Look at the DS, the sales are through the roof because of the idea of "fun games" using a touch screen. Something different always attracts people to a product. Everybody thought the PSP would bury it and it would be the next Virtual Boy, but hey egg on their face...
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[David]

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE JAPANESE MARKET WHERE GAMING HAS BEEN IN DECLINE SINCE 1997!!!!

The last year the Japanese game market saw growth was the last year of Nintendo's dominance, before they were screwed by square. Maybe they DO know what they're talking about?

AS for controllers, Nintendo created every single feature on the modern controller, and sony (and others) have done nothing but blatantly copy. See this:

http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=18&threadid=7738&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

[ObsoletE]

whoa, hang on... not everything on the modern gamepad was done by Nintendo

dual analog sticks...
analog buttons...
i have a few games that use the select button
the PS don't have an X button, it's a cross... and its their own stupid fault if you don't know what the button layout is by now...

yeah, they (Nintendo) have made some significant advances in console gaming, but so has every company... whether it be 4 controller ports, CDs, DVDs, Hard-Drives, some aren't as prolific, and i am well aware that Nintendo have offered more to the market than other companies, but look at any market... any market you choose to name will have a company that designs something and others will copy/adapt it for themselves... and it becomes standard... Examples:
Motor Industry - Airbags, Disc Brakes, PowerSteering, 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering
Newspapers - Typesetting, Comics, Colour Printing

and as i said, innovations in Console gaming... you could go back and say that most of these innovations were copies of PC controllers... force feedback was designed as a training tool for pilots and others, then adapted into games...
Analog joysticks have been available for PCs a lot longer than consoles
4 input ports... i think the Atari 2600 and 7800's both had 4 too, i need to dig mine out to check, but i'm only suffering the slightest doubt on this

that post is the biggest bitch-fest i've ever read... wow, innovative X, and Y instead of 1 and 2... lets replace the select with a Z... these are not innovations IMO...

(damn american analog btw...)
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[Noogle]

The problem with Nintendo is that it has all this credit with gamers because of all that it's done. But while this leverage might go down well for their legacy, it's not going to carry them in the current console wars - if it did the GAmecube would hav edone a lot better and the platform wouldn't have lost exclusives like Resident Evil 4.

Like I said, I like Nintendo, but their recent attitude and behaviour has been somewhat shocking and reminiscent of a small dog japping and snapping at everyone. Revelution is a make-or-break : after that console we'll see if Nintendo will stay in the hardware market (sans handhelds). Right now the company is outgunned by both Microsoft and Sony - the former might not be that far ahead of Nintendo in terms of hardware units, but it has more money and a lot more sense in what it takes ot conquer the modern market.

Regarding the games, these appeal to a lot of Nintendo fans, but they have also been fairly successful in not bringing in new blood to the Nintendo fan base. Once again I'm not referring to the handhelds here. Nitnendo has been sitting on its laurels for far too long in a market that is becoming more cutthroat by the day. Iwata-san's ridiculous 'paradigm shift' (which, let's face it, is akin to simply saying that it will be really cool - what hardware manufacturer won't say their upcoming product won't rock?) smells more of desperation than innovation. Even the DS, great as it is, is a glorified PDA. It doesn't do anything I haven't yet seen in the mobile market.

[mangaman]

well i skimmed through the article and posts made, and agree with obsolete in the fact that nintendo was one of the more successful video game companies in the early 90's (i'm talking about the NES). There they introduced the basic control pad, the basic games (eg. metroid, mario bros., ice climbers etc.)and accesories to be used with the gaming systems such as the first video game gun to be used on the screen.

So over the years, Nintendo has had trouble with competitors and Nintendo only games. So personally, i don't think for a while many companies will produce an original big selling game that isn't a sequel.

Have you seen some of the short original games released? Scaler, movie based games, pokemon channel, yu gi oh console games to name a few. I don't think that there has been an original hit that's been released in the past year. (someone correct me here if i'm wrong)
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[Big Pete]

Nintendo will come up with something original...name me a Nintendo console that hasn't featured one original game?

Also mangaman, Animal Crossing just came out in the UK, so you can kind of say it's original.

The only reason I think Nintendo are failing, is due to advertisement, it's not presented as "cool" it's presented as something different. Most teenagers who are the target audience want to fit in (well most do) so they get what looks cool, so they pick up either an X Box or PS2.
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