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| Quote: | | While I take a 'live and let live' stance with most things, faith is still dangerous, even when detatched from religious dogma. It is the exact opposite of reason, and stands in direct opposition of the scientific method. I want to live in a society of thinking, rational people, and faith by its very definition is the acceptance of ideas without evidence or question. |
like scientific theory, a few of einsteins theories are currently under question, the theory of relativity is questioned in that light may not have always been a constant speed.....people had/have faith in that theory.
At least though scientific theory can be proven wrong if it is such, sooner or later, faith in god is so ingrained into some people that it is almost like a mania.
We have a whole bunch of people running around believing in this higher power, yet if you were to say you spoke to it, no make that if you said it told you to do something, you'd be a loony, strange world we live in.
Edit : and due to my long arse typing of that post, the first section is unnecessary after your last post.
Also i pretty much agree with you, just trying to see it form someone elses point of view to myself
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Being a Christian myself, I feel that society has largely misunderstood Christianity. At its root, Christianity is all about love and acceptance, but people often abuse that, as shown by those religious crusades and holy wars.
When people refer to the racist, harsh and unyielding aspects of Christianity, what they are referring to is in fact not "Christianity". They're referring to the earlier form, "Judaism", which was God's means of keeping the fickle Israelites from crossing all moral boundaries into a degenerative and self destructive society. Jesus overturned such rules, and made Christianity, a surprisingly free religion - herded by the main creeds of loving God and "love your neighbour as yourself".
These pillars of Christianity have been misused and been misunderstood, as I have read a lot particularly on the R18+ debates of people accusing others "Stop being such a Christian" or articles labelling that a "Christian [is] against violent games". Because Christianity is supposed to be accepting religion - accepting of everyone regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, beliefs, religion, etc etc etc.
I believe that if all Christians followed this idea, abandoning the religious dogma built up over centuries of blind "religious" influence and rule, the world would be a better place and people would smile when you mention that you're a Christian instead of laughing it off.
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| 3mt wrote: | | When people refer to the racist, harsh and unyielding aspects of Christianity, what they are referring to is in fact not "Christianity". They're referring to the earlier form, "Judaism", which was God's means of keeping the fickle Israelites from crossing all moral boundaries into a degenerative and self destructive society. Jesus overturned such rules, and made Christianity, a surprisingly free religion - herded by the main creeds of loving God and "love your neighbour as yourself". |
Yes, the Old testament is where most of the nasty stuff is, but it's pretty unreasonable to shift all the blame on the Jews and pretend Christianity is squeaky clean. Jesus' teaching are the basis of christianity, but they certainly aren't all there is to it. It seems to me you're just following his teachings, completely divorced from the other scripture, which isn't what Christianity is, like it or not. Neither is it congruent with the beliefs of any of the christian churches. Where do you turn to to understand/learn about jesus' teachings, if not the new testament? And if you do turn there for information, what makes you accept some parts, and dismiss others?
| 3mt wrote: | | I believe that if all Christians followed this idea, abandoning the religious dogma built up over centuries of blind "religious" influence and rule, the world would be a better place and people would smile when you mention that you're a Christian instead of laughing it off. |
Without the dogma, what do you have left? Nobody knows exactly what Jesus said all the time, as there aren't any records of word for word what he said, short of the bible (and the validity of that is highly debatable. not only was it written hundreds of years after the fact, but it was translated so many times by imperfect scribes, it has little chance of being the same book now as when it was originally cobbled together from passages). If you are ready and willing to ditch the scripture, in what way are you Christian? You mayaswell do what Sin Ogaris said and just have faith. I'm not sure why it's necessary to label one's self this or that, its just divides a line between people, a line that doesn't exist.
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In all honesty, the problem is mostly with the faithful, not the faith, since there's plenty of good stuff in the bible about love and compassion. But then, the Old Testament has a lot of stuff along those lines, too.
The problem is that even the New Testament has a lot of ugly material in it. For instance, it's still pretty crystal clear that homosexuality is a sin. (Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). There is, however, a lot less racism and nasty exclusivism in the New Testament as Christianity became an evangelical religion.
None the less, the basic attitudes of even the New Testament are now nearly two thousand years old. Some of them are going to seem out-dated and offensive to many people, and yes, I'm one of them. I don't have a problem with Christianity per se, but I don't believe that its existence is a wholly good thing, and I do have problems with many of the things done in its name.
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| JackSlack wrote: | | In all honesty, the problem is mostly with the faithful, not the faith, since there's plenty of good stuff in the bible about love and compassion. But then, the Old Testament has a lot of stuff along those lines, too. |
Isn't this like saying'it's OK to keep that murderer out of jail, as he does a lot of good stuff too, like charity work etc? There's still nasty stuff in there, and no amount of 'love thy neighbour' can cover up the antiquated beliefs that go with it...
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I'm not all up to date on the whole christian/homosexuality thing nor am i a true expert on history so i could be wrong but when these things where written down all those years ago, the notion of homosexuality was quite different. In Sparta homosexuality was practiced among soldiers to boost comradeory, in Rome homosexual relations where considered normal by the aristocracy.
My point is that the way we view sexuality today is very different to the way it was at the time of the bible and so, maybe the homosexuality the bible preaches against is this kind of casual homosexuality not the modern scientifically diagnosed homosexuality.
But like i said, not at all an expert.
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| pom013 wrote: | | I'm not all up to date on the whole christian/homosexuality thing nor am i a true expert on history so i could be wrong but when these things where written down all those years ago, the notion of homosexuality was quite different. In Sparta homosexuality was practiced among soldiers to boost comradeory, in Rome homosexual relations where considered normal by the aristocracy. |
But it was never forced, just freely accepted by society, and therefore more widespread, as there was no fear of backlash, and no stigma against it. Anyway, I don't think sexuality is that black and white as 'you're gay or straight, and that's it'.
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My point is that the way we view sexuality today is very different to the way it was at the time of the bible and so, maybe the homosexuality the bible preaches against is this kind of casual homosexuality not the modern scientifically diagnosed homosexuality. |
The bible was against ALL homosexuality, it's a sin whether you are born that way or not. Anyway, as far as I know, there aren't different 'types' of homosexuality, and either way you put it (casual or scientific, although I'm at a loss as to what this exactly means. Is casual homosexuality just same sex couplings between straight people? If they enjoy sex with a same gender partner, i'd hazard a guess and say they fall under the 'scientific' definition anyway), there's nothing wrong with it, and the church has no business telling people it's wrong and a hellworthy tresspass. But you're right, it was a different time back then, and so different values were accepted. But if we set our moral compasses based on education and societal influence, then why do we need to pull morals from an incredibly irrelevant book at all?
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | Isn't this like saying'it's OK to keep that murderer out of jail, as he does a lot of good stuff too, like charity work etc? There's still nasty stuff in there, and no amount of 'love thy neighbour' can cover up the antiquated beliefs that go with it... |
To some degree, but it's worth noting none the less. I'm a Christian-turned-atheist, but I try to be the non-strident, understanding type of atheist instead of the forehead-slapping variety of Richard Dawkins universe.
(I have endless respect for Dawkins as a geneticist. The Selfish Gene is one of my favorite books ever. As a spokesman for atheism, I want him to shut up. The God Delusion is cringe-inducing at times, and trying to make ourselves look like Spock isn't a winning strategy anyway. I'd rather see people like Sun-Ann Post make the case for atheism; people who acknowledge that faith is a thorny issue even amongst the so-called unbelievers, that at this point nearly everyone has the influence of religion on their lives, and that there's good and bad in every belief system.)
There's been murderers who've used every stripe of religion to justify their actions, sure. But there's no doubt been people who've taken to acts of great charity spurred on by it too. I used to work with one woman who ran a charity van with food for the homeless, which started with her conversion to Christianity. And we're talking Evangelical, Hill Song stuff, the kind of Christianity I usually have the largest problem with.
I disagreed with her on a lot of things. She was hard-core right wing, she was a creationist, she was very moralistic. But her faith was sincere and it did a lot of good. And we can't divorce the good from the bad in religion. I'm uncomfortable, as such, with taking a black and white view of it. In either direction.
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This raises some of difficult questions, like, taking your example, would that lady still do charity work if she wasn't christian? And likewise, would she still have crazy right wing, narrow minded opinions if she wasn't christian? I'm leaning towards saying yes to both, but it's not like I can really know, either way.
All I do know is there are plenty of people that are involved with charity, human rights and devoting a large part of their life to helping others that at the same time don't hold a bunch of awfully backwards, descructive beliefs. I'd like to make it clear now that I'm really opposed to this whole religion having a monopoly on morality and selflessness argument, like without it people wouldn't do good things. You point to the guy who does heaps of charity work, but also is a blatant racist who believes that aliens can hear his thoughts, and I'll show you someone who does the same kind and good deeds, minus the wacky beliefs and hurtful views...
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Oh yeah, no question. Trust me, I'm not arguing that you can't be an atheist and moral. I consider myself a fairly moral person.
And yeah, I kind of believe that people who are good will be good no matter what, and find reasons to be good within whatever framework they've found.
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | But it was never forced, just freely accepted by society, and therefore more widespread, as there was no fear of backlash, and no stigma against it. Anyway, I don't think sexuality is that black and white as 'you're gay or straight, and that's it'. |
Thats my point, sexuality was a whole different ball game 2000 years ago and maybe that is something to consider. Context is always important when reading old texts, the bible says lots of things that shouldn't be taken literally in modern times, maybe this is another.
| Sinthesys wrote: | | Anyway, as far as I know, there aren't different 'types' of homosexuality, and either way you put it (casual or scientific, although I'm at a loss as to what this exactly means. Is casual homosexuality just same sex couplings between straight people? If they enjoy sex with a same gender partner, i'd hazard a guess and say they fall under the 'scientific' definition anyway). |
Just to clarify, by 'casual' (not the best expression, sorry) i meant engaging in homosexual activity without necessarily being homosexual. There is lost of evidence of this occurring in the ancient world such as frescos at pompeii depicting homosexuality as a hedonistic activity, stories about Julius Caesar strategically 'sleeping around' to advance his career and the before mentioned soldiers of Sparta (i'm sure they weren't ALL gay).
EDIT: I didnt mean to sound like i was simplifying sexuality, I'm not nearly naive enough to think i could do that.
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| pom013 wrote: |
Thats my point, sexuality was a whole different ball game 2000 years ago and maybe that is something to consider. Context is always important when reading old texts, the bible says lots of things that shouldn't be taken literally in modern times, maybe this is another. |
Of course, but as I said, if we were to take one part as figurative or metaphorical, where do we draw the line? Why not take the whole thing in a figurative way? If we base morals on the education and understanding of the time, why pick and choose from a book which parts we want and don't want? At that point, the book is redundant, as we are just accepting the parts that already match our moral system as 'literal' and then all the parts we understand to be wrong and generally hateful as 'oh, you shouldn't take that part literally'...
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Just to clarify, by 'casual' (not the best expression, sorry) i meant engaging in homosexual activity without necessarily being homosexual. There is lost of evidence of this occurring in the ancient world such as frescos at pompeii depicting homosexuality as a hedonistic activity, stories about Julius Caesar strategically 'sleeping around' to advance his career and the before mentioned soldiers of Sparta (i'm sure they weren't ALL gay).
EDIT: I didnt mean to sound like i was simplifying sexuality, I'm not nearly naive enough to think i could do that. |
Ahh, I get what you mean by 'casual'.
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And yeah, I kind of believe that people who are good will be good no matter what, and find reasons to be good within whatever framework they've found. |
Yeah, that was essentially what I was getting at...
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | Of course, but as I said, if we were to take one part as figurative or metaphorical, where do we draw the line? Why not take the whole thing in a figurative way? If we base morals on the education and understanding of the time, why pick and choose from a book which parts we want and don't want? At that point, the book is redundant, as we are just accepting the parts that already match our moral system as 'literal' and then all the parts we understand to be wrong and generally hateful as 'oh, you shouldn't take that part literally'... |
Well I did say that I wasnt an expert 
I know what you mean though, it does seem a bit ridiculous to base such a massive global organisation on such an outdated book.
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Yes, the Old testament is where most of the nasty stuff is, but it's pretty unreasonable to shift all the blame on the Jews and pretend Christianity is squeaky clean. Jesus' teaching are the basis of christianity, but they certainly aren't all there is to it. It seems to me you're just following his teachings, completely divorced from the other scripture, which isn't what Christianity is, like it or not. Neither is it congruent with the beliefs of any of the christian churches. Where do you turn to to understand/learn about jesus' teachings, if not the new testament? And if you do turn there for information, what makes you accept some parts, and dismiss others?
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To answer this, I think that we have to look at the purpose of the laws. Back in the Old Testament, those harsh laws like isolating people with disease were to keep the transmission rates low. Those rituals like if someone touches a dead body, they have to wash themselves seven times - this was to improve hygiene.
Now those rituals became more and more restrictive as people added to those laws to the point where the whole purpose of those laws became lost in the flood of legalistic clauses.
I believe that Jesus' teachings broke down these restrictive rules, and rather, emphasised reason over form. The reason why we don't have to follow certain old rules anymore is because their purpose is null. Jesus broke down the "religion" of the old, and made it into a "relationship" with God. And keep in mind that the purpose of Jesus' existence was to die on the cross for humanity's sins, so in doing so, all our sins were forgiven. Hence Christians are "allowed" to sin. But since we now have a relationship with God, we choose not to. Its like having a friend - you can do things that will harm your relationship with them, but you can also choose not to do those things and build up the relationship instead.
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Without the dogma, what do you have left? Nobody knows exactly what Jesus said all the time, as there aren't any records of word for word what he said, short of the bible (and the validity of that is highly debatable. not only was it written hundreds of years after the fact, but it was translated so many times by imperfect scribes, it has little chance of being the same book now as when it was originally cobbled together from passages). If you are ready and willing to ditch the scripture, in what way are you Christian? You mayaswell do what Sin Ogaris said and just have faith. I'm not sure why it's necessary to label one's self this or that, its just divides a line between people, a line that doesn't exist. |
As for the accuracy of the New Testament, I quote from here (sorry if its a bit long):
There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament. If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity... The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. ... If Jesus was crucified in 30 A.D., then that means that the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts."
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anyway, back on topic
Dubai asks for arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu
Well this will be interesting - A state that isn't the pretend "good guys" trying to bring a leader to justice.......
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Base my life off a 2000 year old book, not fucking likely. Maybe I'll sail around the world with maps that have dragons at the edges, and drop off the edge. Maybe I'll freak out at a solar eclipse and go on a rampage... Maybe I'll, oh forget it, you can see where I'm heading...
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It's just so darn hip to hate on religion isn't it?
Mind you the hippest of the hip hate on Christianity, if you hate on Islam or Judaism or anything besides the Big C you'll be labelled a racist by your fellow hipsters, so remember, stay the course, hate on the bible, Jesus, all that kinda stuff and remember to blame all of society's ills on it.
Unless it suddenly becomes cool not too.
By gum you better be quick to about face though, teens today are pretty fickle what with their energy drinks and tight jeans.One minute you'll be swimming upstream with the other glassy eyed salmon, next you'll be swimming the other way, just remember to follow the crowd; that way you'll never be wrong 
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| Infested Jibbs wrote: | It's just so darn hip to hate on religion isn't it?
Mind you the hippest of the hip hate on Christianity, if you hate on Islam or Judaism or anything besides the Big C you'll be labelled a racist by your fellow hipsters, so remember, stay the course, hate on the bible, Jesus, all that kinda stuff and remember to blame all of society's ills on it.
Unless it suddenly becomes cool not too.
By gum you better be quick to about face though, teens today are pretty fickle what with their energy drinks and tight jeans.One minute you'll be swimming upstream with the other glassy eyed salmon, next you'll be swimming the other way, just remember to follow the crowd; that way you'll never be wrong |
I couldn't give a shit about being "hip" I'm about 15 years past that stage of my life. Oh yeah, did I mention I'm a ***?
Edit: I was a teen once... in 1993...
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It sure is good to have someone to keep the feeble minded on the path of jibbsyness because i sure as hell have no idea why i would hate any of those religions, even with 20 years of researching why i would...... Now time for a hoedown....
I mean it's not like anyone could come to that conclusion of their own accord is it.....
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Calm down fetid, take another toke and relax man, it's what you do best!
-EDIT-ooohh the end.Scary stuff.Though i smell a sequel in the works.A gritty reboot maybe?
I'm struggling to find a reason to even be here anymore... this place, i'll make a pie chart one of these days breaking down what makes up palgn in 2010, mostly made up of bernkills man boobs, guys digitally dry humping pixie girl and people whining about how bad religion is.
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Well man, you just called out a dude that i have been proud to call my mate for the best part of 20 years, and i know for a fact that isn't what he is about.....the end
Edit: get over it pooman
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| Infested Jibbs wrote: | Calm down fetid, take another toke and relax man, it's what you do best!
-EDIT-ooohh the end.Scary stuff.Though i smell a sequel in the works.A gritty reboot maybe?
I'm struggling to find a reason to even be here anymore... this place, i'll make a pie chart one of these days breaking down what makes up palgn in 2010, mostly made up of bernkills man boobs, guys digitally dry humping pixie girl and people whining about how bad religion is. |
Don't forget assumption and pomposity.
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I love you Jibbs.
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i gotta ask jibbs have you ever been punched in the face ? im only asking because i cant recall what it feels like , i can only assume that it happens to you all the time ?
all i can really say jibbs is if you don't like it here then just go instead of whining about how bad religion is thro your edits and hiding behind your computer
and why are we talking about religion, this is meant to be interesting/ amazing news - religion is not news - not in this context.
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