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 Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Spider-Man 4 CANCELLED; Reboot Incoming... |
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Something disturbing that I came across yesterday as a big fan of the Raimi Spidey flicks...
Spider-Man, no more!
Despite the third movie's shortcomings, Raimi created an absolutely blockbuster series with these films and it feels like a bit of a spit in the face for everything we've just enjoyed over the past decade to effectively be voided in favour of rehashing the whole thing all over again. It's not even been 10 years since the series started and the movies grossed $2.5 billion worldwide.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Wow that seems a tad ridiculous, as you say it hasn't even been 10 years. I personally didn't enjoy 2 and 3 that much, and would be interested to see what they do with a fresh start but still...just seems, wasteful almost.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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This can't be any worse than the first 3 films.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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This doesn't make much sense, it's far too soon to reboot the franchise. There isn't really any need to anyway, as despite the 2nd and 3rd films flaws they were still great.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'm kinda excited by this news. I've only seen Spiderman 1 & 2, and didn't really love either of them. Apparently 3 wasn't that great either. Definitely got over the films after the first two. That said, it's a stupid business decision.
Hoping for something darker this time around, in the vein of the Batman reboot. Then again, the Peter Parker/Spiderman story isn't really a dark one (apart from the murder of Uncle Ben).
I wonder what this means for the upcoming Venom film?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Theory, it's not their decision. Raimi bucked at the schedule they set, and said, 'Well, goodbye.' I'm guessing the actors followed.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, right. Just read the link from the OP. Cool. Got it. Thanks. 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Tis a shame, I thoroughly enjoyed the first two Spiderman films whilst the third was an enjoyable mess.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| theory wrote: | | Oh, right. Just read the link from the OP. Cool. Got it. Thanks. |
Sorry, sorry. Wasn't trying to suggest you hadn't read it, simply wanted to add more info.
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From what I've read it was more like Sony said "You have until May 2011 and you have to use this actor" and Rami said no, look at what happened with Spider-Man 3 when you forced Venom on us. It's not Rami's fault he was attempting to rectify the problems with the series and look at building a good franchise, rather than throwing in popular characters for cheap sales.
I'm a little annoyed, as the Vulture would have been fun (if rumours were true) however a high-school Spider-Man could be more true to the character. Maybe give us some Gwen Stacey - but DON'T give us Green Goblin again... please do something new.
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^ not just Sony from what i've read in other articles. Its a base of all the different parties (Rami, Sony, Marvel etc.) wanting different things in the film. Much like what happened with 3 (Rami apparently isn't a fan of Venom.). Kinda funny though, Befor 3 i would have said if you needed a replacements for Toby and Kirsten, Topher Grace and Bryce Dallas Howard would have been perfect for the roles.
3 was dissapointing (but still enjoyable), they tried to do too much with too little time. If they had of spaced the story out a bit more, and maybe even spread it over two films to really build up the characters of Harry and Eddie(i would have loved to have seen a conflicted harry, being torn apart that his best friend was invoved in his fathers death, but his father had turned into some kind of monster. Peter getting the symbiot suite and loosing it at the end of the film. Have Black Cat as a sort of temptation to the darker side of life.)
I'll be curious to see what they manage here, and who gets attached to the project. Love it if they tried to get Brian Micheal Bendis to go over the script. His been doing the Teenage Peter Parker thing for near 10 years now.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I guess this means Spidey won't be joining the Avengers? That was my first thought anyway, as his addition might seem just a tad sudden.
The thing about starting over with Spider-man in highschool or whatever is that if they re-use things that happened later in the previous movies, it might seem confusing to some of the public.... Like, "oh, but he doesn't meet Gwen Stacy until the third movie when he's older!!"
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| JackSlack wrote: | | theory wrote: | | Oh, right. Just read the link from the OP. Cool. Got it. Thanks. |
Sorry, sorry. Wasn't trying to suggest you hadn't read it, simply wanted to add more info. |
I hadn't actually read it, so thanks for directing my attention to it! Cheers.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| lapzod wrote: | | This can't be any worse than the first 3 films. |
There was nothing wrong with 1 or 2. Yes, 3 was balls, but that doesn't retroactively make the others bad. That being said, I didn't have many hopes for 4.
But, on the other hand, this will apparently be another origin story. God damn they're boring. Plus we already know whats up with Spiderman. Do we need to watch Peter Parker get bit by a spider and learning how to to shoot webs and blah blah blah again? No, no we don't.
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Im just hoping now that they will go a bit darker similar to Batman, and less focused on special effects and more on character development and storyline.
They rebooted the Hulk twice within a short space of time and I think most would agree that the second one was a vast improvement, so lets hope this is no different.
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Apparently Sony wanted Raimi to film in 3D, something his crew had no experience with. Raimi walked because he couldn't meet their production schedule, as filming in 3D would take an extra six months.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Aussie XP wrote: | | Im just hoping now that they will go a bit darker similar to Batman, and less focused on special effects and more on character development and storyline. |
the rumours seem to indicate that Sony want the opposite - focussing on Peter at high-school, and making it more Twilight-ish.
so much so that Robert Pattison (Edward Cullen) has actually been mentioned seriously as a possible replacement for Peter Parker.
this, to me, is a major step backwards for comic book films, imo, and i hope these are nothing more than scaremongering and false talk based on the news of the cancellation of SM4.
i didn't mind SM3 to be honest.
it's pretty balls as a singular film, but it's not meant to be standalone, it's meant to round out the trilogy of films. it brings the Green Goblin/New Goblin story all together, and i guess therein lay the problem. that story is rather more subtle than the whole Venom/Sandman special effect extravaganza, and what we ended up with was a rather schizophrenic film - you could see the film Sam Raimi wanted (the Green Goblin story) and you could see the film Sony wanted (Venom - and the whole special effects over-the-toppedness), and it suffered because of the butting heads.
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | Robert Pattison (Edward Cullen) has actually been mentioned seriously as a possible replacement for Edward Cullen. |
*brain asplodes*
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| Aussie XP wrote: | | Im just hoping now that they will go a bit darker similar to Batman. |
I thought Spider Man 2 was a pitch prefect movie about Spider Man. It's a bit of a shame that this reboot is happening, I would have loved to see what Raimi was gonna do with the 4th one having learn from his mistakes in 3.
Having said that, should be interesting how this will turn out. It will get my money regardless as it has the words Spider man on the title.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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They killed Venom and did not do him justice.
I am happy this series has died. A reboot is good IMO.
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| FirstShowing.net wrote: | Marc Webb Might Take Over Sony's Spider-Man Franchise?
This could be awesome! In an update on the Spider-Man situation today, Nikki Finke reported that she's heard that 500 Days of Summer director Marc Webb is at the very top of Sony's short list of directors that they want for the Spider-Man reboot. This is all very likely, especially because he's already had meetings with Sony about another project, Moneyball, and I'm sure someone there really liked 500 Days of Summer. Finke says "Webb met about the Spidey reboot with the pic's producers and executives looking to get the picture into production later this year for a Summer 2012 release." So he's not officially on board just yet.
They also say that they're starting shooting so early because "it's likely to be shot in 3-D, and Sony Pictures plans to make an announcement about that 'at the appropriate time.'" Of course! But let's get back to Webb, since there's more on him. Sony likes Webb a lot because 500DOS showed that he had a "grasp of how to depict the way young people think and feel. This is critical because the Jamie Vanderbilt script covers the formative years of a high school-aged Peter Parker, and that POV is as important as the action sequences." Plus they like getting some "new blood" in to take over instead of delivering the same old with Raimi again.
And speaking of the cast, if they do get Webb, can we hope that he casts Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Peter Parker? Because that would be perfect! And then I think even Brandon would like the Spider-Man movies! We'll definitely keep you updated on this situation. And if Marc Webb does get the job, I may even be more excited than I was for Raimi to come back for Spider-Man 4. We'll let you know what happens - stay tuned! |
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| theory wrote: | | ObsoletE wrote: | | Robert Pattison (Edward Cullen) has actually been mentioned seriously as a possible replacement for Edward Cullen. |
*brain asplodes* |
the perils of trying to maintain sense while on hard painkillers...
should've been "Peter Parker", at the end of that sentence, obviously. 
| LeonJ wrote: | | They killed Venom and did not do him justice. |
agreed.
in some ways, it worked well having Venom, which Raimi was alledgedly forced into including, as it gave a reasonably feasible backdrop for the Harry/Peter story, (which did also need the Sandman cause/effect twist on the film's origin story, before the shouts of "too many villains!" start again)but he really should've used him and then kinda left him as a stepping stone to being the villain in film 4 (and beyond).
killing him off was the big problem with the film, and really was, i think, the biggest card the "too many villains!" crowd can claim.
I don't know that a reboot is strictly necessary thought. i mean even with losing the actor and the director, the first trilogy is now over, the next story can begin.
unfortunately, i think this was Sam Raimi's argument too, and it's Sony who want the reboot.
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I'm torn on this one. I loved the Spidey movies (even 3, just not as much as the first two), and as much as a 4th may have been good, I'm kinda happy Sam's stepped aside. Clearly, after Spidey 3, his differences with the character and the franchise as a whole compared to Sony's vision was starting to get in the way. He wanted one thing, they wanted another, hence why Venom didn't work. From what I've read, he wanted the Vulture but Sony wanted whatever character was selling more comics on news stands ... don't ask me who that is, I have no idea.
Anyway, the fact that they've rebooted is both a blessing and a curse. It isn't another origin story, I doubt they'll go through all that again (think the opening credits of The Incredible Hulk for an example of a reboot done right without messing too much with origins). The teen years are a better story angle anyway, no offence to the cast but they're getting on now, it just wouldn't be the same.
So kudos for Sam sticking to his guns, and to a degree, kudos to Sony for wiping the slate clean instead of replacing the director and pushing it out the door.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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^ Sony wanted Carnage - who is Venom's more evil offspring.
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