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| PixieGirl wrote: | | I doubt as many people know about underground internet things than people who can just type something into google and get results though... |
But that's where the illegal material is. Policing the web does nothing to stop it.
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Well I'm definately on your side after knowing that sites about Euthanasia, Porn, Video Games, Youtube, and Poker will be banned.  Yes this is really extreme and it sounds like the internet will now be run by a really strict christian or something..
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| PixieGirl wrote: | | Well I'm definately on your side after knowing that sites about Euthanasia, Porn, Video Games, Youtube, and Poker will be banned. Yes this is really extreme and it sounds like the internet will now be run by a really strict christian or something.. |
I'm not intending to offend you but people who hold your original views on this appear to be the majority. Furthermore so many misinformed parents will agree with the government with their "intentions" to block illegal content. It's only when sites that they use regularly are blocked that they will stand up & by that stage the Filter will undoubtedly be completely implemented.
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| PixieGirl wrote: | | Well I'm definately on your side after knowing that sites about Euthanasia, Porn, Video Games, Youtube, and Poker will be banned. Yes this is really extreme and it sounds like the internet will now be run by a really strict christian or something.. |
While they're certainly winning points with the Christian Right by doing this, I don't think this is what it's about. Like I said, it's about control.
Imagine that the government began doing something truly horrible. Do you think they'd hesitate to block Twitter to stop word spreading? Wouldn't need to be permanent. A short span of time would be enough.
In short, this is very frightening. Never, ever trust the government. And they've just made a huge power grab.
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| JackSlack wrote: | | lapzod wrote: | | you realise Australia doesn't have any right to free speech yeah? |
None explicitly, no. But it's been an accepted right for a very long time. It is also a basic human right defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Australian government is breaching a long line of legal tradition and arguably international law. |
That's a bit of a gray area, which I think is out of the scope of this thread. (and most of us not studying law)
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I better start learning Chinese then... We're pretty much there.
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| Tooki wrote: | | PixieGirl wrote: | | Well I'm definately on your side after knowing that sites about Euthanasia, Porn, Video Games, Youtube, and Poker will be banned. Yes this is really extreme and it sounds like the internet will now be run by a really strict christian or something.. |
I'm not intending to offend you but people who hold your original views on this appear to be the majority. Furthermore so many misinformed parents will agree with the government with their "intentions" to block illegal content. It's only when sites that they use regularly are blocked that they will stand up & by that stage the Filter will undoubtedly be completely implemented. |
No you didn't offend me  I am now informed  Yes it's a shame people will agree with this because they don't know the other details..
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This thread is getting unnecessary anti-Christian. This isn't about winning the points with the Christian. Even though politician themselves maybe, the voters ain't. They have the Democratic Christian Party.
From what I read, This is about providing a parent a way so that their kids are not exposed to the bad contents on the net. The government did at one stage provided an internet filter software for parents, there wasn't many that take it up and continued to then hassle the government for more internet control, which then the filter came into existence. It was the fact that "kids can access illicit information in a click of a button".
Our gov did it because there was a demand by big parent groups and they delivered.
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@JackSlack... the thing is, it's not specifically International Law, it's International something else (Treaties?) and they're more considered guidelines, they don't HAVE to be adhered to, though they're considered socially acceptable in most cases (unlike running around on rooftops... what?).
The Government here have just as much right to shut down the Internet as they do to force a man to remove a tattered Australian flag from the side of his building.
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I know. Doesn't make it right. And it's still enough to get me to start the process to emigrate to New Zealand.
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| JackSlack wrote: | | lapzod wrote: | | you realise Australia doesn't have any right to free speech yeah? |
None explicitly, no. But it's been an accepted right for a very long time. It is also a basic human right defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. |
Except Australia hasn't ratified that document as far as I'm aware. I know for a fact they haven't ratified the Declaration of Rights for a Child. If they ratify the 2nd one they can't hold refugees with children in those camps. Yay politics.
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Just remember, it's only legislation that hasn't been passed yet. We still have time to make noise on the matter before it goes to the vote. And we really should make noise about it.
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Gooberman, the opposition leader is Tony Abbott. Forget it. The legislation is a done deal.
And, with apologies to those feeling this thread is getting anti-Christian, the answer to the topic's question is: The Australian Christian Lobby.
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| Island_Wolf wrote: | | This thread is getting unnecessary anti-Christian. This isn't about winning the points with the Christian. Even though politician themselves maybe, the voters ain't. They have the Democratic Christian Party. |
I just want to point out that I wasn't being anti-christian I was just saying it was giving the impression it was run by a very stereotypically strict christian. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, it just fits to the beliefs, and it was just a comparison. x
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That's cool guys. It wasn't meant to sound that bad anyway  . Text communications aren't so great in trying to show the reader on the intended tone of the message
But it is also sad that people sometimes use their beliefs before the respected and popular views just because they have the power to (refering to JackSlack's url)... Still icks me all these things are "for the sake of the children" yet the children wouldn't be exposed to it if some particular person get their act together... Government is always sucking up to the families these days! no love young-adults? I want a laptop for uni dammit!
Edit - I am curious as to if public proxy server sites will get blocked too...
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This sn't going to stop anyone doing drugs/comitting a crime or even getting child porn. And what kid is going to stumble upon something lke that? And in theory, wouldn't eBay get banned?
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Would this mean that a video showing gameplay of AVP would be banned, as that was refused classification?
I am 100% against any compulsary internet filter, it is the parents responsability to control what their children are viewing, and if they are too lazy to 1) care 2) learn how to use the technology that their kids are using (which seems to be one of the main reasons) then i AN ADULT should not have to be told what i can and can't have access to.
the government are very stupid to think that ilegal activities like CP sharing will be stopped by blocking websites, the majority of this is done through p2p. and it does nothing to combat the grooming that takes place on msn and aim.
It sucks that the liberal party is in such a state right now because when australia becomes aware of just what the governments true intentions are we will have nobody to vote for. which is why i hate the 2 party system.
* sorry for the spelling mistakes, for some reason spell check is not working.
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yes it is really stupid as major SE's like googe, yahoo etc all moniter the content in their seaches. This is not going to effect/help much and considering the tax money going into this, it is ridiculus. If more people understood this wouldn't be happening. How easy is it to get around the problem? get a cheap vps and you are all set up.
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Well then, this will well and truely fuck up online gaming.
How many milliseconds per connection will it take to scan the packets being received, and the IPs involved?
If we say maybe 20 milliseconds, per packet, and take into account an online game, P2P or Dedicated in Australia, it won't matter, with all packets being scanned at the ISP level, we could expect huge increases in ping, the time it takes for information to arrive from one connection to another, the time in which our actions are received by the server, the time in which someone else runs around a corner and kills you before they are even shown on your screen.
I don't care as much about the blocking of content, it's a ridiculous feat to attempt, and the leaked list of blocked sites was full of things that are legal to view, that's bad, having the Government look after our kids so we don't have to is bad, and having added delays to our pings, that won't affect the average lowly web surfer and email reader, and as such won't be widely understood, is fucking awful.
Think about it realistically, a 50ms average ping increase in an online first person shooter is the difference between being able to play a game properly, and getting killed due to delays in you being able to see someone pop up and shoot you meaning you cannot respond, practically ruining the game you paid for.
A 50ms ping increase while browsing web pages or checking email? Practically unnoticeable.
The Average Australian will not even notice a difference once this is brought in, as far as connection speed, sure it might do downloads a hundred kbps slower, but eh, that's not that apparent, it will all blow over like nothing happened, and the government has done us all a favour by stopping sick perverts from harming our children.
Businesses and Gamers will be the ones to suffer, remote desktop connections and online gaming will be two of the more obvious ones to get problems from this.
I am fuming.
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| dimefan90 wrote: | | when australia becomes aware of just what the governments true intentions |
Which are what? I'm fairly certain that the Government's intention in implementing this is to protect children from abuse and get rid of access to RC/illegal content etc. Will it work? Of course it won't. That isn't to say that it isn't what the Government intended. It sounds like this thread is turning into a massive conspiracy theory vent.
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| dimefan90 wrote: | | Would this mean that a video showing gameplay of AVP would be banned, as that was refused classification? |
Potentially. I'd say unlikely but I honestly dont know. RC'd games are described specifically as those not suited for minors, and this internet censorship bullshit is supposed to fall under a similar banner; stopping minors from accessing content easy.
So, theoretically, the government would well be within it's legal right to block all websites relating to and showing footage of RC'd games. So, yes, they could block a website simply because it was showing a video of AVP.
Which is made worse by the fact that rather than block, say, an AVP channel on GameTrailers, they'd block the entire http. Hell, even PALGN would clasify if it ever hosted a trailer for an RC'd game.
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Goodbye my sweet 4chan 
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Is there anything we can actually do about this or just bend over and cop it???....
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| Till@ wrote: | | dimefan90 wrote: | | when australia becomes aware of just what the governments true intentions |
Which are what? I'm fairly certain that the Government's intention in implementing this is to protect children from abuse and get rid of access to RC/illegal content etc. Will it work? Of course it won't. That isn't to say that it isn't what the Government intended. It sounds like this thread is turning into a massive conspiracy theory vent. |
and you seriously think they won't be tempted to try and take down all the hate sites that will spawn when this goes ahead.
I can see them blocking facebook because there is a group called "kevin rudd is a dickhead"
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It's scary to think that people are making decisions about things they know nothing about.
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