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 Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: SA Attorney-General to appeal Modern Warfare 2 rating |
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| SA Attorney-General to appeal Modern Warfare 2 rating by Brendan |  | | PALGN News: He's not a big fan of the Classification Board. | | [View Article] |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Here, here. Let's hope he's busy rewriting guidelines so they can't be stretched. Maybe there will be progress coming out of this.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Oh dear god when will this nanny state bullshit end.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| PALGN wrote: | | Atkinson said that he did not know why it had not been released. |
Also unaware of his likeness to a giant douche.
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| Quote: | | At the cinema, we can stop people under 18 going in to see R18+ rated movies. We can’t stop these games that are extremely violent and depraved from getting into the home or getting into the hands of children. |
In the 5+ years since I turned 18, I think I've seen one, possibly two movies that have been rated R18+. At home, I've seen dozens. To say that ratings only 'work' with movies because we can apparently 'stop' kids from accessing them is ridiculous.
Every single one of his arguments is fundamentally flawed. They're either flat out wrong, based on misconceptions of the reality of video games, or actually supportive of introducing a new, more restrictive, rating category.
This interview doing the rounds at the moment, from Radio National, is a great summary of the stupidity of his argument against the R18+ 'movement.' He's still bringing up this example of Rapelay - the Japanese **** simulator - as if that's the sort of thing he is protecting the children of Australia against. He seems to be arguing the idea that introducing an R18+ category would negate and RC (refused classification) category that is currently at the 'top' of the ratings system. There is absolutely no way that Rapelay would get a rating in Australia, even if we had an R18+ category, just as it hasn't been rated in any other country around the world that does have an equivalent to the R18+ category.
Mr Atkinson has said himself that he isn't representing his electorate on this issue as they don't care. The fact that he is the only proponent of his side of the argument in all of this mess shows that he isn't representing any greater constituency of his state or the country. He's just another egotistical politician directly forcing his vision of the world upon those whom he has only indirect power.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Get fucked, what sort of reasoning is this:
"What I want the Classification Board to do is to apply the guidelines properly. What I don’t want is the extremely violent, sexually depraved, drug use games in Australia at all. At the cinema, we can stop people under 18 going in to see R18+ rated movies. We can’t stop these games that are extremely violent and depraved from getting into the home or getting into the hands of children."
Because as we know, the only way to see an R18+ movie is at the cinema.
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In a nutshell, he wants MW2 banned. Congrats Michael! You may have just given me incentive enough to buy the game!
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So give us the classifications we need to realign us with the rest of the world. and
By making R 18+ games Photo Id only, just like they do with tobacco or acohol, it's not rocket science, just common sense.
Why should mature adults miss out on their right to play unedited and correctly classified games...?
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I don't understand how a man that has made a statement saying that he has better things to do with his time than deal with a 18+ rating for games can spend so much time monitoring games and making comments on them.
There is little to no control (or knowledge) on how to use the parent lock out features on DVD/Blueray (due to the different makes/models of players) but it is well documented in the console guides and online about how to lock down game consoles. This man just doesn't make sense anymore. He doesn't even understand the media he is talking about, and even scarier, in control of.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. I have a feeling he will be going the way of Jack Thompson before too long.
| Spanca wrote: | | Every single one of his arguments is fundamentally flawed. They're either flat out wrong, based on misconceptions of the reality of video games, or actually supportive of introducing a new, more restrictive, rating category. |
You're exactly right. It's just like the outrage over "sex scenes" in Mass Effect. Uninformed morality police bitching and moaning about things which they don't understand, based solely on the complaints of a vocal minority. Michael Atkinson has no right to comment until he has actually played MW2.
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I'm insulted by the continued comments about sexually depraved games coming if we have an R rating. The R rating doesn't allow that. Even R rated sex movies are rather tame and hardly depraved. The sorts of (Japanese and other) games he's talking about would never pass in Australia under an R rating, and possibly not even an X rating.
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If there was an R18+ rating, I think MW2 should definitely be sold at that rating, along with Fallout 3, etc. Way to go Atkinson, you're letting kids buy games meant for adults...
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| Mr Waffle wrote: | | If there was an R18+ rating, I think MW2 should definitely be sold at that rating, along with Fallout 3, etc. Way to go Atkinson, you're letting kids buy games meant for adults... |
Spot On 
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Yes damn all that sexually depraved activity in mw2!
Man, the classification board should rate Michael Atkinson RC and ban him from the country.
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| Quote: | | We can’t stop these games that are extremely violent and depraved from getting into the home or getting into the hands of children |
This guy keeps stressing this point, its exactly the same as owning R18 movies or even X rated ones, you don't let your kids watch em, simple as that.
Until the age of 18 they are 9 times out of 10 gonna be staying at home if you are a good parent 
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When you look at track records in game censorship, Michael Atkinson make Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao look like a bunch of liberal hippies.
Check for yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games
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He's right of course. There's no way 50% of the games that receive an R18+ rating should pass under the current guidelines.
I really don't understand why Atkinson continues to oppose the R18+ rating. It's an easy way to solve this issue. The reason games get inappropriately pushed into the MA15+ rating is because we lack anything higher.
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I think we need to all take a step back from his sensationalising comments and realise that Atkinson isn't democratic at all. Not even one iota. He was voted in to represent the people. Put forward ideas that the public that voted him in believed in. Yet instead he is pushing his personal agenda and ignoring that of the public. He is in fact dictating what is right and wrong.
I feel to fight Atkinson we (the gaming public) need to take the higher road and not make this an issue about games, but make it an issue about civil liberties and his political role.
In short, He is not doing the job he was voted in to do. He is not representing the people, he is representing himself.
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The thing about the removal of Jack Thompson is people were worried that someone with a little more authority would take over his mantle of retardedness. Well, it's happened outside the USA, so congratulations, Australia, you have finally got that man.
Even with some of our retarded laws, we still have a 18 rating here in the UK.
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Well everyone knew he was a dumbass when the problem first appeared.
There were plenty of people saying introduce an R18 rating so that games like MW2 and L4D2 dont get squeezed into an MA15 rating.
He didn't listen and thats what happened.
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| PALGN wrote: | | At the cinema, we can stop people under 18 going in to see R18+ rated movies. We can’t stop these games that are extremely violent and depraved from getting into the home or getting into the hands of children." |
He's talking about a public viewing. If Modern Warfare was playable in JB Hifi then yes, I would disagree because ANYONE can play it. But if your going to match up public viewings (in store demonstrations, movies, all ages concerts) with private viewings (dvds, games, cds) your gripping for anything and hastily making a remark without evidence.
And on the MW2 issue (which I agree should have received a R18, it's a bit late. All the 'vulnerable children' already have it.
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| James wrote: | | I really don't understand why Atkinson continues to oppose the R18+ rating. It's an easy way to solve this issue. The reason games get inappropriately pushed into the MA15+ rating is because we lack anything higher. |
Yeah, nearly everything he says is backing up the argument to have an r18+ rating yet he's the reason there isn't one. He just wants to see all violent games banned in Australia because he has some strange vendetta against the video games industry for some reason.
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Get rid of Blades
Alcohol
TV
Movies
Cartoons
Because they can all get into the hands of children
( And MW2 wasnt extremely violent , Sex or Drugs
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he's just pissed because the PC version doesn't have dedicated server and he's trying to get back at IW because he's sick of getting pwned by n00bs.
but seriously, nothing that this guy says surprises me anymore. it's officially impossible for me to hate him more than i already do. i hear he farted once 20 years ago and he spent the next year praying for the lords forgiveness.
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It won't get banned. It's too big and 70% of the people who want it will already have it anyway. No big loss even if it did, multiplayer is too laggy to enjoy.
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