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| RanerX wrote: | | Charly wrote: | | Nietzsche wrote: | | Charly, I don't think they take into account the maturity of gamers. |
Exactly my point. And why would they when a large number of the proponents for an R18+ rating are calling them 'pussyz' and other such vulgarities. |
Because we all know thats the real reason..spelling and comments  |
I wasn't commenting on the spelling, just using the exact comment as an example.
And of course the immature comments are not the reason for the lack of R18+ classification rating, but they sure as hell are not helping.
So I eye roll back at you, Sir. Heh.
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Yeah, if you think that grammar was the only thing wrong with that guys post, I think you've completely missed the point...
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****Unfortunately that is not the case. A couple of years ago I somehow ended up on a list, so now every package that leaves the country, or enters the country to/from my address is checked. ****
Yeah, you got busted. I never have. Nor have most people. Sucks for you man, what were you trying to import, heroine?
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I think the problem has little to do with the attitudes/comments/vernacular of gamers and moreso with the fact that the introduction of an R18+ rating is not, in any way, a democratic process. It's one old man refusing to budge regardless of what evidence is presented to him.
That's why I've got it on pre-order from CDWOW.
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| GooberMan wrote: | | Slashee the Cow wrote: | | IIRC Steam already uses regional lockouts to prevent you from buying games cheap from Asia, I'd have to presume they'd do something similar here. |
Also, as people travelling abroad have noticed, content lockout is based on IP address with Steam - hence my comment in the other thread about chipping in for a shell account in the states to tunnell all Steam traffic through. |
additionally, it uses your IP to enforce the content lock. A German colleague I work with is able to play L4D1 in full violence mode while he's in AU, but when he goes home, the content lock is automatically enabled - i can only imagine this will be the same for L4D2.
theoretically though, this means if you have some permanent proxy solution, you'll be apples.
| MikeZombie777 wrote: | | what were you trying to import, heroine? |
I tried to import Princess Peach.
got past Customs fine, but then some fat Italian jumped on me and put my back out.
he also ate the cake she'd just finished baking.
bastard.
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| Charly wrote: | | Exactly my point. And why would they when a large number of the proponents for an R18+ rating are calling them 'pussyz' and other such vulgarities. |
Sorry to play devils advocate but isn't that sort of the point? Freedom of speech and freedom of expression is supposed to be the the central theme, not 'teh took mah gamez'.
I personally wouldn't use the word 'pussyz' simply because there are way more descriptive words to define the likes of Atkinson: communist, fascist, Orwellian, and of course with that famous Hitler quote, you could call him a Censorship Nazi.
Im sorry but we have been too nice about this for way too long. Got to start going "please may I have my games" to actually demanding in a loud voice "shove your censorship up your f*** a**" (I just got censored didnt I?).
The likes of Atkinson will say 'nobody died by not having video games' but one thing he has forgotten (either intentionally or he's just not very well educated, Im guessing a little from both) but many people have fought and died in the name of free speech and freedom of expression and history recognises those figures as heroes while the oppressors history judges as tyrants.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ObsoletE wrote: | additionally, it uses your IP to enforce the content lock. A German colleague I work with is able to play L4D1 in full violence mode while he's in AU, but when he goes home, the content lock is automatically enabled - i can only imagine this will be the same for L4D2.
theoretically though, this means if you have some permanent proxy solution, you'll be apples. |
I must congratulate you, good sir. You summarised my post with more words than I used.
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | GooberMan wrote: | | Slashee the Cow wrote: | | IIRC Steam already uses regional lockouts to prevent you from buying games cheap from Asia, I'd have to presume they'd do something similar here. |
Also, as people travelling abroad have noticed, content lockout is based on IP address with Steam - hence my comment in the other thread about chipping in for a shell account in the states to tunnell all Steam traffic through. |
additionally, it uses your IP to enforce the content lock. A German colleague I work with is able to play L4D1 in full violence mode while he's in AU, but when he goes home, the content lock is automatically enabled - i can only imagine this will be the same for L4D2.
theoretically though, this means if you have some permanent proxy solution, you'll be apples.
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Apart from the horrible issues with ping.
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| GooberMan wrote: | | ObsoletE wrote: | additionally, it uses your IP to enforce the content lock. A German colleague I work with is able to play L4D1 in full violence mode while he's in AU, but when he goes home, the content lock is automatically enabled - i can only imagine this will be the same for L4D2.
theoretically though, this means if you have some permanent proxy solution, you'll be apples. |
I must congratulate you, good sir. You summarised my post with more words than I used. |
i somehow missed the first line of your post - in fact it seems i started reading your post, then simply made up in my own mind what it was you actually said. my apologies old bean. i can only blame me being put off by throwing stuff around in the kitchen earlier. 
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| MikeZombie777 wrote: | | This backwards ass country needs a good kick up the bum. |
Yep it sure does and im importing mine from NewZealand I hope it works on my 360.
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Funny but inaccurate. There's no way that all that profanity would have made it past our draconian ratings system.
I find it downright insane that our system can allow one selfish man can legally impose / dictate his personal belief / vendetta on an entire nation, thereby singlehandedly robbing it of a basic human right. What the he'll is wrong with our democracy?
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| Jaws wrote: | | What the he'll is wrong with our democracy? |
Our democracy is fine, it's just that people don't bother reading the 'fine print' attached to elected officials anymore.
If they can't get what they need from an interactive worm, or a three second sound bite in the news,they just don't bother.
The devil is in the detail (or in this case, the SA Attorney General's office).
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Good friend and next door neighbour is a senior customs guy. Trust me they will enforce it if the government mandates it.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| renegadesx wrote: | | Charly wrote: | | Exactly my point. And why would they when a large number of the proponents for an R18+ rating are calling them 'pussyz' and other such vulgarities. |
Sorry to play devils advocate but isn't that sort of the point? Freedom of speech and freedom of expression is supposed to be the the central theme, not 'teh took mah gamez'.
I personally wouldn't use the word 'pussyz' simply because there are way more descriptive words to define the likes of Atkinson: communist, fascist, Orwellian, and of course with that famous Hitler quote, you could call him a Censorship Nazi.
Im sorry but we have been too nice about this for way too long. Got to start going "please may I have my games" to actually demanding in a loud voice "shove your censorship up your f*** a**" (I just got censored didnt I?).
The likes of Atkinson will say 'nobody died by not having video games' but one thing he has forgotten (either intentionally or he's just not very well educated, Im guessing a little from both) but many people have fought and died in the name of free speech and freedom of expression and history recognises those figures as heroes while the oppressors history judges as tyrants. |
I was under the impression, Australia has no such right (EDIT: Freedom of Speech). The government, under the constitution, has the right to restrict its people in this way. And unfortunately, they are choosing to do so.
I honestly don't understand how acting immature and naming calling will effect change. Sure the fighters for a R18+ rating must be assertive and passionate, but this need not equate to abusive and vulgar language. I feel acting this way just helps our opposers', in their mind, validate their stance.
I do think this is a 'teh took mah gamez' fight at the moment. While freedom of speech and freedom of expression may be the core of the injustice for some, to me it more so seems like people getting riled up when a game they want is refused classification. Sure it is natural, but all feels purely reactionary on the most part. Once those people have imported their game and happilly decapitating away, their voice disappears.
I apologise is I have missed the point of your post.
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| MikeZombie777 wrote: | | Yeah, you got busted. I never have. Nor have most people. Sucks for you man, what were you trying to import, heroine? |
Nothing banned, just every thing that comes through is opened and checked.
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I have been in a favour of an R-18 classification before I was 18. It's just in this case I really like L4D. To be honest I would be happy if they banned Modern Warfare 2 so all gamers rise up and something would happen, but I know in democracy the only change that happens is time and sooner or later we will get a classification system that allows all games to be brought.
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If anyone has been keeping up with the good mr atkinson, his much vaunted bikie laws got thrown out in court, which was his main platform for the last few years, it may cause some disharmony in his seat with any luck......sorry SA people that have to put up with bikies, but the man is obviously incompotent if he can't make his own laws stick.
And while the intermission is on, you can peruse my last email to Mr Atkinson, yes i tried normal emails on 2 occasions before this one.
| fetid wrote: | Just writing another email as I was promised a response from the first one I sent about a year ago and never recieved a reply.
Anyway my last letter was pertaining to the lack of democratic process shown by Mr Atkinson in regards to his refusal to allow an R+18 rating for video games in this country, with this in mind I am wondering if Mr Atkinison would like to adopt me and be my new father, as I am in need of guidance on quite a number of issues, with not the least of which being that I need Mr Atkinson in my life so that when my fragile mind is corrupted by video games that he can be there to stop me from harming myself, or those around me as my blood lust rages, as induced by my games console and the obvious demons that are contained within.
Perhaps a policy of an excorcist on standby in all major cities to do battle with these spirits could be an option in the future and may have the added benefit of helping Myself and the good Attorney General into the pearly gates when rapture comes. Although I have heard that St Peter will also accept a box of cubans.
Other issues that i may also require help with range from tying my shoe laces to going to potty.....I especially need help in the potty department as i have found it difficult in the past to avoid killing people that lye between meand my goal of toilet domination.
With regards to tying my shoe laces I have found that I have trouble with the double knot technique and was wondering if Dad, can I call you that, or pops perhaps, there could be some sort of legislature introduced with regard to making the single knot illegal in this country for the sake of the children. (The single knot technique has been linked to brain tumours and 90% of people studied, also played violent video games)
I eagerly await the start of the adoption process so we can high five each other after roller skating in the park or you can rub my head and call me a little scamp.
Anyway got to run, and I am pretty sure you another group of society that you have to prejudice against before the day is out.
P.S i think we can get those bikie laws back on track pop.
P.P.S see what viddya games do to us, they make us beligerent toward your all powerful and knowing self, i shall immediately lash myself 6 times whilst facing Croydon
P.P.P.S I hope the P.A about to disregard this email to the recycle bin at least got a laugh.
Keep stomping the word democracy dad, it's a fight that needs to be won |
which i think you'll find roughly translates as "pussyz"
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What about importing from NZ?
I imported Dark Sector a while back. Got it cheap too.
Does anyone know if NZ will get an edited version like they did GTA IV, even though it passed with an R18+ ?
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| NZ OFLC wrote: | Title: Left 4 Dead 2
Other Known Titles: Not Stated
Publication No: 0901352.000
Medium: Console Game
Submission Channel: Section 12(1) - Labelling Body
Language: English
Country: United States
ISBN: -
Related Publications:
Related Publications:
0901352.001
Current Decision: R18
Classification Body: Office of Film and Literature Classification (1994 - )
Current Decision: R18
Classification Body: Office of Film and Literature Classification (1994 - )
Full Classification: Objectionable except if the availability of the publication is restricted to persons who have attained the age of 18 years.
Descriptive Note: Graphic violence
Display Conditions: No
Excisions: No Excisions Recommended
Running Time: At Submission: Not Applicable
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That doesn't really say much, but it sort of sounds like they rated the uncut version
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| Charly wrote: | | While freedom of speech and freedom of expression may be the core of the injustice for some, to me it more so seems like people getting riled up when a game they want is refused classification. Sure it is natural, but all feels purely reactionary on the most part. Once those people have imported their game and happilly decapitating away, their voice disappears. |
I'll use this as a basis.
While we have everyone's voices ready to be used on a subject that they care about, we should use them. But not in the way that's currently being done.
Here's a real life situation you can try out, at least if you live in Queensland. Go to a book store. Ask if you can buy a copy of Bret Easton Ellis' American Psycho. You will be told no as that store is not allowed to sell it. Why, you might ask? The book is rated R. It's not illegal to own or read a copy in Queensland. What is illegal though is selling it in Queensland.
This is a very important point. Here we have material that is classified at a federal level. It's the state-level laws that define whether it's allowed to be sold.
When you know this, Mr Atkinson's arguments that he's protecting material from minors becomes quickly irrelevant. Classifying it at the federal level is a high level issue that defines who is allowed to experience the material. Rating something MA15+ protects people under 15 just as much as rating something R18+ protects people under 18. Actually selling the material is a state level problem, and if minors obtaining the material is really Atkinson's main issue then perhaps he's at the wrong level of government and should run for a state office.
Enough of this screwing around with freedom of speech (it doesn't exist in Australia and isn't protected by law or constitution - sorry for those who didn't want a reality check) and let's get to the real issues.
I'd love to make this known to Mr Atkinson but I realise email is completely pointless. Let's get this message across. Someone give me some suggestions.
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it has made me cringe for years the freedom of speech thing,
metal head over here, from the 80's, from queensland, i am soooooooooo goddamn sick of censorship let me assure you.....
i had to endure the joh years, the banning of anything that said bum in it, the being called a suicidal bloody satan worshipper for listening to a gay man in leather sing on his harley, crazy, i thought we had almost got to the end of the magical rainbow at one stage, but really we are about to go through the same damn cycle again.
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I think its absolutely unbelievable that in this country we have to be subjected to the f***** ridiculous ideals of one man who is too blind and stupid to realise how pointless it is not having an R rating. We have R rated movies, so can somebody explain to me what in frackin hell is the difference between that and games.
If its 18+ then only adults can buy it!! If parents are buying 18+ games for their children then thats their failure as a parent, that doesn't mean that the other massive majority of gamers who are mature shouldnt be able to have complete freedom of choice as is the same with other forms of media..
argh I better stop before I crush my mouse in my hands...I just wish there was something more we could do about it instead of just petitions.
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| Fetidchimp wrote: | | being called a suicidal bloody satan worshipper for listening to a gay man in leather sing on his harley, |
That would not be Judas Priest your hinting at would it?
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